Bible citations on military gun sights

[Zarabad]

i heard that they were verse numbers.. and so what... America is a predominantly christian country...

[Gauthier]

i heard that they were verse numbers.. and so what... America is a predominantly christian country...

As it's been said before, it'll really make the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan all the more easy and successful when insurgents and terrorists can use these firearms as "proof" to the ordinary quiet Muslims that America is really trying to destroy Islam and impose Christianity on everyone there.

[Third Spanish States]

I was thinking this thread was about an "unique interpretation" of versicles in the Bible or Biblical Codes mentioning gun sights from the aliens or something equally lolworthy.

[Ashmoria]

Haven't you been watching the news. We kill the "insert enemy" number 2 guy in "insert nation" every other week. While I would like to see us take out the main guys, i.e. bin Laden, Zawahiri, Saif Saif al-Din al-Ansari al-Adel, etc..., to eliminate it's main organization, it is now a multi-headed beast. Many different groups have linked themselves to or taken up the name al qaeda. Only they and hopefully our intelligence organizations know where one starts and another begins.

dont forget the poor #3 guys. we killed so many of those that terrorist organizations no longer HAVE a #3 guy. it goes right from #2 to #4. (and they gave up wearing red shirts too)

[Neu Mitanni]

The only other thing I can say is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZs61VCJvTg

[Maurepas]

Who said anything about the Taliban? I was talking about Al-Qaeda...

Same difference.

Taliban is an islamic fundamentalist militia from regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Al qaeda is a terrorist organization that originally design to over throw the monarchy of Saudi Arabia and push out non-islamic influences. It is now a band of loosely connected terrorist organizations that support setting up islamic state and pushing out non-islamic influences. Kind of like how right wing christians in the U.S. want to establish a christian government and push out non-christian influences.

Doesn't sound like the SF could singe-handedly annihilate Al-Qaeda, to me.

I was thinking more along the lines of get Al-Qaeda's leading members, come home, and impose stricter security...

Haven't you been watching the news. We kill the "insert enemy" number 2 guy in "insert nation" every other week. While I would like to see us take out the main guys, i.e. bin Laden, Zawahiri, Saif Saif al-Din al-Ansari al-Adel, etc..., to eliminate it's main organization, it is now a multi-headed beast. Many different groups have linked themselves to or taken up the name al qaeda. Only they and hopefully our intelligence organizations know where one starts and another begins.

Which was just such a huge waste of time, and nine times outta ten makes the problem worse, I dont see why we bother with it...

[North Suran]

The only other thing I can say is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZs61VCJvTg

Thank God that Our Lord Jesus praised a doctrine of hate and warfare, rather than - say - peace and tolerance.

Wait a minute...

[Gauthier]

The only other thing I can say is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZs61VCJvTg

Thank God that Our Lord Jesus praised a doctrine of hate and warfare, rather than - say - peace and tolerance.

Wait a minute...

Hey, I thought it was supposed to be Doze Ebil Mozlemz that praised war and violence in the name of religion. What gives?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Just as a side question, I wonder if the FACOGs also have this marking.

[Dragontide]

Not a good idea to even give the hint of "My God is better than your God" to an enemy. But then again, something along the lines of sending Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps into a war zone would be a good idea.

[Mean Feat]

I was thinking this thread was about an "unique interpretation" of versicles in the Bible or Biblical Codes mentioning gun sights from the aliens or something equally lolworthy.

Ashmoria's post is about as funny as it gets in this thread.

What part of the thread title made you think "hey, there will be lolworthy versicles in this one" ?

[Milks Empire]

Not a good idea to even give the hint of "My God is better than your God" to an enemy. But then again, something along the lines of sending Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps into a war zone would be a good idea.

Airlift those two and the rest of the fundie bigmouths to northwestern Pakistan. No more bigmouth fundie problem. *nods*

[Maurepas]

Not a good idea to even give the hint of "My God is better than your God" to an enemy. But then again, something along the lines of sending Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps into a war zone would be a good idea.

Airlift those two and the rest of the fundie bigmouths to northwestern Pakistan. No more bigmouth fundie problem. *nods*

Psh, you say that now, then they all change their name to Mohammed, and we've given them our ass on a platter,

[Alsatian Knights]

Just as a side question, I wonder if the FACOGs also have this marking.

Fellow of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists? Kinda a weird thing to do that to people...

[Krazniastan]

Just as a side question, I wonder if the FACOGs also have this marking.

Some of them do. Some don't.

for the uninformed FACOG = slang term for a Fake ACOG. IE an airsoft knock off. Since the real ACOG runs anywhere from $950-$1900 new, and $750-$1400 used, there is a large market for these fakes for use on toys. They duplicate the appearence pretty well, but not the quality, reliability, or repeatability. Nor do they have the tritium or Fiber optic features.

