Air Force vet arrested for trying to stop flag desecration

[-The West Coast-]

You burn a flag respectfully when its decommissioned. There are rules and regulations for properly burning an American flag upon decommission. Burning a flag disrespectfully and reprehensibly is what protesters.

Which was not a difference you bothered making.

A flag is a symbol. It is important, but the ideals it stands for superseded the mere cloth. Destroying a symbol is an entirely amoral action in the abstract. Even in context, nothing immoral occurred here, because nobody's rights were violated and nobody harmed.

Nothing immoral occurred there? Besides the fact people desecrated the flag and a veteran doing her unspoken duty to her country was hauled away in handcuffs? Sure, man.

[Fartsniffage]

Those who would make flag desecration illegal show far less respect for the values that flag represents than these protestors ever could. This vet in this news article is worse than the protestors.

That veteran is a patriot. Those who would destroy our greatest symbol are disturbed and of low moral character. She should be lauded for her actions; she did her duty to her country even after she took off the uniform.

Yes, she took off that uniform repeatedly by all accounts...

[The Black Forrest]

No, she definitely is not a patriot, seeing as she has no respect for the constitutionally guaranteed rights of others. Also, just a little FYI: both Tekania and myself are veterans.

She has more respect for the country and flag she served than either of you have, apparently. Also, just a little FYI: I'm a currently serving soldier.

Your ITG powers will not work here.

Then stop responding to my supposed "ITG posts" with your spammy responses that have nothing to do with the topic.

And your ITG threats do?

It's a symbol of freedom and you will beat the shit out of people if they don't believe it?

[-The West Coast-]

That veteran is a patriot. Those who would destroy our greatest symbol are disturbed and of low moral character. She should be lauded for her actions; she did her duty to her country even after she took off the uniform.

Yes, she took off that uniform repeatedly by all accounts...

What gives you the right to judge what a woman does with her own body on her own time?

[Imperializt Russia]

Those who would make flag desecration illegal show far less respect for the values that flag represents than these protestors ever could. This vet in this news article is worse than the protestors.

That veteran is a patriot. Those who would destroy our greatest symbol are disturbed and of low moral character. She should be lauded for her actions; she did her duty to her country even after she took off the uniform.

People who would so furiously defend the scrap of cloth that is the American national flag are probably "disturbed and of low moral character" because they clearly have nothing more deserving of investing their misplaced sense of nationalism.

It's a flag. It's some cloth.
What one defends is the values of the nation behind the flag.
Using the threat of violence over people perceived to be "disrespectful" to this item of cloth, apparently itself deserving of respect in all contexts, is assuredly not one of the values of the nation behind the flag.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes, she took off that uniform repeatedly by all accounts...

What gives you the right to judge what a woman does with her own body on her own time?

Ask the people who demoted her.

[-The West Coast-]

That veteran is a patriot. Those who would destroy our greatest symbol are disturbed and of low moral character. She should be lauded for her actions; she did her duty to her country even after she took off the uniform.

People who would so furiously defend the scrap of cloth that is the American national flag are probably "disturbed and of low moral character" because they clearly have nothing more deserving of investing their misplaced sense of nationalism.

It's a flag. It's some cloth.
What one defends is the values of the nation behind the flag.
Using the threat of violence over people perceived to be "disrespectful" to this item of cloth, apparently itself deserving of respect in all contexts, is assuredly not one of the values of the nation behind the flag.

I would die to protect the American flag from even touching the ground. I don't care if you don't care about your country, I care about the country that raised me, that educated me, that fed me. I would do anything to protect her and the symbols of her government.

[Dyakovo]

No, she definitely is not a patriot, seeing as she has no respect for the constitutionally guaranteed rights of others. Also, just a little FYI: both Tekania and myself are veterans.

She has more respect for the country and flag she served than either of you have, apparently. Also, just a little FYI: I'm a currently serving soldier.

No, she doesn't. Desecration of the flag is a constitutionally protected form of expression. Using violence to stop people from exercising their rights is never appropriate, and the fact that you would do so as a member of the armed forces says that you are a disgrace to your service. You swore an oath to defend the constitution, you should consider trying to abide by your oath.

