Christian Discussion Thread V

[Efraim-Judah]

that was easy.

Poof, he's gone.

I am still here.

[Menassa]

Poof, he's gone.

I am still here.

Then respond to what was presented before you.

[Efraim-Judah]

To what are you referring?

He becomes 'all' things to 'all' people.

No! Paul is talking about those who would come to Understand Messiah, the heathen could by no means understand either Adonai or Messiah. Paul is working under the premise that Yeshua is fulfilling the promise of making Abraham a father to many nations.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

He becomes 'all' things to 'all' people.

No! Paul is talking about those who would come to Understand Messiah, the heathen could by no means understand either Adonai or Messiah. Paul is working under the premise that Yeshua is fulfilling the promise of making Abraham a father to many nations.

Your response in no way reflects the passage. Nor does it even really make sense.

[Efraim-Judah]

No! Paul is talking about those who would come to Understand Messiah, the heathen could by no means understand either Adonai or Messiah. Paul is working under the premise that Yeshua is fulfilling the promise of making Abraham a father to many nations.

Your response in no way reflects the passage.

Paul already addresses the pagans and nations in 9:21 b y stating "though I am not free from Gods law"

Believers aren't free from Gods law!

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Your response in no way reflects the passage.

Paul already addresses the pagans and nations in 9:21 b y stating "though I am not free from Gods law"

Believers aren't free from Gods law!

Except anyone with basic comprehension skills can read more than one sentence at a time. The entire chapter, Paul is arguing for himself as an apostle, his rights, his obligations, and his methods. The final paragraph he is illustrating how he brings the Gospel to people. To Jews he approaches them as a Jew. To a Gentile he approaches them as a Gentile. He becomes all things to all peoples. It's a way of saying he tailors the message to the individual, so that they may understand.


Also, I like how you purposefully ignore 9:20 when citing 9:21.

[Efraim-Judah]

Paul already addresses the pagans and nations in 9:21 b y stating "though I am not free from Gods law"

Believers aren't free from Gods law!

Except anyone with basic comprehension skills can read more than one sentence at a time. The entire chapter, Paul is arguing for himself as an apostle, his rights, his obligations, and his methods. The final paragraph he is illustrating how he brings the Gospel to people. To Jews he approaches them as a Jew. To a Gentile he approaches them as a Gentile. He becomes all things to all peoples. It's a way of saying he tailors the message to the individual, so that they may understand.


Also, I like how you purposefully ignore 9:20 when citing 9:21.

Yet even as he attempt to bring people into faith of Messiah Yeshua whether Jew or Gentile he is not free to break God's law.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Except anyone with basic comprehension skills can read more than one sentence at a time. The entire chapter, Paul is arguing for himself as an apostle, his rights, his obligations, and his methods. The final paragraph he is illustrating how he brings the Gospel to people. To Jews he approaches them as a Jew. To a Gentile he approaches them as a Gentile. He becomes all things to all peoples. It's a way of saying he tailors the message to the individual, so that they may understand.


Also, I like how you purposefully ignore 9:20 when citing 9:21.

Yet even as he attempt to bring people into faith of Messiah Yeshua whether Jew or Gentile he is not free to break God's law.

I also like how you ignore my mention of you ignoring verse 9:20.

Paul is not permitted to break faith with Christ and God, true enough. But the God's law, isn't what you're trying to argue it is, which you would know if you acknowledged 9:20's existence.

[Efraim-Judah]

Yet even as he attempt to bring people into faith of Messiah Yeshua whether Jew or Gentile he is not free to break God's law.

I also like how you ignore my mention of you ignoring verse 9:20.

Paul is not permitted to break faith with Christ and God, true enough. But the God's law, isn't what you're trying to argue it is, which you would know if you acknowledged 9:20's existence.

Where in 9:20 does it say he is free from the law?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I also like how you ignore my mention of you ignoring verse 9:20.

Paul is not permitted to break faith with Christ and God, true enough. But the God's law, isn't what you're trying to argue it is, which you would know if you acknowledged 9:20's existence.

Where in 9:20 does it say he is free from the law?

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) so that I might win those under the law.

The people under the law are Jews, obviously, and those not under the law were Gentiles, or as you prefer, Pagan.


This is enumerated many times by Paul that Christians are released from the law. Messianic Judaism is reconcilable with Pauline Christianity. Now if you want to reject Paul, well I suppose that is your right, and you'd have plenty of company.

[Efraim-Judah]

Where in 9:20 does it say he is free from the law?

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) so that I might win those under the law.

