[US Election 2016] Republican Primary Megathread

[Galloism]

Not all economic growth is equal. Some of the results of that growth include jobs moving out of certain places and to others. A lot of the growth has been comprised of low-wage jobs, as well. Still other jobs require knowledge, skills, and a degree that aren't easily accessible. Especially for those who lost their factory jobs.

So rase the minimum wage for large companies and reduce the cost of a university education.

COMMUNISM!

[Hakons]

So rase the minimum wage for large companies and reduce the cost of a university education.

COMMUNISM!

See political compass in my sig

[Wallenburg]

COMMUNISM!

See political compass in my sig

Gallo's being sarcastic.

[Galloism]

See political compass in my sig

Gallo's being sarcastic.

Sadly, that apparently wasn't obvious.

[Hakons]

See political compass in my sig

Gallo's being sarcastic.

Oh, I know, but he isn't far off of what people in my local area think of me. I live in Indiana. The place with Republican supermajorities. Our governer is the ever so smart Mike Pence, the guy that made it legal to deny LGBTs service ('Religious' Restoration Act). The guy that denied the Syrian Refugees, even when the state government has no authority to do so. He even sis trying to stop a Catholic charity organization from brining in a refugee family.

Indiana - too conservative for Catholics

Plz help

[The Black Forrest]

In other words, he helped cause it. Bush could have regulated and he could have funded the roads and schools we needed. That way we wouldn't have been in such a mess. The "handouts to the rich", just so you know, are the Bush Tax Cuts and subsidies to oil companies.

Those tax cuts were applied to all Americans, not just "the rich". It's funny how that fact is conveniently forgotten. Although the roads and education should be handled by the states, Bush did support the No Child Left Behind Act and put more funding into schools; this was carried out by Democrats as much as Republicans.

Nobody said the tax cuts weren't applied to everybody. The argument is the fact the largest cut went to those that really don't need it. The local paper had a chart for the cuts. It showed a slow steady growth until about the 300K range (if i remember right) then it took off like a rocket.

I make a decent living. Enough to own a house. I think my gift from the shrub was a couple thousand.

Then there was his moronic refund of a couple hundred dollars. Like most people we used it for cost of living or against debts acquired while 1/2 the income was lost while waiting for the self correcting free market to do it's thing.

So it's disingenuous to suggest all were treated well. They weren't and the Republicans eternal promise of trickle down didn't happen.

NCLB was a republican gift to the country. The fact some democrats voted for it is irrelevant.

It's probably just the continued effort to wreck education so they can outsource it and give more tax cuts to the wealthy vouchers.

[Idzequitch]

Pataki calls for war on Radical Islam
Of course, the article that's being passed around Facebook is misinforming everyone that he wants to kill all Muslims. Three cheers for irresponsible journalism!

[Ashmoria]

Pataki calls for war on Radical Islam
Of course, the article that's being passed around Facebook is misinforming everyone that he wants to kill all Muslims. Three cheers for irresponsible journalism!

don't all the republican candidates want a war on radical islam?

[Shan Yue]

Pataki calls for war on Radical Islam
Of course, the article that's being passed around Facebook is misinforming everyone that he wants to kill all Muslims. Three cheers for irresponsible journalism!

don't all the republican candidates want a war on radical islam?

No, and in point of fact, most would just be satisfied with an honest acknowledgement of its existence in the current political narrative.

[Mike the Progressive]

don't all the republican candidates want a war on radical islam?

No, and in point of fact, most would just be satisfied with an honest acknowledgement of its existence in the current political narrative.

In all honesty, religion isn't the sole reason extremism exists. Instability -economically, politically and socially- is the primary factor. And I get why Obama doesn't want to call it radical Islam with the religion. But at the end of the day religion is a factor here. And radical Islam is what AQ and ISIL are.

[Exelia]

don't all the republican candidates want a war on radical islam?

No, and in point of fact, most would just be satisfied with an honest acknowledgement of its existence in the current political narrative.

I'm pretty sure literally everyone but radical Muslims believe radical Islam is a threat.