[Vetalia]

You know, if you get pissed off enough to shoot at somebody because of a Bible verse in the serial number of their scope, you should probably be killed because it's unlikely you're anything more than a worthless religious fanatic with no future. I don't think we're going to win over their hearts and minds, to say the least.

[Lelouche]

Can't say I approve

Religion and War should be separate

Not surprised however

Religion and War, have always been butt buddies

[Lord Tothe]

I really think that imprinting religious references on a weapon of statist warfare is in poor taste. All wars are purely political in nature, and the twisting of religion is the method used to persuade the masses that the war is something other than political in nature. Since a scope can be used for either military or sporting purposes, I don't think it's wrong to stamp these messages, but the company clearly derives more support from the state than from God. I would have to say that from that standpoint, they could arguably be guilty of breaking commandments 1, 3, 6, and 8 at the very least.

[Vetalia]

I really think that imprinting religious references on a weapon of statist warfare is in poor taste. All wars are purely political in nature, and the twisting of religion is the method used to persuade the masses that the war is something other than political in nature. Since a scope can be used for either military or sporting purposes, I don't think it's wrong to stamp these messages, but the company clearly derives more support from the state than from God. I would have to say that from that standpoint, they could arguably be guilty of breaking commandments 1, 3, 6, and 8 at the very least.

I'm curious as to what the verses are. That being said, if it pisses off religious fanatics in Afghanistan and lets us kill them faster, I can't complain...those savages inflicted untold suffering on millions of people for decades and it's time to finally end them.

[Paradoxany]

I don't see what the big deal is. If I was in the military I doubt I'd even notice those little letters... Let alone know what they mean.

[Ralkovia]

The Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight rifle sights used by New Zealand troops, which allow them to pinpoint tragets day or night, carried references to Bible verses that appeared in raised lettering at the end of the sight stock number.

Markings included "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.

The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ," the King James version reads.

I think the only people who could construe this to be offensive are the ignorant, easily angered, or fearful. If you should read the verses they use one would see that they are using ones that directly refer to the purpose of a scope. Especially one that allows pin point targeting in day or night. Its intent is not for a holy war but to say,"Hey look at this unique and cool thing we do."

I think that if it was referring to verses that had nothing to do with what a scope does it could be seen as religious extremism(and even then only by people who are easily offended) Its not like the bible hasn't been used for war either. I take this as a good sign as well. I mean if the creator of the scope cares so much about it as to inscribe on it at extra cost a reference to a specific verse than you should take pride in using it. Seriously, I would much rather use a scope that is not just generically generated. This company cares about its scopes. I'm Jewish, on a scale of offensive this barely scratches a .0000000000000001. I would in fact make sure to use this scope from now on. Its not like the inscription changes the dynamics of the scope.

[Lord Tothe]

I really think that imprinting religious references on a weapon of statist warfare is in poor taste. All wars are purely political in nature, and the twisting of religion is the method used to persuade the masses that the war is something other than political in nature. Since a scope can be used for either military or sporting purposes, I don't think it's wrong to stamp these messages, but the company clearly derives more support from the state than from God. I would have to say that from that standpoint, they could arguably be guilty of breaking commandments 1, 3, 6, and 8 at the very least.

I'm curious as to what the verses are. That being said, if it pisses off religious fanatics in Afghanistan and lets us kill them faster, I can't complain...those savages inflicted untold suffering on millions of people for decades and it's time to finally end them.

1. The commandments were against holding any god above God, using God's name in vain/swearing/otherwise profaning the holy, murder, and theft.
2. Most of the casualties have been innocent civilians.
3. Most of the hijackers were Saudis

[Vetalia]

1. The commandments were against holding any god above God, using God's name in vain/swearing/otherwise profaning the holy, murder, and theft.
2. Most of the casualties have been innocent civilians.
3. Most of the hijackers were Saudis

Well, innocent civilians are a deplorable loss. That's just plain unacceptable...

That being said, I would have no qualms about stringing every one of those Saudi bastards up, to be quite honest. They're some of the most repulsive scum on the planet...at least the Taliban was morally consistent. Seeing our leaders bow to them is disgusting.

[Krazniastan]

I'm curious as to what the verses are. That being said, if it pisses off religious fanatics in Afghanistan and lets us kill them faster, I can't complain...those savages inflicted untold suffering on millions of people for decades and it's time to finally end them.

The verses all refrenced light and darkness, fitting with the companies use of tritium and other non electronic methods of illuminating the optic's reticle for use in dark/poorly illuminated areas.

[Mushet]

I think unless you're a theocracy or something it's okay, but I don't think the US should issue military weapons with bible verses inscripted on them, but they should allow the soldiers to do it if they want to their own weapons