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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:06 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.
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Postby Benian Republic » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.


For the Fatherland?

Yes, and why not?
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Postby Benian Republic » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:07 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.

They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:08 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.

They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.

People have the right to whine about centuries of oppression and genocide. Dying for a shitty, oppressive cause isn't honorable.
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Postby Oldowan » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:09 pm

She was naked with the flag? The links do not work for me.

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Postby Tekania » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:09 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.

They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.


They are rights, not privileges.... You don't get to revoke rights simply because you don't like what the people think, say, or express.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:09 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.

They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.


All those people died for a piece of cloth?
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Postby Benian Republic » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:09 pm

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Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

What honor and why should they be allowed to protect it like this?

I'm not just talking about the U.S. I'm talking about all nations, they have the honor of protecting their land from the rabble such as these people. Because it's what's right and if it has to be stopped by force so be it.
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Postby Oldowan » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:09 pm

Tekania wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.


They are rights, not privileges.... You don't get to revoke rights simply because you don't like what the people think, say, or express.

Well...why not? Are not some rights more important than others?

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Postby Benian Republic » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.


All those people died for a piece of cloth?

They died for what it represents and their actions showed that they have little respect for those ideals.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:10 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Arbolvine wrote:What honor and why should they be allowed to protect it like this?

I'm not just talking about the U.S. I'm talking about all nations, they have the honor of protecting their land from the rabble such as these people. Because it's what's right and if it has to be stopped by force so be it.

That "rabble" are the true exercisers of our constitutionally-ordained rights. Don't like them? Leave.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:11 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
All those people died for a piece of cloth?

They died for what it represents and their actions showed that they have little respect for those ideals.

It represents centuries of oppression, genocide, racism, sexism, and conquest. If you have respect for those ideals, and die for them, well, I'm going to express disrespect for you.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:12 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.

They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.


Blarg! People died in the name of this flag, thus your freedom should be restricted.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:12 pm

Oldowan wrote:
Tekania wrote:
They are rights, not privileges.... You don't get to revoke rights simply because you don't like what the people think, say, or express.

Well...why not? Are not some rights more important than others?

What? ...what?
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Postby Stomalia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:12 pm

Should the protesters have been trampling over the flag? No, they most definitely should not have.

Should she have tried to take the flag? Yes, any patriotic person would have tried to take the flag. I would have done so myself.

Should the police have arrested her for taking the flag? No, it's disgusting they did.

Should the university have banned her from ever returning? Most definitely not.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:13 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.


Blarg! People died in the name of this flag, thus your freedom should be restricted.

"People died in the name of freedom, so you damn well better not use it"
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:14 pm

Stomalia wrote:Should the protesters have been trampling over the flag? No, they most definitely should not have.

Yes they should have.

Stomalia wrote:Should she have tried to take the flag? Yes, any patriotic person would have tried to take the flag. I would have done so myself.

Fuck patriotism. And you would've been arrested too.

Stomalia wrote:Should the police have arrested her for taking the flag? No, it's disgusting they did.

They were enforcing American law.

Stomalia wrote:Should the university have banned her from ever returning? Most definitely not.

Trying to violate people's constitutional rights is sometimes taken quite seriously here in America.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:15 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

Preventing people from exercising their freedom of expression is not an act of patriotism.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:16 pm

Stomalia wrote:Should the protesters have been trampling over the flag? No, they most definitely should not have.


Well, no, they shouldn't have been trampling the flag. They should have burned it.

Should she have tried to take the flag? Yes, any patriotic person would have tried to take the flag. I would have done so myself.


Nothing about patriotism is virtuous. "Any patriotic person" should learn about the absolutely horrendous things America has done throughout history, and stop being a patriot. Patriotism is ignorance, and "ignorance is strength!"

Should the police have arrested her for taking the flag? No, it's disgusting they did.


So if I come take your flag, it's cool? Thanks.

Should the university have banned her from ever returning? Most definitely not.


Agreed here. It's a bit excessive and unnecessary.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:17 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

Preventing people from exercising their freedom of expression is not an act of patriotism.


Actually, it is. People need to stop trying to make patriotism into something it isn't (freedom).

Patriotism, and nationalism, are the antithesis of liberty.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:17 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You ought to be ashamed of yourself, defending a thief trying to violate Americans' constitutional rights.

They should have those rights they are disrespecting what many people have died for just because they wanted to whine.

Who has died to protect the flag?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:17 pm

Stomalia wrote:Should the protesters have been trampling over the flag? No, they most definitely should not have.

Should she have tried to take the flag? Yes, any patriotic person would have tried to take the flag. I would have done so myself.

Should the police have arrested her for taking the flag? No, it's disgusting they did.

Should the university have banned her from ever returning? Most definitely not.

Should people be able to take rights from others? Most Certainly.

That's also a admission that you would commit theft, so you've gone in circular logic.
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Postby Arbolvine » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:18 pm

That a veteran is posting support for the protestors' rights should eliminate entirely the "people fought and died for your country" shit.
Plus the fact that country=/=flag and it never will (unless you are very small and made of conscious fabric).
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:18 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Preventing people from exercising their freedom of expression is not an act of patriotism.


Actually, it is. People need to stop trying to make patriotism into something it isn't (freedom).

Patriotism, and nationalism, are the antithesis of liberty.

True enough, but deliberately breaking the laws of a nation you claim to love isn't very patriotic.
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Postby Page » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:19 pm

Stomalia wrote:Should the protesters have been trampling over the flag? No, they most definitely should not have.

Should she have tried to take the flag? Yes, any patriotic person would have tried to take the flag. I would have done so myself.

Should the police have arrested her for taking the flag? No, it's disgusting they did.

Should the university have banned her from ever returning? Most definitely not.


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