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Which Candidate Do You Support?

Ted Cruz
20
3%
Marco Rubio
65
11%
Rand Paul
98
17%
Ben Carson
53
9%
Carly Fiorina
18
3%
Jeb Bush
31
5%
Chris Christie
9
2%
John Kasich
42
7%
Donald Trump
151
26%
Someone else
92
16%
 
Total votes : 579

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:14 pm

Now Trump's threatening a third party run because other Republicans are calling out his bullshit. My God, this guy's a pain...

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:18 pm

Arlenton wrote:Now Trump's threatening a third party run because other Republicans are calling out his bullshit. My God, this guy's a pain...


He knows that he runs as a third party candidate that Hillary will win, or any Democrat for that matter. If he decides to do so, it will just be another blow to the Republicans and their crippling demise that is slowly consuming them.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:19 pm

Arlenton wrote:Now Trump's threatening a third party run because other Republicans are calling out his bullshit. My God, this guy's a pain...

It's gotten to the point where I can no longer vote for him in the unlikely scenario that he becomes the nominee.
If 2016 becomes Trump vs. Clinton, then there is no lesser evil to choose from.
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Postby Exelia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:21 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Now Trump's threatening a third party run because other Republicans are calling out his bullshit. My God, this guy's a pain...

It's gotten to the point where I can no longer vote for him in the unlikely scenario that he becomes the nominee.
If 2016 becomes Trump vs. Clinton, then there is no lesser evil to choose from.

Not sure of when he was ever the lesser evil.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Now Trump's threatening a third party run because other Republicans are calling out his bullshit. My God, this guy's a pain...

It's gotten to the point where I can no longer vote for him in the unlikely scenario that he becomes the nominee.
If 2016 becomes Trump vs. Clinton, then there is no lesser evil to choose from.

If you're like me, a Republican who dislikes Trump, don't punish down ballot GOP candidates because of Trump's shenanigans. We need every vote we can get in these senate races.

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Postby Exelia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:34 pm

I noticed something. Pretty sure it's groundbreaking.

Hitler had an iconic hairstyle, so much that we cannot differentiate the Hitler stache from him. Trump has an iconic hairstyle, so much so we cannot differentiate the Trump toupee from him.
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Postby Dahon » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:41 pm

I just watched the news and it's all filled with Trump bitching about Muslim immigrants, like what the fuck? A fucking ban just because of two idiots, and one an immigrant from Pakistan? I'm sorry, I didn't fucking notice every single Muslim was a potential terrorist, and by all means the United fucking States should stay the fuck away.

Exelia wrote:I noticed something. Pretty sure it's groundbreaking.

Hitler had an iconic hairstyle, so much that we cannot differentiate the Hitler stache from him. Trump has an iconic hairstyle, so much so we cannot differentiate the Trump toupee from him.


Go on. Do. Please do.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:44 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's gotten to the point where I can no longer vote for him in the unlikely scenario that he becomes the nominee.
If 2016 becomes Trump vs. Clinton, then there is no lesser evil to choose from.

If you're like me, a Republican who dislikes Trump, don't punish down ballot GOP candidates because of Trump's shenanigans. We need every vote we can get in these senate races.


No. If people want to vote for a stupid clown let them.

If the Republican party loses votes because of these idiots, then maybe it will be time to reconsider your candidates' rhetoric. The GOP has gone off the handle for the last several years. I personally want to see Trump's supporters lose, and lose bad, because they are what is wrong with the party.

And in case you are wondering, every election cycle I hope a sensible Republican gets in the ballots. I am frustrated as shit the last candidates are a bunch of idiots.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:49 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Arlenton wrote:If you're like me, a Republican who dislikes Trump, don't punish down ballot GOP candidates because of Trump's shenanigans. We need every vote we can get in these senate races.


No. If people want to vote for a stupid clown let them.

If the Republican party loses votes because of these idiots, then maybe it will be time to reconsider your candidates' rhetoric.

That's just it, we will lose voters because Trump is at the top of the ticket, and that would in turn lose votes for congressional GOP candidates who don't have anything to do with Trump. What I said was to consider these down ballot GOP candidates if you are a Republican who is not going to vote fro Trump. If Trump's the nominee the White House is a guaranteed loss but at least we can hold on to as many House and Senate seats as possible.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:51 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
No. If people want to vote for a stupid clown let them.

If the Republican party loses votes because of these idiots, then maybe it will be time to reconsider your candidates' rhetoric.

That's just it, we will lose voters because Trump is at the top of the ticket, and that would in turn lose votes for congressional GOP candidates who don't have anything to do with Trump. What I said was to consider these down ballot GOP candidates if you are a Republican who is not going to vote fro Trump. If Trump's the nominee the White House is a guaranteed loss but at least we can hold on to as many House and Senate seats as possible.


