Christian Discussion Thread V

[Salus Maior]

Considering that I continue to be Protestant despite studying history for years (and yes, including a lot of Christian history), that seems like a bit of a false statement.

Well, it seems rather impossible to me for someone to notice that Protestantism was pulled out of thin air 1500 years after Christ founded the Church and not realize that Protestantism is invalid with just a little critical thought.

Protestantism was hardly pulled out of thin air, as you say. It developed from the same roots as Catholicism did, the writings of the Apostles and the teachings of Christ as displayed in the Holy Bible.The fact that it came later is of no consequence, considering that the Catholic Church itself is hardly the same as it was when it was first founded.

So, when people actually got a hold of some Bibles in the 16th century some people started to think "maybe the Catholic Church doesn't have EVERYTHING right", and in doing so the Catholics tried to exterminate them for minor (but for the most part legitimate) differences in interpretation (as Jesus Christ himself would have done, of course. After all, as Christ said one must "burn thy enemies, and sic the Inquisition on those who disagree with you", right?)

I'm not saying Protestantism is perfect, or that Catholicism is necessarily wrong on all counts, but to dismiss Protestantism as being completely wrong or non-Christian is a very unfortunate and narrow view to hold.

[Coulee Croche]

So, when people actually got a hold of some Bibles in the 16th century some people started to think "maybe the Catholic Church doesn't have EVERYTHING right",

People had a hold of their bibles waaay earlier than that. I mean, there were defenitley indulgences for reading sacred scripture. Of course they were expensive (painstakingly handwritten), until the Church printed the first bibles on the guttenburg press, but even then the people were illiterate. They still relied on those that could read.

Edit: ok, well anywho, i understand the point that you are making.

and in doing so the Catholics tried to exterminate them for minor (but for the most part legitimate) differences in interpretation (as Jesus Christ himself would have done, of course. After all, as Christ said one must "burn thy enemies, and sic the Inquisition on those who disagree with you", right?)

Which isnt neccessarily a soley Catholic concept (burnings, and "inquisitions") as protestants (e.g.John Calvin) did purgings as well.
Since both sides believed the other to be antichrist, im pretty sure Corinthians 5:13 had something to do with it, probably a cross reference of Deut. 13:5, 17:7, 12 (You must purge the evil from among you.) (im not in any way condoning what had happened)

I'm not saying Protestantism is perfect, or that Catholicism is necessarily wrong on all counts, but to dismiss Protestantism as being completely wrong or non-Christian is a very unfortunate and narrow view to hold.

Agreed, we actually, (probably) have more in common than not.

[Salus Maior]

Agreed, we actually, (probably) have more in common than not.

That is exactly my view indeed.

[Benuty]

Truth is subjective so it doesn't matter.

Funny you said that, considering you are apart of a community that may not be as hateful as Christians , but your Torah suggests that ye old testament be the truth. Same sex marriage, crawfish eating, and all that other shit you suggest is immoral isn't. Also it says your wife should sleep outside if she is on her period. Truth, subjectable? Bitch I just handed you the truth.

Call me a Commie or some shit but religion is the opium of the people.

The Torah isn't part of the Old Testament since no one spoke English in the land of Judah or Israel. Not to mention the supposed version you claim to be the truth is missing the core element of interpretative, theological, and scholarly doctrines which bind the Torah in a written format, and a formerly oral one. Nor does the Conservative sect consider marriage equality immoral so your point is incredibly convoluted, and invalid. Its funny you suggest the person I happen to love be a woman they would get a good laugh out of that.

So not only did you fail to hand me the truth you fail to grasp the reality of the situation to the point where I doubt your very existence. Behind some facade you carry on trumpeting like the primal ancestors of the past. Their time is gone, and as such so is yours. Also good job on claiming you support an outdated theory which Sociology claims to be implausible to the reality of the world.

Now anything else of insignificance you feel like discussing with me?

[New Werpland]

Should've stayed an Atheist, you'll find more truth there than here. Atheist speaking btw

Truth is subjective so it doesn't matter.

Then so is that statement.

[Leikistan]

I officially represent Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) and we also fit into the KJVO movement.

[Cannabis Islands]

I officially represent Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) and we also fit into the KJVO movement.

I assume you are Calvinist and not free willed?

[Benuty]

Truth is subjective so it doesn't matter.

Then so is that statement.

As with life death, and the others ride forth with it. No one is exempt from it neither in the here or after thus it continues down while the cosmos ages on. For there will come a time when all is washed anew, and the old things taken down to the annals of history.

