Bible citations on military gun sights

[Krazniastan]

What the......



Bible Citations?!?!?!?

Since when did the Bible say, "Put this Scripture on your gun and kill peoples?"

I think the closest you can get is Luke 22:36, which is:

"whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one."

[Dhammonia]

next time they better stamp some cool lyrics on them!

"I'm on the highway to hell!"

[Namabia]

What the......



Bible Citations?!?!?!?

Since when did the Bible say, "Put this Scripture on your gun and kill peoples?"

I think the closest you can get is Luke 22:36, which is:

"whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one."

Never said that you had to kill someone with it. Remember in those days the Romans even though loving, hated the Middle Eastern Nations. That includes Israel. And Israel hated them.

[Geogrania]

I'm a christian.
I'm enlisting in the United States Marine Corp.
and do i want a rifle scope with biblical verses on it? yes.
i want to be reminded of why i am fighting, i want to be reminded that the freedoms i enjoy in my country (particularly the freedom of religion) are freedoms that i will fight, and if God deems it, die for. it New Zealand does not want the inscriptions on the scopes, that is fine. but i applaud the company that makes them for sticking to their beliefs and putting them on their product. i hope i get a "Holy" scope on my rifle.OORAH!!!

[Uawc]

Ignoring the whole government/religion debate, what do you think about stamping Bible verses on weapons?

I don't really care.

[Tagmatium]

7.) Why is only offensive when we stick an almost indecipherable Christian refrence in a small, hard to see location on a piece of kit, but it's considered Cultural, and 'we need to embrace it', when Harry Ha. . er, a terrorist wraps himself in a holy shroud and blows himself up in a crowded market, killing a bunch of innocent people in the hopes of taking a single 'infidel with him? Double standard anyone?

Why is it that people jump to the extreme in making their argument, under the assumption that it makes their argument, rather than making them look like idiots?

Has anyone, ever, defending the suicide bombing of innocent civilians as a legitimate expression of culture whilst being serious and/or not a extremist demagogue?

[The Alma Mater]

What the......



Bible Citations?!?!?!?

Since when did the Bible say, "Put this Scripture on your gun and kill peoples?"

I think the closest you can get is Luke 22:36, which is:

"whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one."

Or perhaps:

Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come.

[Flameswroth]

A valid point. Removing them is indeed too late now.
Putting them on in the first place remains stupid however - which was my claim

Fair enough, though if no one had ever pointed it out so publicly they'd have never known either. But that's far less fool-proof than never having had them in the first place, I admit.

[Tagmatium]

Never said that you had to kill someone with it. Remember in those days the Romans even though loving, hated the Middle Near Eastern Nations. That includes Israel. And Israel hated them.

Rome didn't "hate" the near eastern nations. Half the time, they were "in there" for exactly the same reasons that modern day nations are - they had something shiny, and the Romans wanted it. Religious war was something of an unknown, a lot of the time, at this point.

EDIT: If that's what you meant, because your sentence structure is somewhat off.

[Wallonochia]

To remove these, you are going to have to use a grinder, on an area of the scope that really, really isn't going to react well to being ground on. As stated before, the housing is an Aluminum forging, and the letters are raised.

I'm aware of where the marking is, I'm sure I've seen it many times and just assumed it was part of the serial number. I do find it quite humorous that nobody in my unit made the connection.

I'm less concerned about currently issued ACOGs, even though I'm sure they have ways to remove it, than with new ones.

I've sold a number of these to deploying troops just because of these markings.

Those troops that order those because of the markings are probably the same douchebags who wear "Major League Infidel" shirts and wear the "Pork Eating Crusader" morale patch. They need to grow the fuck up.

Point is, they're already trying to kill us, who gives a shit if we piss them off more?

Strange, I've come across literally thousands of Muslims in the two years I spent in Iraq who didn't try to kill me.

[Zachtung]

I thought it was kinda cool, like that sniper from Saving Private Ryan reading passages before murdering the Nazis..

[Krazniastan]

Because the US-led coalition isn't fighting every single Muslim in the world.

Nor is every single serving soldier a Christian.