[Mike the Progressive]

No, and in point of fact, most would just be satisfied with an honest acknowledgement of its existence in the current political narrative.

I'm pretty sure literally everyone but radical Muslims believe radical Islam is a threat.

Actually, Obama and some Dems (so did Bush, to be fair) sort of tip tope around the term "radical Islam" or "radical Muslims." The idea being it would offend the moderates because "radical Islam" is not really Islam. It's sort of absurd really.

[Ugatoo]

I honestly scares me that some of you see Trump or a few other top of the candidates and say "Yeah I'd like this person to run this country."

[Exelia]

I'm pretty sure literally everyone but radical Muslims believe radical Islam is a threat.

Actually, Obama and some Dems (so did Bush, to be fair) sort of tip tope around the term "radical Islam" or "radical Muslims." The idea being it would offend the moderates because "radical Islam" is not really Islam. It's sort of absurd really.

Regardless of how they moderate their speech, I am pretty certain they are well aware of the threat such radical groups pose.

[Mike the Progressive]

Actually, Obama and some Dems (so did Bush, to be fair) sort of tip tope around the term "radical Islam" or "radical Muslims." The idea being it would offend the moderates because "radical Islam" is not really Islam. It's sort of absurd really.

Regardless of how they moderate their speech, I am pretty certain they are well aware of the threat such radical groups pose.

They are. The annoyance comes, I think, with how Obama really refuses to use terms that clearly and accurately describes what AQ and ISIS is. The problem with fighting "terrorism" is that it's such a broad term you can apply it to anybody or anything that uses terror with the hopes of reaching certain political goals. Rumsfeld was right. We should have called it the war on Islamic extremism/radicalism.

[Exelia]

Regardless of how they moderate their speech, I am pretty certain they are well aware of the threat such radical groups pose.

They are. The annoyance comes, I think, with how Obama really refuses to use terms that clearly and accurately describes what AQ and ISIS is. The problem with fighting "terrorism" is that it's such a broad term you can apply it to anybody or anything that uses terror with the hopes of reaching certain political goals. Rumsfeld was right. We should have called it the war on Islamic extremism/radicalism.

We should have called it a Police Action to stabilize the Middle East. No more War on Nouns.

[Mike the Progressive]

They are. The annoyance comes, I think, with how Obama really refuses to use terms that clearly and accurately describes what AQ and ISIS is. The problem with fighting "terrorism" is that it's such a broad term you can apply it to anybody or anything that uses terror with the hopes of reaching certain political goals. Rumsfeld was right. We should have called it the war on Islamic extremism/radicalism.

We should have called it a Police Action to stabilize the Middle East. No more War on Nouns.

Or overseas contingency operations. But it's not as sexy. And theatrics are important during times of crises and wars.

[Ashmoria]

I'm pretty sure literally everyone but radical Muslims believe radical Islam is a threat.

Actually, Obama and some Dems (so did Bush, to be fair) sort of tip tope around the term "radical Islam" or "radical Muslims." The idea being it would offend the moderates because "radical Islam" is not really Islam. It's sort of absurd really.

it isn't to avoid offense it is to deny the idea that THAT is what islam is and that if you are muslim and your country is looking at you with suspicion that THERE is where you turn.

[Ashmoria]

I honestly scares me that some of you see Trump or a few other top of the candidates and say "Yeah I'd like this person to run this country."

it is weird to me that anyone would look at Donald trump and see TOUGH. that because he says he will be tough that that is the same as being tough.

[Mike the Progressive]

Actually, Obama and some Dems (so did Bush, to be fair) sort of tip tope around the term "radical Islam" or "radical Muslims." The idea being it would offend the moderates because "radical Islam" is not really Islam. It's sort of absurd really.

it isn't to avoid offense it is to deny the idea that THAT is what islam is and that if you are muslim and your country is looking at you with suspicion that THERE is where you turn.

Arguably every enemy we've had has been a bastardization of some ideal. How about we just call everybody "bad folks" and leave it at that? Communism isn't a theme whatsoever during the CW, of course not no. Because it wasn't it didn't exist in its purest form! I mean it's absurd really.

