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Which Candidate Do You Support?

Ted Cruz
20
3%
Marco Rubio
65
11%
Rand Paul
98
17%
Ben Carson
53
9%
Carly Fiorina
18
3%
Jeb Bush
31
5%
Chris Christie
9
2%
John Kasich
42
7%
Donald Trump
151
26%
Someone else
92
16%
 
Total votes : 579

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Cause there's no such thing as a moderate Republican?

Alternatively, I can argue there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat. It would still be incorrect.


There aren't many real moderates. There are those who look moderate by comparison, but when you look at their positions...still pretty fucking partisan. Example...Jeb Bush and John Kasich...both exceptionally conservative men who only appear moderate because their party has shifted so far to the right. Another example, my Senator, Claire McCaskill. She appears to be moderate, Missouri is a red state and she's a democrat, supports Clinton and Keystone etc....her vote record is very party line and just as liberal as most other members.

Furthermore, "moderate" Republicans aren't condemning Trump because they agree with his position. Has anyone read the party platform, some of it is pretty out there...I can't imagine what it'll look like after the convention next year.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:19 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Alternatively, I can argue there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat. It would still be incorrect.


There aren't many real moderates. There are those who look moderate by comparison, but when you look at their positions...still pretty fucking partisan. Example...Jeb Bush and John Kasich...both exceptionally conservative men who only appear moderate because their party has shifted so far to the right. Another example, my Senator, Claire McCaskill. She appears to be moderate, Missouri is a red state and she's a democrat, supports Clinton and Keystone etc....her vote record is very party line and just as liberal as most other members.

Furthermore, "moderate" Republicans aren't condemning Trump because they agree with his position. Has anyone read the party platform, some of it is pretty out there...I can't imagine what it'll look like after the convention next year.

Moderate Republicans have condemned Trump. Are there fewer moderates this cycle? Certainly, but then I see Bernie on the left, and remember that both sides have their extremes.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:
There aren't many real moderates. There are those who look moderate by comparison, but when you look at their positions...still pretty fucking partisan. Example...Jeb Bush and John Kasich...both exceptionally conservative men who only appear moderate because their party has shifted so far to the right. Another example, my Senator, Claire McCaskill. She appears to be moderate, Missouri is a red state and she's a democrat, supports Clinton and Keystone etc....her vote record is very party line and just as liberal as most other members.

Furthermore, "moderate" Republicans aren't condemning Trump because they agree with his position. Has anyone read the party platform, some of it is pretty out there...I can't imagine what it'll look like after the convention next year.

Moderate Republicans have condemned Trump. Are there fewer moderates this cycle? Certainly, but then I see Bernie on the left, and remember that both sides have their extremes.


And how many are paying political price for condemning Trump?
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Postby Urbane Night Guardian » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:53 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Moderate Republicans have condemned Trump. Are there fewer moderates this cycle? Certainly, but then I see Bernie on the left, and remember that both sides have their extremes.


And how many are paying political price for condemning Trump?


None that have anything to lose.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:40 pm

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The United Territories of Providence wrote:
There aren't many real moderates. There are those who look moderate by comparison, but when you look at their positions...still pretty fucking partisan. Example...Jeb Bush and John Kasich...both exceptionally conservative men who only appear moderate because their party has shifted so far to the right. Another example, my Senator, Claire McCaskill. She appears to be moderate, Missouri is a red state and she's a democrat, supports Clinton and Keystone etc....her vote record is very party line and just as liberal as most other members.

Furthermore, "moderate" Republicans aren't condemning Trump because they agree with his position. Has anyone read the party platform, some of it is pretty out there...I can't imagine what it'll look like after the convention next year.

Moderate Republicans have condemned Trump. Are there fewer moderates this cycle? Certainly, but then I see Bernie on the left, and remember that both sides have their extremes.


I want you to tell me who the moderate is. Because I've visited each campaign website, read vote records and op-eds about the candidates....All I get is partisan with not much room for the middle. Like two people come to mind, one obvious and the other less so. George Pataki...I don't know what he is or how to classify him. Then there's Donald Trump. Whose positions I'd argue vary between moderately liberal and extremely conservative, but the way he presents them makes him seem far-right...

