Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop flag desecration

[Neutraligon]

You're doing it wrong.

I'm not a big fan of the military, but if you're going to do the military thing, I think Dyakovo's, "I said I was going to defend the Constitution, so now I defend the Constitution" attitude is a lot better than your flag fetish. With people that take their oath literally, at least you know what to expect from them, and there are certain rights you can trust them not to trample on.

*bows*
I take oaths seriously, and the oath of enlistment has you swear to defend the constitution, not the flag.

I personally frown on desecrating the flag and would most likely never do it, but I recognize that it is a protected form of expression.

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Quote me saying that.

I've very clearly stated that they are not the same thing. Over and over again.

Selective reading perhaps?

edit: and for the record, i could do away with using the term of "hate speech" entirely since i find it useless b/c of how incredibly subjective it is

I appear to have misread one of your posts. My apologies.

No problem. Actually sorry for coming a bit hard on you lol

[Dyakovo]

I appear to have misread one of your posts. My apologies.

No problem. Actually sorry for coming a bit hard on you lol

No hard feelings. I'd have done the same in your position.

[Lleu llaw Gyffes]

*bows*
I take oaths seriously, and the oath of enlistment has you swear to defend the constitution, not the flag.

I personally frown on desecrating the flag and would most likely never do it, but I recognize that it is a protected form of expression.

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

Desecrating the Flag = saying "USA government is corrupt and evil. USA govt has broken all that Liberty and Justice that the Flag is supposed to stand for." Constitution protects Free Speech.

Soldiers swear an Oath to the Constitution.
Only children swear an Oath to the Flag.

[Geilinor]

:clap:

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

Desecrating the Flag = saying "USA government is corrupt and evil. USA govt has broken all that Liberty and Justice that the Flag is supposed to stand for." Constitution protects Free Speech.

Soldiers swear an Oath to the Constitution.
Only children swear an Oath to the Flag.

The Pledge of Allegiance is not a formal oath, children can't legally swear oaths (as far as I know).

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

:clap:


Desecrating the Flag = saying "USA government is corrupt and evil. USA govt has broken all that Liberty and Justice that the Flag is supposed to stand for." Constitution protects Free Speech.

Soldiers swear an Oath to the Constitution.
Only children swear an Oath to the Flag.

The Pledge of Allegiance is not a formal oath, children can't legally swear oaths (as far as I know).

It's a expression of allegiance, nothing more, though I concur that it is not a formal oath.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

:clap:

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

Desecrating the Flag = saying "USA government is corrupt and evil. USA govt has broken all that Liberty and Justice that the Flag is supposed to stand for." Constitution protects Free Speech.

Soldiers swear an Oath to the Constitution.
Only children swear an Oath to the Flag.

haha wat

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Good. She was stealing a private possession and trying to stop them from freely expressing themselves.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

:clap:


Desecrating the Flag = saying "USA government is corrupt and evil. USA govt has broken all that Liberty and Justice that the Flag is supposed to stand for." Constitution protects Free Speech.

Soldiers swear an Oath to the Constitution.
Only children swear an Oath to the Flag.

The Pledge of Allegiance is not a formal oath, children can't legally swear oaths (as far as I know).

No, it's just brainwashing and kind of frighteningly authoritarian.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

*bows*
I take oaths seriously, and the oath of enlistment has you swear to defend the constitution, not the flag.

I personally frown on desecrating the flag and would most likely never do it, but I recognize that it is a protected form of expression.

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

The flag of a nation that is so blatantly evil does not deserve to be revered. No government deserves to be revered.

[Utceforp]

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

The flag of a nation that is so blatantly evil does not deserve to be revered. No government deserves to be revered.

This post is so edgy I got a paper cut from reading it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The flag of a nation that is so blatantly evil does not deserve to be revered. No government deserves to be revered.

This post is so edgy I got a paper cut from reading it.

Edgy wasn't the intention. Just expressing an anti-government view. I don't like the state. You won't catch me with a handlebar mustache, rolling my own cigarettes or wearing skinny jeans any time soon.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

This post is so edgy I got a paper cut from reading it.