I don;t think you realize that those who are going to fight, are going to fight sooner or later. If its because of this marking now, or in a year after more drivel and propaganda from the violent radicals which have hijacked Islam, sooner or later we will be fighting them. If you want to blame someone, blame the 'holy men' who are keeping their followers in the 16th century just so they don't have to give up their power and control. They corrupt a peaceful religion for their own selfish, twisted means.


And part of being an American is religious freedom. If you don't like a bible code on your scope, thats fine. But the manufacturer put it there, (As they have a right to, Freedom of Speech, Religion, and Press remember.) so either don't look at it, live with it, or don't use it. (Last one won't happen, cause the ACOG is really that good.)

[Krazniastan]

Why is it that people jump to the extreme in making their argument, under the assumption that it makes their argument, rather than making them look like idiots?

Has anyone, ever, defending the suicide bombing of innocent civilians as a legitimate expression of culture whilst being serious and/or not a extremist demagogue?

Swing and a miss there.

I was trying to make the point that the enemy already uses Religious texts, markings, symbols, and beliefs on their weapons. They already believe its a Holy War. So why is it when someone on our side does the same thing, and only gets a stink raised after they've been doing it for 20 years in a small, inconspicuous area, and never publicized it?

[Tagmatium]

Swing and a miss there.

I was trying to make the point that the enemy already uses Religious texts, markings, symbols, and beliefs on their weapons. They already believe its a Holy War. So why is it when someone on our side does the same thing, and only gets a stink raised after they've been doing it for 20 years in a small, inconspicuous area, and never publicized it?

Didn't read that way to me.

And I'd rather that this whole bollocks Holy War thing wasn't reciprocated, especially since it was originally supposed to be about either WMDs or the Taleban, not shooting the fuckers because they don't share the same religion as the West.

[The Alma Mater]

Why is it that people jump to the extreme in making their argument, under the assumption that it makes their argument, rather than making them look like idiots?

Has anyone, ever, defending the suicide bombing of innocent civilians as a legitimate expression of culture whilst being serious and/or not a extremist demagogue?

Swing and a miss there.

I was trying to make the point that the enemy already uses Religious texts, markings, symbols, and beliefs on their weapons. They already believe its a Holy War. So why is it when someone on our side does the same thing, and only gets a stink raised after they've been doing it for 20 years in a small, inconspicuous area, and never publicized it?

Because our side denies the holy war aspect.

[Chumblywumbly]

I don;t think you realize that those who are going to fight, are going to fight sooner or later. If its because of this marking now, or in a year after more drivel and propaganda from the violent radicals which have hijacked Islam, sooner or later we will be fighting them.

Are you seriously contending that 1.5 billion followers of the Islamic faith, from all walks of life, will soon be fighting the US an her allies?

And part of being an American is religious freedom.

I don't see how religious freedom translates into equipping the State's armed forces with arms inscribed in (allusions to) religious texts.

[Krazniastan]

I'm aware of where the marking is, I'm sure I've seen it many times and just assumed it was part of the serial number. I do find it quite humorous that nobody in my unit made the connection.

I'm less concerned about currently issued ACOGs, even though I'm sure they have ways to remove it, than with new ones.

To change it on new ones is a massive headache. It means changing the Forging dies, which basically means scrapping the old ones and making new ones. . . .

Those troops that order those because of the markings are probably the same douchebags who wear "Major League Infidel" shirts and wear the "Pork Eating Crusader" morale patch. They need to grow the fuck up.

Probably. Then again, humor is one of the more effective ways of dealing with combat stresses, and keeping your sanity.

But this brake is more common on shorter barrelled guns, IE the 10.5 and the 10.3's because it increases the back pressure in the gas system, which helps the cycling of the gun. Means you don't have to tinker with enlarging the gas port, or using a specialized buffer/spring, or a nonstandard Bolt Group.

Strange, I've come across literally thousands of Muslims in the two years I spent in Iraq who didn't try to kill me.

Good for you. I meant the ones who were already trying to kill you. I mean, what is the next stage of hatred after the 'I hate you so much I'm going to kill you!' stage?