The people under the law are Jews, obviously, and those not under the law were Gentiles, or as you prefer, Pagan.


This is enumerated many times by Paul that Christians are released from the law. Messianic Judaism is reconcilable with Pauline Christianity. Now if you want to reject Paul, well I suppose that is your right, and you'd have plenty of company.

Aha! You take from words that truly aren't there but are additions! Truly when people add words they change the message! They attempt to twist Paul's message!

[Menassa]

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) so that I might win those under the law.

The people under the law are Jews, obviously, and those not under the law were Gentiles, or as you prefer, Pagan.


This is enumerated many times by Paul that Christians are released from the law. Messianic Judaism is reconcilable with Pauline Christianity. Now if you want to reject Paul, well I suppose that is your right, and you'd have plenty of company.

Aha! You take from words that truly aren't there but are additions! Truly when people add words they change the message! They attempt to twist Paul's message!

Surely, you have like, actual lexicons to prove your point right?

[Efraim-Judah]

Where in 9:20 does it say he is free from the law?

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) so that I might win those under the law.

The people under the law are Jews, obviously, and those not under the law were Gentiles, or as you prefer, Pagan.


This is enumerated many times by Paul that Christians are released from the law. Messianic Judaism is reconcilable with Pauline Christianity. Now if you want to reject Paul, well I suppose that is your right, and you'd have plenty of company.

Where does Paul state that believers are free from the law? NO WHERE! HE STATES ONLY that new gentile believers shouldn't be obligated to keep everything at once!

[Efraim-Judah]

Aha! You take from words that truly aren't there but are additions! Truly when people add words they change the message! They attempt to twist Paul's message!

Surely, you have like, actual lexicons to prove your point right?

that which Tarsonis has provided which is in the parentheses does not appear anywhere in the Greek but was added later!

[Menassa]

Surely, you have like, actual lexicons to prove your point right?

that which Tarsonis has provided which is in the parentheses does not appear anywhere in the Greek but was added later!

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_corinthians/9-20.htm

[United Russian Soviet States]

Anti-Christian? No. He appears to be anti-Messianic.

Is that just because he disagrees with you?

His statement made him seem anti-Christian.

[Efraim-Judah]

that which Tarsonis has provided which is in the parentheses does not appear anywhere in the Greek but was added later!

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_corinthians/9-20.htm

This was added by the Latin Vulgate. It does not actually appear in the original Greek documents

[Menassa]

Is that just because he disagrees with you?

His statement made him seem anti-Christian.

I dislike a movie that has been denounced by many and that makes me anti-Christian? Tell me, what is your definition of pro-Christian?

[Menassa]

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_corinthians/9-20.htm

This was added by the Latin Vulgate. It does not actually appear in the original Greek documents

Source?

[Efraim-Judah]

Is that just because he disagrees with you?

His statement made him seem anti-Christian.

If he is not, he should be. Modern Christianity has become heavily influenced by pagan thought and has departed from Yeshua and Paul.

[Menassa]

His statement made him seem anti-Christian.

If he is not, he should be. Modern Christianity has become heavily influenced by pagan thought and has departed from Yeshua and Paul.

Why do you retain Paul's Greek name?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Is that just because he disagrees with you?

His statement made him seem anti-Christian.

I am telling you, I was a Christian when that movie came out, I saw an ad and immediately thought "what a pile of crap." Its premise is a logical fallacy and it's just stupid all-around.

[United Russian Soviet States]

His statement made him seem anti-Christian.

I dislike a movie that has been denounced by many and that makes me anti-Christian? Tell me, what is your definition of pro-Christian?

It may make you anti-Christian. A pro-Christian person defends Christianity.

Many films have anti-Christian themes in them.

which films and what themes, specifically?

The movie Frozen promotes sin and defiance of God. One of the villains is a devout Christian. The movie Dogma is also quite anti-Christian. It mocks the whole Christian belief system.

[Efraim-Judah]

If he is not, he should be. Modern Christianity has become heavily influenced by pagan thought and has departed from Yeshua and Paul.

Why do you retain Paul's Greek name?

Sh'aul*

[Menassa]

I dislike a movie that has been denounced by many and that makes me anti-Christian? Tell me, what is your definition of pro-Christian?

It may make you anti-Christian. A pro-Christian person defends Christianity.

which films and what themes, specifically?

The movie Frozen promotes sin and defiance of God. One of the villains is a devout Christian. The movie Dogma is also quite anti-Christian. It mocks the whole Christian belief system.

The movie fiddler on the Roof has the Tsar as a villain... he was Christian... is Fiddler on the Roof an anti-Christian movie?