Aren't Congressional votes decided differently from Presidential votes in a general election? Or does the state's electoral college votes go tied into the congressional votes?
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:00 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Arlenton wrote:That's just it, we will lose voters because Trump is at the top of the ticket, and that would in turn lose votes for congressional GOP candidates who don't have anything to do with Trump. What I said was to consider these down ballot GOP candidates if you are a Republican who is not going to vote fro Trump. If Trump's the nominee the White House is a guaranteed loss but at least we can hold on to as many House and Senate seats as possible.


Aren't Congressional votes decided differently from Presidential votes in a general election? Or does the state's electoral college votes go tied into the congressional votes?

Generally speaking, a ballot is like this. I'll show mine.
PRESIDENT & VICE PRESIDENT
Hillary Clinton/whoever DEMOCRAT O
Donald Trump/whoever REPUBLICAN O

SENATOR
Tammy Duckworth DEMOCRAT O
Mark Kirk (Incumbent) REPUBLICAN O


You vote for President/VP, Senator, and House Representative at the same time. Since many Republicans don't like Trump they likely will not even consider voting at all, which would harm Republican Mark Kirk, who is an establishment Republican and has nothing to do with Trump. What I am advising for anti-Trump Republicans is to consider the down ballot GOP candidates, such as Mark Kirk, and to go vote for them.

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Postby Exelia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:07 pm

Arlenton wrote:
You vote for President/VP, Senator, and House Representative at the same time. Since many Republicans don't like Trump they likely will not even consider voting at all, which would harm Republican Mark Kirk, who is an establishment Republican and has nothing to do with Trump. What I am advising for anti-Trump Republicans is to consider the down ballot GOP candidates, such as Mark Kirk, and to go vote for them.

That said though, don't vote for Mark Kirk.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:08 pm

Exelia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:
You vote for President/VP, Senator, and House Representative at the same time. Since many Republicans don't like Trump they likely will not even consider voting at all, which would harm Republican Mark Kirk, who is an establishment Republican and has nothing to do with Trump. What I am advising for anti-Trump Republicans is to consider the down ballot GOP candidates, such as Mark Kirk, and to go vote for them.

That said though, don't vote for Mark Kirk.

Too bad.

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Postby Exelia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:09 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Exelia wrote:That said though, don't vote for Mark Kirk.

Too bad.

I actually share the same ballot as you, so why don't you tell me why you vote for him?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:10 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Aren't Congressional votes decided differently from Presidential votes in a general election? Or does the state's electoral college votes go tied into the congressional votes?

Generally speaking, a ballot is like this. I'll show mine.
PRESIDENT & VICE PRESIDENT
Hillary Clinton/whoever DEMOCRAT O
Donald Trump/whoever REPUBLICAN O

SENATOR
Tammy Duckworth DEMOCRAT O
Mark Kirk (Incumbent) REPUBLICAN O


You vote for President/VP, Senator, and House Representative at the same time. Since many Republicans don't like Trump they likely will not even consider voting at all, which would harm Republican Mark Kirk, who is an establishment Republican and has nothing to do with Trump. What I am advising for anti-Trump Republicans is to consider the down ballot GOP candidates, such as Mark Kirk, and to go vote for them.


I'll check my congressmen and senator's platforms and vote for them if their agendas are sound. Perhaps in the lower chambers there are some sane Republican candidates I can vote on.

Honestly, I wish I could vote Republican, but with the erratic policies of Trump and every other candidate going down the hole with him for votes makes me increasingly skeptical there are any candidates that are not trying to out-trump the Donald.

EDIT: Apparently Texas Congressional District 33 is uncontested so far with Marc Veasey being our representative.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:12 pm

Exelia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Too bad.

I actually share the same ballot as you, so why don't you tell me why you vote for him?

I align more with this than this.

And to keep a Senate majority.

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Postby Exelia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:14 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Exelia wrote:I actually share the same ballot as you, so why don't you tell me why you vote for him?

I align more with this than this.

And to keep a Senate majority.

What specifically? Of course we're both going to vote on partisan lines anyways it seems.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Generally speaking, a ballot is like this. I'll show mine.
PRESIDENT & VICE PRESIDENT
Hillary Clinton/whoever DEMOCRAT O
Donald Trump/whoever REPUBLICAN O

SENATOR
Tammy Duckworth DEMOCRAT O
Mark Kirk (Incumbent) REPUBLICAN O


You vote for President/VP, Senator, and House Representative at the same time. Since many Republicans don't like Trump they likely will not even consider voting at all, which would harm Republican Mark Kirk, who is an establishment Republican and has nothing to do with Trump. What I am advising for anti-Trump Republicans is to consider the down ballot GOP candidates, such as Mark Kirk, and to go vote for them.