[Top Dawgg]

I'm a christian.
I'm enlisting in the United States Marine Corp.
and do i want a rifle scope with biblical verses on it? yes.
i want to be reminded of why i am fighting, i want to be reminded that the freedoms i enjoy in my country (particularly the freedom of religion) are freedoms that i will fight, and if God deems it, die for. it New Zealand does not want the inscriptions on the scopes, that is fine. but i applaud the company that makes them for sticking to their beliefs and putting them on their product. i hope i get a "Holy" scope on my rifle.OORAH!!!

OORAH!!! Semper Fidelis Brother.

[Geogrania]

I'm a christian.
I'm enlisting in the United States Marine Corp.
and do i want a rifle scope with biblical verses on it? yes.
i want to be reminded of why i am fighting, i want to be reminded that the freedoms i enjoy in my country (particularly the freedom of religion) are freedoms that i will fight, and if God deems it, die for. it New Zealand does not want the inscriptions on the scopes, that is fine. but i applaud the company that makes them for sticking to their beliefs and putting them on their product. i hope i get a "Holy" scope on my rifle.OORAH!!!

OORAH!!! Semper Fidelis Brother.

I can't wait to earn that title.
besides the day i became a Christian that will be the proudest moment of my life.

Semper Fidelis =]

[The Southern Dictators]

Well, it's the company who makes the gun sights problem. They put the verses.
Not really something to get all "pissed" about, scratch the verses off or just order the sights without the verses.

[Geogrania]

Well, it's the company who makes the gun sights problem. They put the verses.
Not really something to get all "pissed" about, scratch the verses off or just order the sights without the verses.

i like the way this guy thinks

[Wallonochia]

To change it on new ones is a massive headache. It means changing the Forging dies, which basically means scrapping the old ones and making new ones. . . .

I'm sure it is, but

Probably. Then again, humor is one of the more effective ways of dealing with combat stresses, and keeping your sanity.

I'm well aware of that, I earned my CAB.

But this brake is more common on shorter barrelled guns, IE the 10.5 and the 10.3's because it increases the back pressure in the gas system, which helps the cycling of the gun. Means you don't have to tinker with enlarging the gas port, or using a specialized buffer/spring, or a nonstandard Bolt Group.

Lots of guys I know have similar brakes, just without the juvenile artwork.

Good for you. I meant the ones who were already trying to kill you. I mean, what is the next stage of hatred after the 'I hate you so much I'm going to kill you!' stage?

Those aren't the ones I'm concerned about pissing off, it's the ones who are at the "I don't particularly care for you but I'm not angry enough to do anything about it yet" stage. As for what stage comes next it's usually the "I've got several 5.56mm holes in me" stage.

[Krazniastan]

Didn't read that way to me.

And I'd rather that this whole bollocks Holy War thing wasn't reciprocated, especially since it was originally supposed to be about either WMDs or the Taleban, not shooting the fuckers because they don't share the same religion as the West.

Well, I explained it. Or at least attempted to.

We don't see it as a fight between religions. However, they DO. So why continue to delude ourselves with "they are fighting us cause we invaded" line, and admit that they would be fighting us even if we weren't in Afghanistan or Iraq?

[Wallonochia]

We don't see it as a fight between religions. However, they DO. So why continue to delude ourselves with "they are fighting us cause we invaded" line, and admit that they would be fighting us even if we weren't in Afghanistan or Iraq?

99% of them wouldn't be fighting us, if for no other reason than it's a long, long swim over here. Also, many of them only came after us because we invaded and they were convinced by Al Qaeda and others that the US was initiating another Crusade and that it was the duty of all Muslims to oppose us. For many the US invasion of Iraq was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.

[Tagmatium]

Well, I explained it. Or at least attempted to.

We don't see it as a fight between religions. However, they DO. So why continue to delude ourselves with "they are fighting us cause we invaded" line, and admit that they would be fighting us even if we weren't in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Scratch the first bit, down to miscommunication between the two of us.

Anyways, I'm not saying we ought to delude ourselves by saying that they don't think that what they're doing is a Holy War, because that's blatantly not true. To many, it is a Holy War with parallels to the Crusades.

I'm saying we ought not reciprocate what they're doing, and we start to define it as what we're doing is a Holy War, if you follow. Because that's a shitter reason that the whole WMDs fabrication.