I don't know that Bernie is extreme, I hate to say this but he and Hillary differ mostly on rhetoric and not policy. There are some vote differences, but for the most part, not much separates them although Bernie is certainly the more liberal candidate.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:48 am

West Aurelia wrote:Why aren't moderate Republicans condemning Trump's bigoted statements about Muslims?


who would that be? who has enough public presence to out-shout Donald trump?

...

its not unlike how we always say "why aren't moderate muslims condemning these terrorist attacks?" when moderate muslims all over the globe are doing so, we just cant hear them.
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Postby Mazeoftime » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:30 am

Detective Rustin Rust Cohle wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
who would that be? who has enough public presence to out-shout Donald trump?

...

its not unlike how we always say "why aren't moderate muslims condemning these terrorist attacks?" when moderate muslims all over the globe are doing so, we just cant hear them.


They don't band together & say it loud enough for fear of retribution from the radicals. Same goes for GOP.

No one can out-shout trump

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:54 am

Detective Rustin Rust Cohle wrote:
Mazeoftime wrote:No one can out-shout trump


Thats clearly a defeatist excuse. If the other Repub candidates really think that, then surely none of them are fit to be leaders of the free world much less dog catcher. So fuck'em all them.

On the other side, Hillary has a loud enough mouth and isn't afraid to get lippy with Trump.


Nor is Bernie.

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Postby The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:59 am

Detective Rustin Rust Cohle wrote:
Mazeoftime wrote:No one can out-shout trump


Thats clearly a defeatist excuse. If the other Repub candidates really think that, then surely none of them are fit to be leaders of the free world much less dog catcher. So fuck'em all them.

On the other side, Hillary has a loud enough mouth and isn't afraid to get lippy with Trump.


Dr. Carson has displayed knowledge of Dog Catcher duties. Rabid dogs and all that, but I doubt even a dog's ears could hear his sorry voice calling.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:09 pm

Romalae wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:Why aren't moderate Republicans condemning Trump's bigoted statements about Muslims?

John Kasich and Jeb Bush condemned the Muslim database remarks.

And yet Kasich called for an agency that would crusade promote Judeo-Chrisitan values in the Middle East, and Bush hopped on the "let's only take Christian refugees" bandwagon.

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Postby Romalae » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:18 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Romalae wrote:John Kasich and Jeb Bush condemned the Muslim database remarks.

And yet Kasich called for an agency that would crusade promote Judeo-Chrisitan values in the Middle East, and Bush hopped on the "let's only take Christian refugees" bandwagon.

Yes indeed, I wasn't supporting their views. But in fairness they did condemn the database nonsense, but then again Cruz and Carson did so as well to some degree, so that isn't saying much.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:07 pm

Romalae wrote:
Merizoc wrote:And yet Kasich called for an agency that would crusade promote Judeo-Chrisitan values in the Middle East, and Bush hopped on the "let's only take Christian refugees" bandwagon.

Yes indeed, I wasn't supporting their views. But in fairness they did condemn the database nonsense, but then again Cruz and Carson did so as well to some degree, so that isn't saying much.


Their views show that they aren't moderate, so there's no purpose in pointing out that they condemned the so called "Muslim database" remarks. Because again, the question was "why aren't the moderate republicans condemning Trump?"
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Postby Romalae » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:10 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Romalae wrote:Yes indeed, I wasn't supporting their views. But in fairness they did condemn the database nonsense, but then again Cruz and Carson did so as well to some degree, so that isn't saying much.


Their views show that they aren't moderate, so there's no purpose in pointing out that they condemned the so called "Muslim database" remarks. Because again, the question was "why aren't the moderate republicans condemning Trump?"

They're considered moderate in comparison to the others. It's relative. There's nothing moderate about the current state of the Republican Party.
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Postby Trumpostan » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Moderate Republicans have condemned Trump. Are there fewer moderates this cycle? Certainly, but then I see Bernie on the left, and remember that both sides have their extremes.


All things are not equal in this Trump/Sanders comparison.

Only one of these has called for rounding up 11 million people and forcibly deporting them.
Only one of those thinks its a tremendous idea to get some kind of database that keeps track of 'where the muslims are' (and subsequently denied ever saying that).

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Geilinor wrote:Carson compares Syrian refugees to dogs. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-syria-refugee-dogs-216064 I'm about to lose it with this amount of idiocy.