I'll check my congressmen and senator's platforms and vote for them if their agendas are sound. Perhaps in the lower chambers there are some sane Republican candidates I can vote on.

Honestly, I wish I could vote Republican, but with the erratic policies of Trump and every other candidate going down the hole with him for votes makes me increasingly skeptical there are any candidates that are not trying to out-trump the Donald.

EDIT: Apparently Texas Congressional District 33 is uncontested so far with Marc Veasey being our representative.

A very large number of candidates (Pataki, Bush, Kasich, Graham, Rubio, etc.) are lashing against Trump for his policies and blatant bigotry. The GOP hasn't begun goose-stepping just yet.
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Postby Exelia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:17 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I'll check my congressmen and senator's platforms and vote for them if their agendas are sound. Perhaps in the lower chambers there are some sane Republican candidates I can vote on.

Honestly, I wish I could vote Republican, but with the erratic policies of Trump and every other candidate going down the hole with him for votes makes me increasingly skeptical there are any candidates that are not trying to out-trump the Donald.

EDIT: Apparently Texas Congressional District 33 is uncontested so far with Marc Veasey being our representative.

A very large number of candidates (Pataki, Bush, Kasich, Graham, Rubio, etc.) are lashing against Trump for his policies and blatant bigotry. The GOP hasn't begun goose-stepping just yet.

They have, however, proven a third of their party membership would be willing to support fascism when the chips are on the table.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:19 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Generally speaking, a ballot is like this. I'll show mine.
PRESIDENT & VICE PRESIDENT
Hillary Clinton/whoever DEMOCRAT O
Donald Trump/whoever REPUBLICAN O

SENATOR
Tammy Duckworth DEMOCRAT O
Mark Kirk (Incumbent) REPUBLICAN O


You vote for President/VP, Senator, and House Representative at the same time. Since many Republicans don't like Trump they likely will not even consider voting at all, which would harm Republican Mark Kirk, who is an establishment Republican and has nothing to do with Trump. What I am advising for anti-Trump Republicans is to consider the down ballot GOP candidates, such as Mark Kirk, and to go vote for them.


I'll check my congressmen and senator's platforms and vote for them if their agendas are sound. Perhaps in the lower chambers there are some sane Republican candidates I can vote on.

Honestly, I wish I could vote Republican, but with the erratic policies of Trump and every other candidate going down the hole with him for votes makes me increasingly skeptical there are any candidates that are not trying to out-trump the Donald.

If you wan't to vote for a Republican, I would suggest my preferred Presidential candidate, who, has called out Trump many times and unfortunately suffered for it, along with Kasich or Christie. But if you don't line up with them too well either you can always check your down ballot candidates to see if there are any Republicans you would consider. If not there are plenty of Democrats and whoever else. And if a Trump type scenario were to ever happen to the Democrats, just remember the down ballot Democrats.

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Postby Valaran » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:21 pm

Arlenton wrote:If you wan't to vote for a Republican, I would suggest my preferred Presidential candidate, who, has called out Trump many times and unfortunately suffered for it, along with Kasich or Christie.


I'm not Republican (or even American), but since this is a GOP primary thread, I consider those decent choices. Probably.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:22 pm

Exelia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:A very large number of candidates (Pataki, Bush, Kasich, Graham, Rubio, etc.) are lashing against Trump for his policies and blatant bigotry. The GOP hasn't begun goose-stepping just yet.

They have, however, proven a third of their party membership would be willing to support fascism when the chips are on the table.

Additionally a third of Democrats are willing to support socialism if given the opportunity.
2/3 of both parties choose to remain moderate per their established platform.
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Postby Lost heros » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Exelia wrote:They have, however, proven a third of their party membership would be willing to support fascism when the chips are on the table.

Additionally a third of Democrats are willing to support socialism if given the opportunity.
2/3 of both parties choose to remain moderate per their established platform.

I don't think Cruz and Carson are really moderates. Maybe not as extreme as Trump, but still not moderates.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Additionally a third of Democrats are willing to support socialism if given the opportunity.
2/3 of both parties choose to remain moderate per their established platform.

Don't you mean 100% of Democrats?

I mean, from the way talk has been going on we've had near seven years of socialism by now.
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Postby Valaran » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Exelia wrote:They have, however, proven a third of their party membership would be willing to support fascism when the chips are on the table.

Additionally a third of Democrats are willing to support socialism if given the opportunity.
2/3 of both parties choose to remain moderate per their established platform.



Would you equate fascism with socialism? What would communism (any form of it) equate to then?
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