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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
249
32%
Eastern Orthodox
50
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
9
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
46
6%
Methodist
33
4%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
77
10%
Baptist
84
11%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, non-denominational, etc.)
100
13%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
28
4%
Other Christian
93
12%
 
Total votes : 769

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Postby Tafhan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:18 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Tafhan wrote:Yes, but they take it a step further. A massive step further. The all out resentment against the Old Testament god and his concepts of Sacrifice and obedience in return for wrath is frankly refreshing...in the sense that just someone had to come out and say it.

No disrespect meant towards anyone who follows that God.


The new testament God and the old testament God are one and the same.

They don't act the same.
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:19 pm

Tafhan wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
The new testament God and the old testament God are one and the same.

They don't act the same.


Well, Jesus basically plays the role of human and God in the NT.
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Postby Tafhan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:22 pm

Gim wrote:
Tafhan wrote:They don't act the same.


Well, Jesus basically plays the role of human and God in the NT.

regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:23 pm

Tafhan wrote:
Gim wrote:
Well, Jesus basically plays the role of human and God in the NT.

regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)


Jesus is God.
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Postby Tafhan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:24 pm

Gim wrote:
Tafhan wrote:regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)


Jesus is God.

And again, regardless, he acts different than the Old Testament God.
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Postby TomKirk » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:25 pm

Damukuni wrote:
Winnopolis wrote:TO ALL TRINITARIANS:

Where in the bible does it say that Jesus Christ is God?

(Please refer to me as "Sister Winona" in this thread. I shall refer to all of you with "Brother" or "Sister" depending on your gender.)


Was the disciple Thomas (the Doubter, remember!) wrong when he fell at Jesus' feet and declared, "My Lord and my God!"? (cf. John 20:24)

That passage is generally misinterpreted. Thomas does not use the vocative form "O my Lord! O my God!" which is the form if he were *addressing* Jesus as God; he is simply *exclaiming* "My God!" in amazement that Jesus is alive. Since our language lacks this distinction, it is easy to fall into this misunderstanding
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:26 pm

Jesus is not the Father.

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:26 pm

Tafhan wrote:
Gim wrote:
Jesus is God.

And again, regardless, he acts different than the Old Testament God.


He's still the same guy, though. Humans are the ones who changed.
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Postby TomKirk » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:31 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Archaeologists unearthed GOD? Well, that's news to me.


But not to me.

I found him at the bottom of Trench C, clutching copies of Nietzsche's Also sprach Zarathustra and Die fröhliche Wissenschaft, and quipping about how rumours of His death had been greatly exaggerated.

I wasn't able to do a proper context recording though, because I was unable to look upon His countenance

But did he show you his rear?
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YoLandII: " How is mutation natural? Just because it occurs in nature doesn't mean it's natural. It is not supposed to happen. It is accidental."
Salamanstrom: "Saying it is wrong since it calls it something that was used then is stupid. It's like saying a guy from the 1800s is stupid since he calls an ipod a radio."
Lunatic Goofballs: "The shoe is the pie of the Middle East. The poor bastards."

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:32 pm

TomKirk wrote:
Damukuni wrote:
Was the disciple Thomas (the Doubter, remember!) wrong when he fell at Jesus' feet and declared, "My Lord and my God!"? (cf. John 20:24)

That passage is generally misinterpreted. Thomas does not use the vocative form "O my Lord! O my God!" which is the form if he were *addressing* Jesus as God; he is simply *exclaiming* "My God!" in amazement that Jesus is alive. Since our language lacks this distinction, it is easy to fall into this misunderstanding




Well that's not even the verse.

The verse is "My Lord and my God"! So it's only misinterpreted when you deliberately change the wording to suit your own ends

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Postby Tafhan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:32 pm

Gim wrote:
Tafhan wrote:And again, regardless, he acts different than the Old Testament God.


He's still the same guy, though. Humans are the ones who changed.

So the Old Testament was not God's work? And neither is the New Testament? Neither are the word of God you're saying?
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Postby Tafhan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:32 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Jesus is not the Father.

You reject the trinity then?
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:35 pm

Tafhan wrote:
Gim wrote:
He's still the same guy, though. Humans are the ones who changed.

So the Old Testament was not God's work? And neither is the New Testament? Neither are the word of God you're saying?


It's God's work on both testaments. I'm not refuting that.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:35 pm

Tafhan wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Jesus is not the Father.

You reject the trinity then?


No, that's a fundamental doctrine of the trinity. Jesus is God. Jesus is not the father.

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Postby Tafhan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:37 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Tafhan wrote:You reject the trinity then?


No, that's a fundamental doctrine of the trinity. Jesus is God. Jesus is not the father.

Wait, so God is not The Father?

Then who is "The Father" in the trinity?
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Postby TomKirk » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:37 pm

Gim wrote:
TomKirk wrote:Yes, yes, not everything in the Bible is true. But there are several books (Kings especially) which soberly chronicle events which did actually occur: it is the oldest long connected historical narrative that we have from anywhere. The point about the Book of Mormon is that NOTHING it says is true, not one thing.


Well, some might be true, because they copied some of the Biblical text. :p

But none of the historical text from the Bible.
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YoLandII: " How is mutation natural? Just because it occurs in nature doesn't mean it's natural. It is not supposed to happen. It is accidental."
Salamanstrom: "Saying it is wrong since it calls it something that was used then is stupid. It's like saying a guy from the 1800s is stupid since he calls an ipod a radio."
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:38 pm

TomKirk wrote:
Gim wrote:
Well, some might be true, because they copied some of the Biblical text. :p

But none of the historical text from the Bible.


I know; that is why they are fundamentally a cult. :p
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:39 pm

Tafhan wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
No, that's a fundamental doctrine of the trinity. Jesus is God. Jesus is not the father.

Wait, so God is not The Father?

Then who is "The Father" in the trinity?

Oh ffs. Image

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:46 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Tafhan wrote:Wait, so God is not The Father?

Then who is "The Father" in the trinity?

Oh ffs. Image


Good illustration.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:54 pm

Here's a further commentary from a catholic perspective on the trinity I wrote.

viewtopic.php?p=24747601#p24747601

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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:19 pm

Gim wrote:
Tafhan wrote:regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)


Jesus is God.

But like, how do you know?
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
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"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:21 pm

Menassa wrote:
Gim wrote:
Jesus is God.

But like, how do you know?


John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:25 pm

Gim wrote:
Menassa wrote:But like, how do you know?


John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Yeah Jesus can say that he is God, but what proof does he bring?
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:26 pm

Menassa wrote:
Gim wrote:
John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Yeah Jesus can say that he is God, but what proof does he bring?


Basically what He does in the New Testament: Healing the paralyzed, Giving eyesight to the blind, Teaching His disciples and people about God.
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Postby Menassa » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:28 pm

Gim wrote:
Menassa wrote:Yeah Jesus can say that he is God, but what proof does he bring?


Basically what He does in the New Testament: Healing the paralyzed, Giving eyesight to the blind, Teaching His disciples and people about God.

Many people in the Bible have preformed Miracles, the Bible even says that False prophets can preform miracles.
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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