[Leikistan]

I officially represent Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) and we also fit into the KJVO movement.

I assume you are Calvinist and not free willed?

Actually IFBs are neither Calvinist or Armenian (free willed). We are Biblicists in reference to salvation.

[Benuty]

I officially represent Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) and we also fit into the KJVO movement.

I assume you are Calvinist and not free willed?

Hmm it has been a while since we've had proponents of the "only our 17th century translation is right" movement.

[Menassa]

I officially represent Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) and we also fit into the KJVO movement.

But what about those dank KJV mistranslations doe?

[Cannabis Islands]

I assume you are Calvinist and not free willed?

Hmm it has been a while since we've had proponents of the "only our 17th century translation is right" movement.

Hmm, Yes, as a non-Christian, i'm very interested in seeing this debate that the KJV is the only valid translation.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

I assume you are Calvinist and not free willed?

Actually IFBs are neither Calvinist or Armenian (free willed). We are Biblicists in reference to salvation.

Does this "biblicism" involve the belief that each man is predestined to heaven or hell, and does not freely choose his own salvation? Or does it not do that?

[Benuty]

Actually IFBs are neither Calvinist or Armenian (free willed). We are Biblicists in reference to salvation.

Does this "biblicism" involve the belief that each man is predestined to heaven or hell, and does not freely choose his own salvation? Or does it not do that?

Apparently biblicism is actually a thing had to look it up to make sure.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=biblicism

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

Does this "biblicism" involve the belief that each man is predestined to heaven or hell, and does not freely choose his own salvation? Or does it not do that?

Apparently biblicism is actually a thing had to look it up to make sure.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=biblicism

Well yes, it's absolutely a thing, but it's not an established position on the Calvinist/Armenian debate.

[Idzequitch]

Considering that I continue to be Protestant despite studying history for years (and yes, including a lot of Christian history), that seems like a bit of a false statement.

Well, it seems rather impossible to me for someone to notice that Protestantism was pulled out of thin air 1500 years after Christ founded the Church and not realize that Protestantism is invalid with just a little critical thought.

Using the same text as the Catholic Church, but having a different interpretation is hardly pulling anything out of thin air. It's having a different interpretation than the one that was widely accepted at the time. Old =/= accurate.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I officially represent Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) and we also fit into the KJVO movement.

That's a rather silly and unfounded movement.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

I got catechesis that was shite when I was a young goinhg through RICA. I had a catechize myself when I "came home" to the Catholic Church. That's where I discovered people like Michael Voris and Father Heese. The future is on the Internet. That's were Catholics have to start evangelizing.

Yeah, shitty religious instruction definitely plagues Catholic education. Catholics need to look inward and clean house. And maybe then they'll be able to fix the problems the church is running into.

Fortunately the Catholic education where I went to school was actually quite good.

I've heard lots of stories about crumby Catholic schools in the states though.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

I actually have problems with the idea of Hell and it involves Heaven. How could anyone enjoy the bliss of Heaven while knowing that there are people suffering the torments of Hell?

Because they chose to be there, Hell is a choice. The people in Hell don't want God.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I actually have problems with the idea of Hell and it involves Heaven. How could anyone enjoy the bliss of Heaven while knowing that there are people suffering the torments of Hell?

Because they chose to be there, Hell is a choice. The people in Hell don't want God.

I don't want to go to hell, your god will still send me there, therefore it's not a choice.

#Logic

[Cannabis Islands]

I actually have problems with the idea of Hell and it involves Heaven. How could anyone enjoy the bliss of Heaven while knowing that there are people suffering the torments of Hell?

Because they chose to be there, Hell is a choice. The people in Hell don't want God.

Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.

[Idzequitch]

Because they chose to be there, Hell is a choice. The people in Hell don't want God.

Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, but you're formerly Catholic, so I guess I probably don't have to explain that.

[Cannabis Islands]

Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, but you're formerly Catholic, so I guess I probably don't have to explain that.

I'm being facetious. I don't believe in "hell."

[Idzequitch]

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works, but you're formerly Catholic, so I guess I probably don't have to explain that.

I'm being facetious. I don't believe in "hell."

I understand that. I'm just saying that in hell, as we understand it, extant or not, nobody reigns, not even Satan.

[Cannabis Islands]

I'm being facetious. I don't believe in "hell."

I understand that. I'm just saying that in hell, as we understand it, extant or not, nobody reigns, not even Satan.

The phrase is from Paradise Lost. I was making a joke.