Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop flag desecration

by **Oldowan** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:36 pm

Did they really arrest the girl for protecting the flag?

by **Yumyumsuppertime** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:37 pm

It seems that the protesters weren't the only ones who have issues with the flag code. The very hero who attempted to save the item violated the flag code repeatedly during a nude photo shoot (all images behind the link PG-13).

by **Yumyumsuppertime** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:38 pm

Oldowan wrote:Did they really arrest the girl for protecting the flag?

No, they arrested her for stealing the flag, then resisting the security guards who wrested it back from her.

by **Dyakovo** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:42 pm

Oldowan wrote:Did they really arrest the girl for protecting the flag?

Yes, she was really arrested for stealing the flag from it's rightful owners.

by **Benuty** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:43 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
The Dragon Realms Empire wrote:It's Unconstitutional, So are the books wrong or the Constitution?
Edit: Granted I believe you need a permit to start the fire, so the only it could be illegal is not having a fire permit.

The books are wrong. The law is unconstitutional.
Scomagia wrote:No they didn't. It's not illegal, since the law is unenforceable. Saying that it's "just not enforced" is false. It cannot be enforced. That means the law isn't applicable. Besides, we have other, specific laws stating that defacing the flag is perfectly legal.

No answer for your lies about the veteran not committing a crime?

The slavery law were superseded by the 13th Amendment.

What does slavery have to do with this discussion?

by **Ifreann** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:43 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It seems that the protesters weren't the only ones who have issues with the flag code. The very hero who attempted to save the item violated the flag code repeatedly during a nude photo shoot (all images behind the link PG-13).

Maybe her problem was that the students were wearing clothes...

by **Prussia-Steinbach** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:44 pm

Oldowan wrote:Did they really arrest the girl for protecting the flag?

She was arrested for being a thief trying to violate constitutional rights.

by **Yumyumsuppertime** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It seems that the protesters weren't the only ones who have issues with the flag code. The very hero who attempted to save the item violated the flag code repeatedly during a nude photo shoot (all images behind the link PG-13).

Maybe her problem was that the students were wearing clothes...

To be fair, it's not good to burn things while nude.

by **Benuty** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:44 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
The Dragon Realms Empire wrote:It's Unconstitutional, So are the books wrong or the Constitution?
Edit: Granted I believe you need a permit to start the fire, so the only it could be illegal is not having a fire permit.

The books are wrong. The law is unconstitutional.
Scomagia wrote:No they didn't. It's not illegal, since the law is unenforceable. Saying that it's "just not enforced" is false. It cannot be enforced. That means the law isn't applicable. Besides, we have other, specific laws stating that defacing the flag is perfectly legal.

No answer for your lies about the veteran not committing a crime?

The slavery law were superseded by the 13th Amendment.

What does slavery have to do with this discussion?

by **Prussia-Steinbach** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:45 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It seems that the protesters weren't the only ones who have issues with the flag code. The very hero who attempted to save the item violated the flag code repeatedly during a nude photo shoot (all images behind the link PG-13).

A true conservative hero.

by **Ifreann** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:45 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe her problem was that the students were wearing clothes...

To be fair, it's not good to burn things while nude.

This is true.

by **Prussia-Steinbach** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:47 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe her problem was that the students were wearing clothes...

To be fair, it's not good to burn things while nude.

Don't tell me how to live my life

#anarchy

by **Benuty** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:49 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
To be fair, it's not good to burn things while nude.

Don't tell me how to live my life

#anarchy

by **Prussia-Steinbach** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:51 pm

Benuty wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Don't tell me how to live my life

#anarchy

*burns ron paul's hair while nude*

by **Tekania** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:53 pm

Lydenburg wrote:Many European countries with fairly liberal freedom of speech principles also have specific constitutional clauses which safeguard the national flag from desecration. I fail to see why the US should be any different, or why some self-appointed defenders of civil rights are arguing so vehemently for the right to offend the flag of their own country.

If you're going to bother with flag protocol at all why not go ahead and ensure it is protected as a national symbol?

I don't really give a shit what European countries do. We have basic principals, one of them is freedom of expression. Acts of desecration as part of said expression is perfectly in line with it. And I disagree with reasonless imposition on the freedom of expression to make inroads into that liberty.... The reason we do not support it as "self appointed defenders of civil rights" is because it most certainly is a civil right issue. That European countries provide special protection of it, has about as much relevance that Sharia countries execute homosexuals. Because someone else is doing it, does not make it right.

by **Arbolvine** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
To be fair, it's not good to burn things while nude.

This is true.

I have no problem with her choosing to burn herself alive with the American flag. Of course, I wouldn't compel her to do so, but if she wants to really be such a selfless patriot she could certainly go martyr-style.

by **Tekania** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:54 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:One shouldn't be bothered with flag protocol.

Do Yanks not have a flag protocol like we do?

We have flag etiquette....... Much like where you place your fork it's a convention.... but it has no force of law. Not following it may get you snide looks from others.... but that is really it.

by **Tekania** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:57 pm

The Sons of Adam wrote:
Seaxeland wrote:

Arrested for stealing the flag? I thought that was the state's property. I thought she was saving it.

The state does not own "The flag"... they own some flags; some people also own flags.... This particular flag was owned by a person, and not the state, and not Michelle Manhart. Now, if they went and took it off state property and did this, then it would be illegal.... but not because it is a flag, but because they would then be vandalizing state property.

by **Tekania** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:00 pm

Arbolvine wrote:
The Sons of Adam wrote:Arrested for stealing the flag? I thought that was the state's property. I thought she was saving it.

The flag was the property of the protesters you goose. Just because it represents the state doesn't make it the property of the state. By the same logic, I am currently drinking Coca-Cola's property and hacking into Microsoft's computer.

Interestingly enough Michelle Manhart at one point stated (after she had taken the flag) that this flag was property of everyone and that she was protecting it. I had no idea Michelle Manhart was a communist.... and it is interesting how right-wingers are comming out in droves to empower communist attitudes of this woman.

by **Benian Republic** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:01 pm

Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

by **The Black Forrest** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:02 pm

Tekania wrote:
Arbolvine wrote: The flag was the property of the protesters you goose. Just because it represents the state doesn't make it the property of the state. By the same logic, I am currently drinking Coca-Cola's property and hacking into Microsoft's computer.

Interestingly enough Michelle Manhart at one point stated (after she had taken the flag) that this flag was property of everyone and that she was protecting it. I had no idea Michelle Manhart was a communist.... and it is interesting how right-wingers are comming out in droves to empower communist attitudes of this woman.

Well they do call themselves Red voters and live in Red states......

by **The Black Forrest** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:02 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

For the Fatherland?

by **Arbolvine** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:04 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Democracy at its finest, stopping true patriots from protecting the country's honor. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves for desecrating that flag.

What honor and why should they be allowed to protect it like this?

by **Page** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:04 pm

A thief who used force to take something that wasn't hers was arrested. What's the controversy?

by **Tekania** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:04 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:No this is horrible, If you hate your country so much please protest in a different way. Roflstomping on something countless men and women have died defending is very wrong and these students should be ashamed of themselves, as should those university police and especially the university. That vet was basically being stomped on by those students. Shame on them, shame

The police should be ashamed of protecting lawful citizens' property against the rogue acts of a disgraced former air force senior airman?

Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop flag desecration

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