Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop flag desecration

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The double standard here lies in numerous posters who need not be named who would readily rally behind anti hate speech laws yet come here screaming "freedom of speech". Burning a flag is a classic way of intentionally offending people if you needed reminding.

You think hate speech is only about offending people?

Do tell what it's about then. And try not to use "incitement to violence" as that's already illegal in a lot of places.

[Norstal]

There is no double standard.

The double standard here lies in numerous posters who need not be named who would readily rally behind anti hate speech laws yet come here screaming "freedom of speech". Burning a flag is a classic way of intentionally offending people if you needed reminding.

You think burning flags is the same as rallying a mob to commit violence through speech?

If they say "death to america" while burning flags they should go to jail. But no one burning the flag supports violence, as far as I know.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The double standard here lies in numerous posters who need not be named who would readily rally behind anti hate speech laws yet come here screaming "freedom of speech". Burning a flag is a classic way of intentionally offending people if you needed reminding.

You think burning flags is the same as rallying a mob to commit violence through speech?

If they say "death to america" while burning flags they should go to jail. But no one burning the flag supports violence, as far as I know.

Hate speech =/= Incitement to violence.

The latter is just a tiny subset of the former.

[Imperializt Russia]

Public order then.

Brandenburg v. Ohio

That is so not what we're talking about here.

[Norstal]

You think hate speech is only about offending people?

Do tell what it's about then. And try not to use "incitement to violence" as that's already illegal in a lot of places.

That is hate speech. Incitement of violence is hate speech just like a square is a rectangle. How are you going to argue that's not hate speech?

[The Black Forrest]

You think hate speech is only about offending people?

Do tell what it's about then. And try not to use "incitement to violence" as that's already illegal in a lot of places.

Sorry, I am asking you to clarify as you seem to be bouncing all over the place.

Start with how the two are linked.....

[Dyakovo]

There is no double standard.

The double standard here lies in numerous posters who need not be named who would readily rally behind anti hate speech laws yet come here screaming "freedom of speech". Burning a flag is a classic way of intentionally offending people if you needed reminding.

Depending upon the wording of the particular hate speech law, I'd probably rally behind it. I also support the right to burn/desecrate a flag as a method of protest. There is no double standard involved.

[Norstal]

The double standard here lies in numerous posters who need not be named who would readily rally behind anti hate speech laws yet come here screaming "freedom of speech". Burning a flag is a classic way of intentionally offending people if you needed reminding.

Depending upon the wording of the particular hate speech law, I'd probably rally behind it. I also support the right to burn/desecrate a flag as a method of protest. There is no double standard involved.

Even if it's a double standard it shouldn't fucking matter anyways. It's a strawman at best.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Do tell what it's about then. And try not to use "incitement to violence" as that's already illegal in a lot of places.

That is hate speech. Incitement of violence is hate speech just like a square is a rectangle. How are you going to argue that's not hate speech?

You think burning flags is the same as rallying a mob to commit violence through speech?

If they say "death to america" while burning flags they should go to jail. But no one burning the flag supports violence, as far as I know.

Hate speech =/= Incitement to violence.

The latter is just a tiny subset of the former.

[The Black Forrest]

You think burning flags is the same as rallying a mob to commit violence through speech?

If they say "death to america" while burning flags they should go to jail. But no one burning the flag supports violence, as far as I know.

Hate speech =/= Incitement to violence.

The latter is just a tiny subset of the former.

Is it now.

Examples?

[Norstal]

That is hate speech. Incitement of violence is hate speech just like a square is a rectangle. How are you going to argue that's not hate speech?

Hate speech =/= Incitement to violence.

The latter is just a tiny subset of the former.

Yeah and you haven't provided any argument as to why. If I were to rally a group of people to hate white people around an area, would the white people living in that area not fear for their lives?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The double standard here lies in numerous posters who need not be named who would readily rally behind anti hate speech laws yet come here screaming "freedom of speech". Burning a flag is a classic way of intentionally offending people if you needed reminding.

Depending upon the wording of the particular hate speech law, I'd probably rally behind it. I also support the right to burn/desecrate a flag as a method of protest. There is no double standard involved.

