Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop flag desecration

[LOLAF]

The bottom line is I'm sure the protesters were morally justified in what they did, our country sucks

And they're not letting you move out?

Out of curiosity, which country doesn't were you planning to move to once they give you your passport?

Really? We're going to use the, "If you don't like this country then leave" argument. This is my home. Home is not the place that matches your ideologies exactly, it's the place you stay in to try to make it the best it can be. And I do not deserve to be made to feel I'm the one that needs to leave when this country has been fucked since the day the constitution was made with a majority thinking, "Slavery is cool, women shouldn't vote and the electoral college makes sense."

I don't get Americans who get so upset with protesters when literally protesters have always been the people fighting to make this country better. Protesters are a greater good to our country then any army.

People against Taxation without representation should not have just left!
Abolitionist should not have just left!
Suffragette should not have just left!
No fighter for civil rights should leave for having legitimate problems with our very problematic country!

[Grenartia]

And they're not letting you move out?

Out of curiosity, which country doesn't were you planning to move to once they give you your passport?

Really? We're going to use the, "If you don't like this country then leave" argument. This is my home. Home is not the place that matches your ideologies exactly, it's the place you stay in to try to make it the best it can be. And I do not deserve to be made to feel I'm the one that needs to leave when this country has been fucked since the day the constitution was made with a majority thinking, "Slavery is cool, women shouldn't vote and the electoral college makes sense."

I don't get Americans who get so upset with protesters when literally protesters have always been the people fighting to make this country better. Protesters are a greater good to our country then any army.

People against Taxation without representation should not have just left!
Abolitionist should not have just left!
Suffragette should not have just left!
No fighter for civil rights should leave for having legitimate problems with our very problematic country!

My response to the "don't like it, then leave" bullshit has always been "my country, right or wrong, if right, to be kept right, if wrong, to be made right".

[Kernen]

And they're not letting you move out?

Out of curiosity, which country doesn't were you planning to move to once they give you your passport?

Really? We're going to use the, "If you don't like this country then leave" argument. This is my home. Home is not the place that matches your ideologies exactly, it's the place you stay in to try to make it the best it can be. And I do not deserve to be made to feel I'm the one that needs to leave when this country has been fucked since the day the constitution was made with a majority thinking, "Slavery is cool, women shouldn't vote and the electoral college makes sense."

I don't get Americans who get so upset with protesters when literally protesters have always been the people fighting to make this country better. Protesters are a greater good to our country then any army.

People against Taxation without representation should not have just left!
Abolitionist should not have just left!
Suffragette should not have just left!
No fighter for civil rights should leave for having legitimate problems with our very problematic country!

Yeah, those groups all said "This is not ideal and it needs to change" not "This place fucking sucks, everybody is a douche". Check your approach.

[Twilight Imperium]

Yeah, those groups all said "This is not ideal and it needs to change" not "This place fucking sucks, everybody is a douche". Check your approach.

Dude, really? In what bizarre monocle-popping universe are activists these genteel, polite people who don't curse their situation?

[Dyakovo]

We're kind of awful about racism on the national level. Yes, we've made some good steps, but there's a long way to go. There's also a case to be made that we're far too lenient on abortion. That's one from each side of the aisle without even really trying.

Neither of which are the topic on hand, but that we have racist individuals is a silly reason to hate the country entirely.

Indeed it is, however, hating the country for silly reasons isn't illegal. (Yes, I realize you weren't saying it was or should be).
*shrugs*

[Kernen]

Yeah, those groups all said "This is not ideal and it needs to change" not "This place fucking sucks, everybody is a douche". Check your approach.

Dude, really? In what bizarre monocle-popping universe are activists these genteel, polite people who don't curse their situation?

I don't recall a single gay rights protest that made the take-home point that "EVERYBODY IS A DOUCHE!". Neither an abolitionist's writings.

That said, this isn't the topic. Lets bring it back on, yeah?

[LOLAF]

Really? We're going to use the, "If you don't like this country then leave" argument. This is my home. Home is not the place that matches your ideologies exactly, it's the place you stay in to try to make it the best it can be. And I do not deserve to be made to feel I'm the one that needs to leave when this country has been fucked since the day the constitution was made with a majority thinking, "Slavery is cool, women shouldn't vote and the electoral college makes sense."

I don't get Americans who get so upset with protesters when literally protesters have always been the people fighting to make this country better. Protesters are a greater good to our country then any army.

People against Taxation without representation should not have just left!
Abolitionist should not have just left!
Suffragette should not have just left!
No fighter for civil rights should leave for having legitimate problems with our very problematic country!

Yeah, those groups all said "This is not ideal and it needs to change" not "This place fucking sucks, everybody is a douche". Check your approach.

Okay we're going to go on a magical time journey back to when we had slaves and see them say "This is not ideal and it needs to change" as they fight for their freedom.
Oh my god.

[Twilight Imperium]

Dude, really? In what bizarre monocle-popping universe are activists these genteel, polite people who don't curse their situation?

I don't recall a single gay rights protest that made the take-home point that "EVERYBODY IS A DOUCHE!". Neither an abolitionist's writings.

That said, this isn't the topic. Lets bring it back on, yeah?

That wasn't that guy's point, either. And isn't the topic about freedom of expression and the validity of such?

[LOLAF]

Dude, really? In what bizarre monocle-popping universe are activists these genteel, polite people who don't curse their situation?

I don't recall a single gay rights protest that made the take-home point that "EVERYBODY IS A DOUCHE!". Neither an abolitionist's writings.

