Christian Discussion Thread V

[Tarsonis Survivors]

If you want to break down life to its simplest functions, then what we call life has no intrinsic value. Just a series of molecules moving through space, no different than any other molecules. A living being is indistinguishable from stream of water, an asteroid, or a star.

That does not take away from the meanings we construct for ourselves.

You apparently seem to think so. You're feelings of relief you explain away as a chemical reaction in the brain. As I said if that's the road you want to take, the ultimate end of that logic is that life is meaningless and indistinguishable from the rest of universe. Your thoughts are not your own just a series of electrical impulses and chemical reactions, indistinguishable from any other form of matter. So any meanings we "construct" are just functions of matter in the universe.


Kind of a shitty outlook.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I enjoyed the Book of Eli, which seems to be a religious film.

Yes but it's not as preachy as say the left behind series, Book of Eli is an "on the fence one" because some people hate it and others love it

I enjoyed the twist at the end. I can see how it may come off as "preachy", but it doesn't hold you down and beat you over the head with it like these other movies do.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

How do you know she didn't have a series of extremely convenient (or inconvenient) miracles?

Basically because she's a bitch who know that she would kill her own subjects if she unleash her power but do it anyway because she's fucking selfish. And miracles ain't performed by selfish people.

Plus, the real end of the film should be either her public execution by the "smallfolk" who would have revolted while she was doing her "initiatic journey" with her sis' and the instauration of a republic in a bloodbath; or her murder and the seizing of the throne by people who are afraid of her power and who would put her sis' as a puppet to control the kingdom.

We've already completed this arc of conversation. Let it go.

[Aelex]

We've already completed this arc of conversation. Let it go.

Damn, I wanted to yell out my hartred of disney... T_T

[Tarsonis Survivors]

We've already completed this arc of conversation. Let it go.

Damn, I wanted to yell out my hartred of disney... T_T

You can always protest in front of Disneyland Paris

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

This^, I have no interest in seeing it (much to the surprise of my non-religious friends who thought I would hop on it's bandwagon...) and it seems like it would be kind of like the left behind series (which I watched for it's apocalyptic themes. The religious themes I ignored, I still came away from it like a preacher tied me to a chair and lectured me for 2 days nonstop). Really it's kind of rare for me to like religious movies that are directly religious intentionally, I prefer the ones that use symbolism better or recounting biblical stories. Take for instance the Kingdom Hearts game series, it certainly isn't a Christian work but it has some Christian symbolism (as well as other religion's symbols) and it's a fantastic work. So I'll say the ones that try too hard are the ones that suck, like God's not Dead for this reason.

Seems that you are a "more subtle Christian entertainment person", like me. The Lord of the Rings and Narnia, some other "subtle" Christian literature examples.

And, seriously, Christian symbolism in Kingdom Hearts? ^^

By the way, I was surprised as how the Book of Eli portrayed religion so positively this days.

I also enjoy those kinds of movies. It's also of note that they are the only sort of horror movies that actually scare me to any real degree, because unlike the rest, I actually believe in demonic possession.

Really? O_o

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

All right, I am sure it shows up in Jerome and the Jerusalem Bible. It's not in my NIV or Phillips, and it is not given equal treatment in Nestle Aland greek text.

That's interestig as it appears in my Phillips, NIV, NRSV, KJV, ESV, and my scans of the 1599 Geneva bible, as well as being included in the 28th edition of the NAG.

Editions are keen to note that it's a second century edition to Mark. However as I said, this obsession over the original as being the Authoritative, is entirely a modern concept, one early Christians would reject.

If let's say, someone added on a scriptural work. What kind of criterion do the Early Christians use to judge if that work is still valid?

And, if the Early Christians has no problem with someone adding some minor touches on a work, what would be their reaction be if someone also omitted minor parts of a scriptural work?

[Aelex]

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

Well, even if I do understand the belief in the demons, at least in their methaporic existence, and encompass most of the pagan deity as so; I find kinda weird to think that they can actually possess you litteraly.

[Aelex]

And, seriously, Christian symbolism in Kingdom Hearts? ^^

If people find christian symbolism in Evangelion, I can believe people find christian symbolism in Kindom Heart...

[The Alexanderians]

Seems that you are a "more subtle Christian entertainment person", like me. The Lord of the Rings and Narnia, some other "subtle" Christian literature examples.

And, seriously, Christian symbolism in Kingdom Hearts? ^^

By the way, I was surprised as how the Book of Eli portrayed religion so positively this days.

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

Square Enix is good at putting some in their games intentionally or not.

[Unified Imperial States]

By the way, I was surprised as how the Book of Eli portrayed religion so positively this days.

I wasn't. It showed both sides of the coin. The protector of the faith and the faithful, and then it showed the side that wanted to use it for so many wrong reasons.

[Grand Calvert]

By the way, I was surprised as how the Book of Eli portrayed religion so positively this days.