It's not Islam that's bad. It's radical Islam. It's not Christianity that's bad. It's Christian extremism.

Also btw as long as we have female troops in SA and use predator drones with hellfire missiles, most Muslims are going to hate us. Moderate, extreme, or whatever.

[Ashmoria]

it isn't to avoid offense it is to deny the idea that THAT is what islam is and that if you are muslim and your country is looking at you with suspicion that THERE is where you turn.

Arguably every enemy we've had has been a bastardization of some ideal. How about we just call everybody "bad folks" and leave it at that? Communism isn't a theme whatsoever during the CW, of course not no. Because it wasn't it didn't exist in its purest form! I mean it's absurd really.

It's not Islam that's bad. It's radical Islam. It's not Christianity that's bad. It's Christian extremism.

Also btw as long as we have female troops in SA and use predator drones with hellfire missiles, most Muslims are going to hate us. Moderate, extreme, or whatever.

aye

no need to make it worse with stupid language.

and, of course, if the president "upped" his language the republican candidates would have to "up" theirs and then we'd have a bigger problem.

[Geilinor]

Arguably every enemy we've had has been a bastardization of some ideal. How about we just call everybody "bad folks" and leave it at that? Communism isn't a theme whatsoever during the CW, of course not no. Because it wasn't it didn't exist in its purest form! I mean it's absurd really.

It's not Islam that's bad. It's radical Islam. It's not Christianity that's bad. It's Christian extremism.

Also btw as long as we have female troops in SA and use predator drones with hellfire missiles, most Muslims are going to hate us. Moderate, extreme, or whatever.

aye

no need to make it worse with stupid language.

and, of course, if the president "upped" his language the republican candidates would have to "up" theirs and then we'd have a bigger problem.

I get why Obama wants to be cautious, but he didn't exercise this caution when intervening in Libya or getting Bin Laden. What's the deal now?

[Geilinor]

Graham unleashed a great barrage two days ago at the Republican Jewish Coalition summit. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/04/lindsey-grahams-moderate-primal-scream/

Graham, who had been ready to give a foreign policy address, hit the stage intending to debunk Cruz. "It was the way he dodged the question about how you get pro-choice people to vote for you," said Graham to reporters afterward. "I think I'm a pro-life person. I think I can get plenty of pro-choice people to vote for me. I think if you have no exception for rape and incest, which he wouldn't talk about, it'll be hard to convert."

"I believe that you can be pro-life and win an election," he said. "But if you are going to tell a woman who has been raped she has to carry the child of a rapist, you’re losing most Americans. Good luck with that.”

"Now it's not self-deportation, it's forced-deportation!" said Graham. "We're literally going to round them up. That sound familiar to you? Deport them, and their American children. You think you're going to win an election with that garbage? If you think it's about turning out more people and keeping us on this path, you're setting us up for oblivion."

"ISIL loves Donald Trump," he said, "because he is giving people the opportunity to turn people their way."

[Ashmoria]

aye

no need to make it worse with stupid language.

and, of course, if the president "upped" his language the republican candidates would have to "up" theirs and then we'd have a bigger problem.

I get why Obama wants to be cautious, but he didn't exercise this caution when intervening in Libya or getting Bin Laden. What's the deal now?

he was quite cautious when it came to Libya. we didn't send troops there either.

the problem is that we have no friends in Syria so there is no one to support. all we can do is make a bigger mess. we shouldn't be there at all but there was that "gassing his people" thing that got everyone so (rightfully) upset.

now with isis we have some responsibility to contain them but we have no real business in Syria otherwise and there is no way we get a good outcome if we send in troops.

[Romalae]

Delightful quote from a Trump supporter:

"We gathered in World War II all the Japanese and put them in camps. ... It's appropriate today to do to the Muslims, same way," said David Brooks, 67, a former owner of a paving company. "And anybody that don’t like it, liberals can get the hell out. I'd close every mosque in this country."