That said, this isn't the topic. Lets bring it back on, yeah?

Okay as a queer person who hangs out with mostly queer people trying to change the system, we say straight people are douches like, all the time.

[Kernen]

I don't recall a single gay rights protest that made the take-home point that "EVERYBODY IS A DOUCHE!". Neither an abolitionist's writings.

That said, this isn't the topic. Lets bring it back on, yeah?

That wasn't that guy's point, either. And isn't the topic about freedom of expression and the validity of such?

Nope. Its about an Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop a flag desecration.

Okay as a queer person who hangs out with mostly queer people trying to change the system, we say straight people are douches like, all the time.

I was talking about formal protests. What you say among yourselves does not meet the general criteria for a formal and public protest.

[LOLAF]

I mean, if I was writing an essay I would be more eloquent, but for shorthand forum arguing, "oppressors are douchebags" sum up decent peoples feelings quickly and accurately.

[Kernen]

I mean, if I was writing an essay I would be more eloquent, but for shorthand forum arguing, "oppressors are douchebags" sum up decent peoples feelings quickly and accurately.

Then perhaps we misunderstood each other. Sorry about that. Nonetheless, you'll get further with reasoned critiques instead of resorting to namecalling, especially on these forums.

[Twilight Imperium]

Nope. Its about an Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop a flag desecration.

Ah, right. If it was just any officer, they'd just be wrong and a tad fascistic, but this one was just being a ridiculous hypocrite.

[Imperializt Russia]

No, she couldn't have. Desecration of the US flag is not illegal.

It's not 'illegal' to desecrate the flag that so many have given their lives to protect, support and defend. Nor should it be: they, WE, fought to give them that right....

On the other hand, those who show such disrespect and contempt should be proud of themselves, proud to be identified and held up to public scrutiny. And THAT, my friend, is the rub! They are not 'proud' of themselves or anything else! They're gutless cowards and the moment they thought that those pictures might be used against them in some way....

Having these pictures, or any pictures "used against them" is also totally not what the constitution is about and their rights should protect them against such acts.

[Kernen]

Nope. Its about an Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop a flag desecration.

Ah, right. If it was just any officer, they'd just be wrong and a tad fascistic, but this one was just being a ridiculous hypocrite.

Considering the act of desecrating a flag is considered the same as any other legal form of expression, I'm not sure how the history of the veteran makes any significant difference to the hypocrisy.

[Twilight Imperium]

Ah, right. If it was just any officer, they'd just be wrong and a tad fascistic, but this one was just being a ridiculous hypocrite.

Considering the act of desecrating a flag is considered the same as any other legal form of expression, I'm not sure how the history of the veteran makes any significant difference to the hypocrisy.

Calling someone out on desecrating a national symbol when you yourself have profited off desecrating a national symbol is hypocrisy, legal or not. It also adds to the douchery inherent in the act, per the landmark Supreme Court ruling United States v. 'Murrican Mud Wrestling, Inc.

[Ifreann]

Look, my fellow Americans. Our country is fucking evil.

Nah, not really. Bit shit on occasion, but hardly evil.

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You really should expect not to get punched in the face for it.

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Oooh, duck.

Yeah... "Duck dinner" is US military slang for "Dishonorable Discharge"...

No delicious birdies to eat? Sad face.

[Kernen]

Calling someone out on desecrating a national symbol when you yourself have profited off desecrating a national symbol is hypocrisy, legal or not. It also adds to the douchery inherent in the act, per the landmark Supreme Court ruling United States v. 'Murrican Mud Wrestling, Inc.

I have never wanted to read a SCOTUS ruling as much as I've wanted to read US v 'Murrican Mud Wrestling, Inc.

[Dyakovo]

Look, my fellow Americans. Our country is fucking evil.

Nah, not really. Bit shit on occasion, but hardly evil.

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Yeah... "Duck dinner" is US military slang for "Dishonorable Discharge"...

No delicious birdies to eat? Sad face.

No birdies to eat, delicious or otherwise.

[Ifreann]

Nah, not really. Bit shit on occasion, but hardly evil.

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No delicious birdies to eat? Sad face.

No birdies to eat, delicious or otherwise.

I may have to rethink my plan to join the US Army and get sent to Leavenworth.

[Twilight Imperium]

Calling someone out on desecrating a national symbol when you yourself have profited off desecrating a national symbol is hypocrisy, legal or not. It also adds to the douchery inherent in the act, per the landmark Supreme Court ruling United States v. 'Murrican Mud Wrestling, Inc.

I have never wanted to read a SCOTUS ruling as much as I've wanted to read US v 'Murrican Mud Wrestling, Inc.

I learned more things about Scalia from that ruling than I ever wanted to know.

[Tekania]

Nah, not really. Bit shit on occasion, but hardly evil.

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No delicious birdies to eat? Sad face.

No birdies to eat, delicious or otherwise.

Well, if you're navy you would definitely be eating your crow.

[Dyakovo]

No birdies to eat, delicious or otherwise.

I may have to rethink my plan to join the US Army and get sent to Leavenworth.

Good idea.

[Herrebrugh]

My thought is that it is a simple piece of cloth, and you should be able to "desecrate" it as much as you should be able to "desecrate" a common kitchen towel.

[Wombocombo]

My thought is that it is a simple piece of cloth, and you should be able to "desecrate" it as much as you should be able to "desecrate" a common kitchen towel.

You can. Legal form of expression and what not.