Yes, and with the Daily Mail calling them rats, the Nazi comparisons are ripe for the picking.


Damn right, comparing people to rats is actually straight from nazi imagery about jews. More and more people on the right letting their fear and bigotry out in the open, and the real agenda coming to the surface. And these are the people who will call you an extremist for supporting a national healthcare plan.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:03 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Romalae wrote:Yes indeed, I wasn't supporting their views. But in fairness they did condemn the database nonsense, but then again Cruz and Carson did so as well to some degree, so that isn't saying much.


Their views show that they aren't moderate, so there's no purpose in pointing out that they condemned the so called "Muslim database" remarks. Because again, the question was "why aren't the moderate republicans condemning Trump?"

the republican PRESIDENTIAL candidates aren't calling out Donald trump because a large segment of the base loves him. a segment much bigger than the segment of the republican base who love any of THEM. there is nothing for them to gain by talking smack about trump.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:00 am

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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:07 am


I would never have guessed.

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Postby Gauthier » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:11 am

Kelinfort wrote:

I would never have guessed.


Another delicious morsel:

Mr. Trump also said he would bring back use of waterboarding, the controversial interrogation technique that simulates drowning and that is considered torture by many. President Barack Obama barred waterboarding and other harsh techniques at the start of his presidency.
Mr. Trump cited brutal and horrific acts of the Islamic State to justify his view.
“Well, we have to be strong. You know, they don’t use waterboarding over there; they use chopping off people’s heads,” he said on ABC. “I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they’d do to us, what they’re doing to us, what they did to (journalist) James Foley when they chopped off his head. That’s a whole different level and I would absolutely bring back interrogation and strong interrogation.”


Trump wants to be the next Dick Cheney, and he seems likely to be able to Out-Cheney him.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:16 am

Gauthier wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I would never have guessed.


Another delicious morsel:

Mr. Trump also said he would bring back use of waterboarding, the controversial interrogation technique that simulates drowning and that is considered torture by many. President Barack Obama barred waterboarding and other harsh techniques at the start of his presidency.
Mr. Trump cited brutal and horrific acts of the Islamic State to justify his view.
“Well, we have to be strong. You know, they don’t use waterboarding over there; they use chopping off people’s heads,” he said on ABC. “I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they’d do to us, what they’re doing to us, what they did to (journalist) James Foley when they chopped off his head. That’s a whole different level and I would absolutely bring back interrogation and strong interrogation.”


Trump wants to be the next Dick Cheney, and he seems likely to be able to Out-Cheney him.

Cheney: "We need to go into the dark side."
Trump: "We need to be the dark side."

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:10 pm

Trump doesn't disturb me. He has always been a carnival barker saying crap for attention.

What disturbs me are the people who think he is right.
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Postby Romalae » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:16 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Trump doesn't disturb me. He has always been a carnival barker saying crap for attention.

O'Malley's words, not yours, right? :D
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:41 pm




The United Territories of Providence wrote: Donald Trump...is Donald Trump. If it benefits him, he'll rip up that non-legally binding piece of paper. He gives no fucks, nothing he does hurts his poll numbers. He also said he wouldn't run for President...but here we are....with candidate Trump. I'm at 50% confidence that if he doesn't win the nomination due to delegates refusing to support him (cause he could win the popular vote) he'll run as an Independent. No one disrespects Donald and gets away scot free. You hurt his pride, he gives out your cell on national television...or makes sure your party doesn't make it to the white house.


Said this way back in September on the day he signed the pledge. So far I'm 6 for 6 on GOP predictions.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:47 pm

Romalae wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Trump doesn't disturb me. He has always been a carnival barker saying crap for attention.

O'Malley's words, not yours, right? :D


No. Well I guess it depends who said it first. I have been saying it for awhile......
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Postby Trumpostan » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:15 pm



The GOP thought they had tamed Trump and tied him to their ship.

In reality, the GOP legitimized Trump because Trump demanded all the other GOP candidates sign too. So if Trump wins, even with a 30% plurality, they have pledged to support him... a pledge they aren't likely to keep. Trump was the big winner of signing that meaningless and unenforceable pledge.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:22 pm

I have a feeling that the RNC will make the 'support the nominee' pledge an actual legal contract in coming election cycles.
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