Christian Discussion Thread V

[Benuty]

Okay, gonna try to get a discussion going.


VOOODOOO! How do you feel about it? Is it Christian? Sinful? P-word?

I would say it was wasn't Christian, neither is it outright Polytheism (since they have a Supreme Creator in the religion). The loa are essentially a mixture of saints, and other traditional figures worthy of serving as mediators to the unknowable creator (thus they actually pray to them not in the sense of outright worship). Mind you there are several types of Voodoo the majority one I described is Haitian Vodou (that is how they spell it).

[Tarsonis Survivors]

It would be more like 1000 or more if you count the Apocrypha, and the New Testament.

So, 1000 mitzvah? Oh, that's new.

Good round number

[Coulee Croche]

Ok on another topic. Judas, what do you think of him?

On one hand, he was prophecised to betray Jesus, and in turn he (Jesus) would die on the cross for atonement of our sins and that of the whole world. Which is a good thing i suppose

On the other hand he gave into temptation and betrayed Jesus: in guilt he committed suicide. Which is a bad thing

I never actually thought about it until recently, it seems that Judas' betrayal is a mixed bag and i dont know what to think of it.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Ok on another topic. Judas, what do you think of him?

On one hand, he was prophecised to betray Jesus, and in turn he (Jesus) would die on the cross for atonement of our sins and that of the whole world. Which is a good thing i suppose

On the other hand he gave into temptation and betrayed Jesus: in guilt he committed suicide. Which is a bad thing

I never actually thought about it until recently, it seems that Judas' betrayal is a mixed bag and i dont know what to think of it.

Proof that God can use evil things for good purposes.

[Robert Magoo]

Ok on another topic. Judas, what do you think of him?

On one hand, he was prophecised to betray Jesus, and in turn he (Jesus) would die on the cross for atonement of our sins and that of the whole world. Which is a good thing i suppose

On the other hand he gave into temptation and betrayed Jesus: in guilt he committed suicide. Which is a bad thing

I never actually thought about it until recently, it seems that Judas' betrayal is a mixed bag and i dont know what to think of it.

He was still in control of his actions. God is sovereign despite our free will. If he had not betrayed Jesus, the crucifixion would have still happened, just a different way.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

An interesting question. Would Judas have gone to Heaven or Hell?

[Schiltzberg]

In my opinion, it is not necessarily the fact that he betrayed Jesus that he has become so infamous, but rather the fact that he kille himself. It seems like all of the Apostles did or said something stupid at some point, but they all kept faith in Jesus/God, and that is why they are highly regarded to this day. Probably the greatest example of this is Peter. It would have been interesting to see what would have played out had Judas not killed himself. Here is a little something I wrote some time ago about Judas, hope you like it:

You say I am a hypocrite, and so I am;
A hypocrite of shame.
For it was me who killed the lamb;
I am the one to blame.

That night we were together –
That night that was our last.
Nevermore will I be better,
Since that's in my past.

On that night, I knew you,
Now I'm longing for your face.
My lust for money. What to do?
Oh, I'm a big disgrace!

You broke the bread and drank the wine!
Now you're dead, but you're divine!
I look at you on that tree.
What did I do? That should be me.

And the deed is, oh, so great,
With the victory you've won.
I've damned myself with hate.
Oh, look at what I've done!

And the fear so strong,
And the hate so high,
And the day so long,
I just wanna die!

So, I'll take this rope,
And I'll take this lead,
Because I've got no hope,
And I'm gonna be dead.

[Menassa]

Ok on another topic. Judas, what do you think of him?

On one hand, he was prophecised to betray Jesus, and in turn he (Jesus) would die on the cross for atonement of our sins and that of the whole world. Which is a good thing i suppose

On the other hand he gave into temptation and betrayed Jesus: in guilt he committed suicide. Which is a bad thing

I never actually thought about it until recently, it seems that Judas' betrayal is a mixed bag and i dont know what to think of it.

Carl Anderson 10/10.

[Shaggai]

Ok on another topic. Judas, what do you think of him?