I wasn't. It showed both sides of the coin. The protector of the faith and the faithful, and then it showed the side that wanted to use it for so many wrong reasons.

Yes, but you'll notice that the protagonist was well-versed in the Bible, but the antagonist was not.

[Robert Magoo]

It may make you anti-Christian. A pro-Christian person defends Christianity.
The movie Frozen promotes sin and defiance of God. One of the villains is a devout Christian. The movie Dogma is also quite anti-Christian. It mocks the whole Christian belief system.

Having a Christian villain doesnt mean the movie is anti-Christian, look at the Hunchback of Notre Dame .

Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous claim to call Frozen anti-Christian when some very significant people behind it are evangelical Christians.

It may not be specifically a Christian film, but it doesn't follow that that somehow makes it anti-Christian.

[Aelex]

Having a Christian villain doesnt mean the movie is anti-Christian, look at the Hunchback of Notre Dame .

Le Bossu de Notre Dame is more a shitty movie and a spit on Hugo's tomb than anything else.
The book, however; is really good.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That's interestig as it appears in my Phillips, NIV, NRSV, KJV, ESV, and my scans of the 1599 Geneva bible, as well as being included in the 28th edition of the NAG.

Editions are keen to note that it's a second century edition to Mark. However as I said, this obsession over the original as being the Authoritative, is entirely a modern concept, one early Christians would reject.

If let's say, someone added on a scriptural work. What kind of criterion do the Early Christians use to judge if that work is still valid?

And, if the Early Christians has no problem with someone adding some minor touches on a work, what would be their reaction be if someone also omitted minor parts of a scriptural work?

Pegged for response when I get a chance

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Having a Christian villain doesnt mean the movie is anti-Christian, look at the Hunchback of Notre Dame .

Le Bossu de Notre Dame is more a shitty movie and a spit on Hugo's tomb than anything else.
The book, however; is really good.

Hellfire is still one of the best villain songs though.

[The Alexanderians]

Having a Christian villain doesnt mean the movie is anti-Christian, look at the Hunchback of Notre Dame .

Le Bossu de Notre Dame is more a shitty movie and a spit on Hugo's tomb than anything else.
The book, however; is really good.

That doesn't alter my point though.

[Benuty]

Having a Christian villain doesnt mean the movie is anti-Christian, look at the Hunchback of Notre Dame .

Le Bossu de Notre Dame is more a shitty movie and a spit on Hugo's tomb than anything else.
The book, however; is really good.

Clearly you've never met a singing Disney villain.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Seems that you are a "more subtle Christian entertainment person", like me. The Lord of the Rings and Narnia, some other "subtle" Christian literature examples.

And, seriously, Christian symbolism in Kingdom Hearts? ^^

By the way, I was surprised as how the Book of Eli portrayed religion so positively this days.

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

Square Enix is good at putting some in their games intentionally or not.

Hmm, Square Enix may be more Christian than I thought

And someone mentioned Evangelion...........

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

Well, even if I do understand the belief in the demons, at least in their methaporic existence, and encompass most of the pagan deity as so; I find kinda weird to think that they can actually possess you litteraly.

We see a lot of literal demonic possession in the Bible, one of the most notable where Christ drove out a demon (they were several demons in all) named Legion in a man and drove it away to a herd of pigs.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Really? O_o

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

Well a Christian certainly can't reject it... that'd be heresy even to most Protestants wouldn't it?

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Belief in demonic possession is more well-established in Christianity than you ever thought...

Well, even if I do understand the belief in the demons, at least in their methaporic existence, and encompass most of the pagan deity as so; I find kinda weird to think that they can actually possess you litteraly.

Our Church has exorcists for a reason

And they are super cool. Like, horror movie cool.

[The Alexanderians]

Well, even if I do understand the belief in the demons, at least in their methaporic existence, and encompass most of the pagan deity as so; I find kinda weird to think that they can actually possess you litteraly.

Our Church has exorcists for a reason

And they are super cool. Like, horror movie cool.

Literally choked on my drink when i read this

[Lleu llaw Gyffes]

Le Bossu de Notre Dame is more a shitty movie and a spit on Hugo's tomb than anything else.
The book, however; is really good.

Clearly you've never met a singing Disney villain.

Victor Hugo's book is Notre Dame de Paris. Do you know what happens on page 42? The first mention of Quasimodo. Fucking Frenchman don't even know what the book is all about.

Disney movie is an awesome tear-jerker. BBC radio 4 play, is much closer to the book and also an awesome tear-jerker. But the book just goes on and on and on.

[Errades]

How do you guys choose to interpret the encounter between the Witch of Endor and King Saul?

[Menassa]

How do you guys choose to interpret the encounter between the Witch of Endor and King Saul?

As Rashi.... hahaha.... but seriously what do you mean by your question?