It's a simple difference really.

"gays fucking suck ass and they're all dumb" vs "kill / bash gays"

[Dyakovo]

Depending upon the wording of the particular hate speech law, I'd probably rally behind it. I also support the right to burn/desecrate a flag as a method of protest. There is no double standard involved.

It's a simple difference really.

"gays fucking suck ass and they're all dumb" vs "kill / bash gays"

Both of those are examples of hate speech.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's a simple difference really.

"gays fucking suck ass and they're all dumb" vs "kill / bash gays"

Both of those are examples of hate speech.

Do you have a point or are you being deliberately dense?

EDIT: Oh wait, no you don't.

[The Black Forrest]

Depending upon the wording of the particular hate speech law, I'd probably rally behind it. I also support the right to burn/desecrate a flag as a method of protest. There is no double standard involved.

It's a simple difference really.

"gays fucking suck ass and they're all dumb" vs "kill / bash gays"

You see a difference?

[Norstal]

Depending upon the wording of the particular hate speech law, I'd probably rally behind it. I also support the right to burn/desecrate a flag as a method of protest. There is no double standard involved.

It's a simple difference really.

"gays fucking suck ass and they're all dumb" vs "kill / bash gays"

That's not hate speech. That's a statement. And even saying "kill gays" isn't hate speech. That's a statement. You wouldn't be charged with anything like hate speech.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's a simple difference really.

"gays fucking suck ass and they're all dumb" vs "kill / bash gays"

You see a difference?

Yeah, if in your fantasy world the common man feels entitled and motivated to take it upon himself to kill or bash people who suck ass and are dumb, sure, no difference.

[Dyakovo]

Both of those are examples of hate speech.

Do you have a point or are you being deliberately dense?

EDIT: Oh wait, no you don't.

My point should have been obvious... You presented those two examples as if one was hate speech and the other wasn't. My point was (as I clearly stated) that they are both examples of hate speech.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Do you have a point or are you being deliberately dense?

EDIT: Oh wait, no you don't.

My point should have been obvious... You presented those two examples as if one was hate speech and the other wasn't. My point was (as I clearly stated) that they are both examples of hate speech.

No.. my point was obviously that one is incitement to violence whereas the other is not.

[Delkora]

Brandenburg v. Ohio

That is so not what we're talking about here.

If a Klan rally involving the burning of a cross and speeches calling for violence against blacks and Jews doesn't amount to an illegal breach of public order, I fail to see how swearing does.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

That is so not what we're talking about here.

If a Klan rally involving the burning of a cross and speeches calling for violence against blacks and Jews doesn't amount to an illegal breach of public order, I fail to see how swearing does.

You may have a point but I think he's saying it's a different thing.

[Dyakovo]

My point should have been obvious... You presented those two examples as if one was hate speech and the other wasn't. My point was (as I clearly stated) that they are both examples of hate speech.

No.. my point was obviously that one is incitement to violence whereas the other is not.

Okay. That is not in any way a counter to what I said, especially since you've claimed that incitement to violence is not hate speech.

[MERIZoC]

No.. my point was obviously that one is incitement to violence whereas the other is not.

Okay. That is not in any way a counter to what I said, especially since you've claimed that incitement to violence is not hate speech.

He's said that incitement is hate speech, but not all hate speech is incitement.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

No.. my point was obviously that one is incitement to violence whereas the other is not.

Okay. That is not in any way a counter to what I said, especially since you've claimed that incitement to violence is not hate speech.

Quote me saying that.

I've very clearly stated that they are not the same thing. Over and over again.

Selective reading perhaps?

edit: and for the record, i could do away with using the term of "hate speech" entirely since i find it useless b/c of how incredibly subjective it is

[Dyakovo]

Okay. That is not in any way a counter to what I said, especially since you've claimed that incitement to violence is not hate speech.

Quote me saying that.

I've very clearly stated that they are not the same thing. Over and over again.

Selective reading perhaps?

edit: and for the record, i could do away with using the term of "hate speech" entirely since i find it useless b/c of how incredibly subjective it is

I appear to have misread one of your posts. My apologies.