On one hand, he was prophecised to betray Jesus, and in turn he (Jesus) would die on the cross for atonement of our sins and that of the whole world. Which is a good thing i suppose

On the other hand he gave into temptation and betrayed Jesus: in guilt he committed suicide. Which is a bad thing

I never actually thought about it until recently, it seems that Judas' betrayal is a mixed bag and i dont know what to think of it.

Carl Anderson 10/10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-voeq7Cebo

[Menassa]

Carl Anderson 10/10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-voeq7Cebo

Oh stop it you.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

An interesting question. Would Judas have gone to Heaven or Hell?

Hell, he committed suicide.

[Lleu llaw Gyffes]

An interesting question. Would Judas have gone to Heaven or Hell?

Hell, he committed suicide.

So killing yourself is a bigger sin than killing GOD???

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Hell, he committed suicide.

So killing yourself is a bigger sin than killing GOD???

Can one really kill God?

[Confederate Ramenia]

So killing yourself is a bigger sin than killing GOD???

Can one really kill God?

The roman executioners tried. God has free rez tho, only 3 day delay.

[Angleter]

An interesting question. Would Judas have gone to Heaven or Hell?

The betrayal of Christ was a grave sin. We can't completely assume anyone is in Hell, since we don't know whether they truly repented before their death (for Judas, it's implied that he didn't - whereas Peter, of course, did) or, if they committed suicide, what their state of mind was at the time. However, we can probably come closer to making that assumption for Judas than for any other historical figure.

[Efraim-Judah]

Can one really kill God?

The roman executioners tried. God has free rez tho, only 3 day delay.

Yeshua isn't God. It is written by Yeshua himself "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The roman executioners tried. God has free rez tho, only 3 day delay.

Yeshua isn't God. It is written by Yeshua himself "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."

That wasn't a denial

[Tarsonis Survivors]

An interesting question. Would Judas have gone to Heaven or Hell?

The betrayal of Christ was a grave sin. We can't completely assume anyone is in Hell, since we don't know whether they truly repented before their death (for Judas, it's implied that he didn't - whereas Peter, of course, did) or, if they committed suicide, what their state of mind was at the time. However, we can probably come closer to making that assumption for Judas than for any other historical figure.

Can we? If it was Gods plan that Judas betrayed Jesus, that makes judas the most obedient Christian ever

[Efraim-Judah]

Yeshua isn't God. It is written by Yeshua himself "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."

That wasn't a denial

It is written "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That wasn't a denial

It is written "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

That was written 2000 years before Jesus

[Efraim-Judah]

It is written "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

That was written 2000 years before Jesus

Does that matter?

[Benuty]

An interesting question. Would Judas have gone to Heaven or Hell?

Hell, he committed suicide.

So did Maximilian Kolbe, a catholic friar in poland who offered their life in in the place of another man during the Holocaust is in hell? Kolbe survived the other 9 people who went in went them, and the personnel at Auschwitz in order to meet quota offered Kolbe a quicker way to death (possibly out of mercy since they were qualifiable for rights as a German citizen despite the fact they denied it). The man Kolbe replaced lived to be 95 years old. Are you telling me that they are in hell?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That was written 2000 years before Jesus

Does that matter?

Indeed it does, when Moses delivered that, it was true. God was not man. God became man.

[The Alma Mater]

It is written "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

That was written 2000 years before Jesus

No it wasn't. A few centuries earlier at most.

[Angleter]

The betrayal of Christ was a grave sin. We can't completely assume anyone is in Hell, since we don't know whether they truly repented before their death (for Judas, it's implied that he didn't - whereas Peter, of course, did) or, if they committed suicide, what their state of mind was at the time. However, we can probably come closer to making that assumption for Judas than for any other historical figure.

Can we? If it was Gods plan that Judas betrayed Jesus, that makes judas the most obedient Christian ever

God knew that Judas would betray Jesus, and allowed it to happen so that the prophecy would be fulfilled. There's no indication, either from Judas or Jesus or the Gospel narrative, that Judas was specifically commanded by God to betray Jesus (much less that he was aware of such a command). Rather, Judas' conscience is quite obviously not clear, Jesus curses him, and the narrators of Luke and John both associate the betrayal with Satan.