Edgy wasn't the intention. Just expressing an anti-government view. I don't like the state. You won't catch me with a handlebar mustache, rolling my own cigarettes or wearing skinny jeans any time soon.

what the actual fu..

also u do realize nation=/=state

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Edgy wasn't the intention. Just expressing an anti-government view. I don't like the state. You won't catch me with a handlebar mustache, rolling my own cigarettes or wearing skinny jeans any time soon.

what the actual fu..

also u do realize nation=/=state

...yes? A nation is usually the group of people under a government. I do not like the government. I do not support the existence of a government. I do not support the existence of the state. I don't like the American flag.

How is this so astounding to you?

[Lydenburg]

Many European countries with fairly liberal freedom of speech principles also have specific constitutional clauses which safeguard the national flag from desecration. I fail to see why the US should be any different, or why some self-appointed defenders of civil rights are arguing so vehemently for the right to offend the flag of their own country.

If you're going to bother with flag protocol at all why not go ahead and ensure it is protected as a national symbol?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Many European countries with fairly liberal freedom of speech principles also have specific constitutional clauses which safeguard the national flag from desecration. I fail to see why the US should be any different, or why some self-appointed defenders of civil rights are arguing so vehemently for the right to offend the flag of their own country.

If you're going to bother with flag protocol at all why not go ahead and ensure it is protected as a national symbol?

One shouldn't be bothered with flag protocol.

[Lydenburg]

Many European countries with fairly liberal freedom of speech principles also have specific constitutional clauses which safeguard the national flag from desecration. I fail to see why the US should be any different, or why some self-appointed defenders of civil rights are arguing so vehemently for the right to offend the flag of their own country.

If you're going to bother with flag protocol at all why not go ahead and ensure it is protected as a national symbol?

One shouldn't be bothered with flag protocol.

Do Yanks not have a flag protocol like we do?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

One shouldn't be bothered with flag protocol.

Do Yanks not have a flag protocol like we do?

We did, but it was declared unconstitutional.

[Katganistan]

Well the dumbass punks were breaking the law
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-201 ... sec700.htm

They were not, as the Supreme Court has stated it is covered under freedom of expression.

"The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the national flag of the United States of America. It is Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This is a U.S. federal law, but the penalty described in in Federal Law 18 USC Section 700 –[1] for failure to comply with it is not enforced and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.[2]"

[Dyakovo]

Many European countries with fairly liberal freedom of speech principles also have specific constitutional clauses which safeguard the national flag from desecration. I fail to see why the US should be any different, or why some self-appointed defenders of civil rights are arguing so vehemently for the right to offend the flag of their own country.

If you're going to bother with flag protocol at all why not go ahead and ensure it is protected as a national symbol?

What harm is caused by the desecration of the flag?

[Dyakovo]

Do Yanks not have a flag protocol like we do?

We did, but it was declared unconstitutional.

Not quite true.
Punishment for failing to abide by it was declared unconstitutional.

[Kubra]

While I have never actually said an oath in front of people as a serious affair, I feel the same way. Most of the time I was in high school I refused to say the pledge, because i felt the pledge as it was done had lost all meaning. The last day I was there, I said the pledge for the first time in high school, and I meant every word I said. The flag is important only for as long as it actually represent the nation for which it stands. As soon as the flag becomes more important then the nation and the laws that make the very basis of that nation, the flag loses any and all meaning and instead becomes something that diminishes the nation it was supposed to stand for.

The flag of a nation that is so blatantly evil does not deserve to be revered. No government deserves to be revered.

k so the real crime is that we don't burn enough union jacks and prussian eagles
man we sure wasted a lot of time in the nineteenth century

[Prussia-Steinbach]

We did, but it was declared unconstitutional.

Not quite true.
Punishment for failing to abide by it was declared unconstitutional.

You're right.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The flag of a nation that is so blatantly evil does not deserve to be revered. No government deserves to be revered.

k so the real crime is that we don't burn enough union jacks and prussian eagles
man we sure wasted a lot of time in the nineteenth century

There were plenty of anarchists in the nineteenth century.

[Kubra]

k so the real crime is that we don't burn enough union jacks and prussian eagles
man we sure wasted a lot of time in the nineteenth century

There were plenty of anarchists in the nineteenth century.

yeah, and not a single successful regicide on either's royal family