[Ifreann]

No, she definitely is not a patriot, seeing as she has no respect for the constitutionally guaranteed rights of others. Also, just a little FYI: both Tekania and myself are veterans.

She has more respect for the country and flag she served than either of you have, apparently. Also, just a little FYI: I'm a currently serving soldier.

Maybe you recall your oath of enlistment, which I am given to understand that airmen also take. Do you remember it mentioning something the US constitution? Defending it, perhaps?

[New Frenco Empire]

Yes, she took off that uniform repeatedly by all accounts...

What gives you the right to judge what a woman does with her own body on her own time?

It's a good thing the flag wasn't a part of her own body or her own time, then.

[Fartsniffage]

Yes, she took off that uniform repeatedly by all accounts...

What gives you the right to judge what a woman does with her own body on her own time?

I don't care what a woman does with her own body in her own time. I do care when they disgrace the uniform, as did the air force.

[-The West Coast-]

She has more respect for the country and flag she served than either of you have, apparently. Also, just a little FYI: I'm a currently serving soldier.

No, she doesn't. Desecration of the flag is a constitutionally protected form of expression. Using violence to stop people from exercising their rights is never appropriate, and the fact that you would do so as a member of the armed forces says that you are a disgrace to your service. You swore an oath to defend the constitution, you should consider trying to abide by your oath.

I stand by my oath, I protect and serve my country. I draw the line at protecting people who desecrate the symbol of the nation I swore to protect.

[Imperializt Russia]

People who would so furiously defend the scrap of cloth that is the American national flag are probably "disturbed and of low moral character" because they clearly have nothing more deserving of investing their misplaced sense of nationalism.

It's a flag. It's some cloth.
What one defends is the values of the nation behind the flag.
Using the threat of violence over people perceived to be "disrespectful" to this item of cloth, apparently itself deserving of respect in all contexts, is assuredly not one of the values of the nation behind the flag.

I would die to protect the American flag from even touching the ground. I don't care if you don't care about your country, I care about the country that raised me, that educated me, that fed me. I would do anything to protect her and the symbols of her government.

I feel much the same about my country.

I just have much more appropriate symbols than flags to invest that sense in. Many of them are metaphorical, in that they are what I perceive as British values. One of the others is the Sovereign.

[Kernen]

Which was not a difference you bothered making.

A flag is a symbol. It is important, but the ideals it stands for superseded the mere cloth. Destroying a symbol is an entirely amoral action in the abstract. Even in context, nothing immoral occurred here, because nobody's rights were violated and nobody harmed.

Nothing immoral occurred there? Besides the fact people desecrated the flag and a veteran doing her unspoken duty to her country was hauled away in handcuffs? Sure, man.

There is no unspoken duty to interfere in others' freedom of speech. She was arrested for interfering in a legal protest. That is justice.

Nobody was being harmed by the protest. Being offended is not a harm, which I would expect a soldier in the service of the United States to understand. Provocation is no excuse for dishonorable behavior. Soldiers and officers alike are held to a higher standard of behavior.

[New Frenco Empire]

People who would so furiously defend the scrap of cloth that is the American national flag are probably "disturbed and of low moral character" because they clearly have nothing more deserving of investing their misplaced sense of nationalism.

It's a flag. It's some cloth.
What one defends is the values of the nation behind the flag.
Using the threat of violence over people perceived to be "disrespectful" to this item of cloth, apparently itself deserving of respect in all contexts, is assuredly not one of the values of the nation behind the flag.

I would die to protect the American flag from even touching the ground. I don't care if you don't care about your country, I care about the country that raised me, that educated me, that fed me. I would do anything to protect her and the symbols of her government.

That's nice. Me? I would spend more time trying to protect the values that flag represents. Without those values, you're just defending a scrap of cloth.

[The Wounded Love]

Why is there no source on original post for article..?

[Dyakovo]

People who would so furiously defend the scrap of cloth that is the American national flag are probably "disturbed and of low moral character" because they clearly have nothing more deserving of investing their misplaced sense of nationalism.

It's a flag. It's some cloth.
What one defends is the values of the nation behind the flag.
Using the threat of violence over people perceived to be "disrespectful" to this item of cloth, apparently itself deserving of respect in all contexts, is assuredly not one of the values of the nation behind the flag.

