Christian Discussion Thread V

[Tafhan]

Yes, but they take it a step further. A massive step further. The all out resentment against the Old Testament god and his concepts of Sacrifice and obedience in return for wrath is frankly refreshing...in the sense that just someone had to come out and say it.

No disrespect meant towards anyone who follows that God.

The new testament God and the old testament God are one and the same.

They don't act the same.

[Gim]

The new testament God and the old testament God are one and the same.

They don't act the same.

Well, Jesus basically plays the role of human and God in the NT.

[Tafhan]

They don't act the same.

Well, Jesus basically plays the role of human and God in the NT.

regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)

[Gim]

Well, Jesus basically plays the role of human and God in the NT.

regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)

Jesus is God.

[Tafhan]

regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)

Jesus is God.

And again, regardless, he acts different than the Old Testament God.

[TomKirk]

TO ALL TRINITARIANS:

Where in the bible does it say that Jesus Christ is God?

(Please refer to me as "Sister Winona" in this thread. I shall refer to all of you with "Brother" or "Sister" depending on your gender.)

Was the disciple Thomas (the Doubter, remember!) wrong when he fell at Jesus' feet and declared, "My Lord and my God!"? (cf. John 20:24)

That passage is generally misinterpreted. Thomas does not use the vocative form "O my Lord! O my God!" which is the form if he were *addressing* Jesus as God; he is simply *exclaiming* "My God!" in amazement that Jesus is alive. Since our language lacks this distinction, it is easy to fall into this misunderstanding

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Jesus is not the Father.

[Gim]

Jesus is God.

And again, regardless, he acts different than the Old Testament God.

He's still the same guy, though. Humans are the ones who changed.

[TomKirk]

Archaeologists unearthed GOD? Well, that's news to me.

But not to me.

I found him at the bottom of Trench C, clutching copies of Nietzsche's Also sprach Zarathustra and Die fröhliche Wissenschaft, and quipping about how rumours of His death had been greatly exaggerated.

I wasn't able to do a proper context recording though, because I was unable to look upon His countenance

But did he show you his rear?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Was the disciple Thomas (the Doubter, remember!) wrong when he fell at Jesus' feet and declared, "My Lord and my God!"? (cf. John 20:24)

That passage is generally misinterpreted. Thomas does not use the vocative form "O my Lord! O my God!" which is the form if he were *addressing* Jesus as God; he is simply *exclaiming* "My God!" in amazement that Jesus is alive. Since our language lacks this distinction, it is easy to fall into this misunderstanding

Well that's not even the verse.

The verse is "My Lord and my God"! So it's only misinterpreted when you deliberately change the wording to suit your own ends

[Tafhan]

And again, regardless, he acts different than the Old Testament God.

He's still the same guy, though. Humans are the ones who changed.

So the Old Testament was not God's work? And neither is the New Testament? Neither are the word of God you're saying?

[Tafhan]

Jesus is not the Father.

You reject the trinity then?

[Gim]

He's still the same guy, though. Humans are the ones who changed.

So the Old Testament was not God's work? And neither is the New Testament? Neither are the word of God you're saying?

It's God's work on both testaments. I'm not refuting that.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Jesus is not the Father.

You reject the trinity then?

No, that's a fundamental doctrine of the trinity. Jesus is God. Jesus is not the father.

[Tafhan]

You reject the trinity then?

No, that's a fundamental doctrine of the trinity. Jesus is God. Jesus is not the father.

Wait, so God is not The Father?

Then who is "The Father" in the trinity?

[TomKirk]

Yes, yes, not everything in the Bible is true. But there are several books (Kings especially) which soberly chronicle events which did actually occur: it is the oldest long connected historical narrative that we have from anywhere. The point about the Book of Mormon is that NOTHING it says is true, not one thing.

Well, some might be true, because they copied some of the Biblical text.

But none of the historical text from the Bible.

[Gim]

Well, some might be true, because they copied some of the Biblical text.

But none of the historical text from the Bible.

I know; that is why they are fundamentally a cult.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

No, that's a fundamental doctrine of the trinity. Jesus is God. Jesus is not the father.

Wait, so God is not The Father?

Then who is "The Father" in the trinity?

Oh ffs.

[Gim]

Wait, so God is not The Father?

Then who is "The Father" in the trinity?

Oh ffs.

Good illustration.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Here's a further commentary from a catholic perspective on the trinity I wrote.

viewtopic.php?p=24747601#p24747601

[Menassa]

regardless, he doesn't act the same. (Even though when he talks about God, he says it as if he's talking about someone else)

Jesus is God.

But like, how do you know?

[Gim]

Jesus is God.

But like, how do you know?

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

[Menassa]

But like, how do you know?

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Yeah Jesus can say that he is God, but what proof does he bring?

[Gim]

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Yeah Jesus can say that he is God, but what proof does he bring?

Basically what He does in the New Testament: Healing the paralyzed, Giving eyesight to the blind, Teaching His disciples and people about God.

[Menassa]

Yeah Jesus can say that he is God, but what proof does he bring?

Basically what He does in the New Testament: Healing the paralyzed, Giving eyesight to the blind, Teaching His disciples and people about God.

Many people in the Bible have preformed Miracles, the Bible even says that False prophets can preform miracles.