I would die to protect the American flag from even touching the ground. I don't care if you don't care about your country, I care about the country that raised me, that educated me, that fed me. I would do anything to protect her and the symbols of her government.

You obviously care more about a piece of cloth than you do about the nation it represents and the values enshrined in the constitution.

[Ifreann]

People who would so furiously defend the scrap of cloth that is the American national flag are probably "disturbed and of low moral character" because they clearly have nothing more deserving of investing their misplaced sense of nationalism.

It's a flag. It's some cloth.
What one defends is the values of the nation behind the flag.
Using the threat of violence over people perceived to be "disrespectful" to this item of cloth, apparently itself deserving of respect in all contexts, is assuredly not one of the values of the nation behind the flag.

I would die to protect the American flag from even touching the ground. I don't care if you don't care about your country, I care about the country that raised me, that educated me, that fed me. I would do anything to protect her and the symbols of her government.

I imagine the army would be most displeased if their soldiers threw their lives away over such silly things.

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No, she doesn't. Desecration of the flag is a constitutionally protected form of expression. Using violence to stop people from exercising their rights is never appropriate, and the fact that you would do so as a member of the armed forces says that you are a disgrace to your service. You swore an oath to defend the constitution, you should consider trying to abide by your oath.

I stand by my oath, I protect and serve my country. I draw the line at protecting people who desecrate the symbol of the nation I swore to protect.

Did you make an oath to only protect your country as long as the people there keep their politics within limits you approve of?

[-The West Coast-]

Nothing immoral occurred there? Besides the fact people desecrated the flag and a veteran doing her unspoken duty to her country was hauled away in handcuffs? Sure, man.

There is no unspoken duty to interfere in others' freedom of speech. She was arrested for interfering in a legal protest. That is justice.

Nobody was being harmed by the protest. Being offended is not a harm, which I would expect a soldier in the service of the United States to understand. Provocation is no excuse for dishonorable behavior. Soldiers and officers alike are held to a higher standard of behavior.

Its never dishonorable to protect one's flag.

[Scandinavian Nations]

I stand by my oath, I protect and serve my country. I draw the line at protecting people who desecrate the symbol of the nation I swore to protect.

So don't.

Really, if so many people in the US want to see it destroyed, maybe it's for the better. Maybe it will be better off as 50 individual states, with open borders like in the EU.

[Dyakovo]

No, she doesn't. Desecration of the flag is a constitutionally protected form of expression. Using violence to stop people from exercising their rights is never appropriate, and the fact that you would do so as a member of the armed forces says that you are a disgrace to your service. You swore an oath to defend the constitution, you should consider trying to abide by your oath.

I stand by my oath, I protect and serve my country. I draw the line at protecting people who desecrate the symbol of the nation I swore to protect.

So, in other words, you do not stand by your oath...

[Wisconsin9]

I stand by my oath, I protect and serve my country. I draw the line at protecting people who desecrate the symbol of the nation I swore to protect.

So don't.

Really, if so many people in the US want to see it destroyed, maybe it's for the better. Maybe it will be better off as 50 individual states, with open borders like in the EU.

Burning the flag=/=hating America.

[Kernen]

Its never dishonorable to protect one's flag.

It is absolutely dishonorable to discard the rights of the citizens, enshrined by the Constitution that you and she both swore to uphold and protect. She could have voiced her opinion without violating their rights.

[-The West Coast-]

I stand by my oath, I protect and serve my country. I draw the line at protecting people who desecrate the symbol of the nation I swore to protect.

So, in other words, you do not stand by your oath...

I just said, I stand by it. I've never broken my oath and I never will. I do not consider burning the flag to be a lawful action, a lawful protest. So I would prevent such things before it happens.

[Dyakovo]

There is no unspoken duty to interfere in others' freedom of speech. She was arrested for interfering in a legal protest. That is justice.

Nobody was being harmed by the protest. Being offended is not a harm, which I would expect a soldier in the service of the United States to understand. Provocation is no excuse for dishonorable behavior. Soldiers and officers alike are held to a higher standard of behavior.

Its never dishonorable to protect one's flag.

Absolute bullshit. Breaking the law to violate another person's freedom of expression is most certainly dishonorable.