Christian Discussion Thread V

[Maoist Britain]

There is no God.

/thread

[Gim]

There is no God.

/thread

Bible states otherwise. What is the reasoning for your statement?

[Constantinopolis]

There is no God.

/thread

Then how can there be any such thing as an objective concept of justice? And if there is no such thing as justice, why should we oppose capitalism?

[Gim]

There is no God.

/thread

Then how can there be any such thing as an objective concept of justice? And if there is no such thing as justice, why should we oppose capitalism?

Honestly, I think that can be rebutted by the fact humans have conscience and sympathy, two traits that are inherent.

[The Archregimancy]

There is no God.

/thread

Gosh, that's really sorted things out for us, hasn't it?

Pity you couldn't have posted that back on version I of this thread; then you might have spared us the trouble of four subsequent versions of precisely the same topic.

Still, spares me the trouble of starting version VI in a few days, so we should all be incredibly grateful to you for your coruscating insight.

[Grave_n_idle]

There is no God.

/thread

It's bad enough that that's an illogical conclusion to draw from the available evidence. Worse - it's a meaningless conclusion, because it relies on an undefined quantity.

If 'god' is only described by the characteristics attributed to it, then 'no god' is impossible to define.

[Salus Maior]

There is no God.

/thread

And yet you worship Mao.

[Maoist Britain]

There is no God.

/thread

And yet you worship Mao.

Fuck you, bible basher.

[Uxupox]

And yet you worship Mao.

Fuck you, bible basher.

As always how quaint.

[Kryozerkia]

And yet you worship Mao.

Fuck you, bible basher.

*** Warned for flaming. ***

[Salus Maior]

Fuck you, bible basher.

Well, at least you don't deny it.

[Constantinopolis]

Then how can there be any such thing as an objective concept of justice? And if there is no such thing as justice, why should we oppose capitalism?

Honestly, I think that can be rebutted by the fact humans have conscience and sympathy, two traits that are inherent.

That doesn't go very far in providing us with a concept of justice.

Humans have conscience and sympathy, yes, but different people with the same degree of conscience and sympathy can reach radically different conclusions about what is just, and how society should be organized.

[Gim]

Honestly, I think that can be rebutted by the fact humans have conscience and sympathy, two traits that are inherent.

That doesn't go very far in providing us with a concept of justice.

Humans have conscience and sympathy, yes, but different people with the same degree of conscience and sympathy can reach radically different conclusions about what is just, and how society should be organized.

Greek laws as well as Hammurabi Code have all been written before the time of Christ, though, if we were to subtract conscience and sympathy from the equation.

[Constantinopolis]

That doesn't go very far in providing us with a concept of justice.

Humans have conscience and sympathy, yes, but different people with the same degree of conscience and sympathy can reach radically different conclusions about what is just, and how society should be organized.

Greek laws as well as Hammurabi Code have all been written before the time of Christ, though, if we were to subtract conscience and sympathy from the equation.

Yes... and they are vastly different from anything that anyone today would consider to be just.

[The Archregimancy]

That doesn't go very far in providing us with a concept of justice.

Humans have conscience and sympathy, yes, but different people with the same degree of conscience and sympathy can reach radically different conclusions about what is just, and how society should be organized.

Greek laws as well as Hammurabi Code have all been written before the time of Christ, though, if we were to subtract conscience and sympathy from the equation.

However, both were written by inherently theistic societies, which is likely more relevant to Constantinopolis' point. The existence of divine agency is not, after all, a uniquely Christian concept.

Though note that there's a basic flaw in your post since, unlike Hammurabi's law code, we have no surviving systematic collation of laws from a Classical Greek state; the laws of Plato are a theoretical ideal rather than a practical legal system.

[Gim]

Greek laws as well as Hammurabi Code have all been written before the time of Christ, though, if we were to subtract conscience and sympathy from the equation.

Yes... and they are vastly different from anything that anyone today would consider to be just.

You are saying what is considered just today is brought upon by God?
From what I read, the concept of justice was brought upon by the existence of God.

[Czechanada]

There is no God.

/thread

Then how can there be any such thing as an objective concept of justice? And if there is no such thing as justice, why should we oppose capitalism?

Wait, wait, wait, are you saying that a God is needed for the concept of justice?

Besides, justice isn't always a wholly beneficial concept.

[Landinium]

I take a loose interpretation of Christian,

Incredibly loose, I admire and attempt to follow a lot of Jesus' morals(treat people how you want to be treated and all that jazz), but the majority of the Old Testament I cannot reconcile with my personal beliefs and sexuality. New Testament morals are okayyy. Does that make me Christian? That's a really niggling question in my life, I am quite confused about what it makes me really

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I take a loose interpretation of Christian,

Incredibly loose, I admire and attempt to follow a lot of Jesus' morals(treat people how you want to be treated and all that jazz), but the majority of the Old Testament I cannot reconcile with my personal beliefs and sexuality. New Testament morals are okayyy. Does that make me Christian? That's a really niggling question in my life, I am quite confused about what it makes me really

I could get into the pedantry of how that's a loaded question and technically you could, but for all effective purposes in gonna say no.

[Diopolis]

I take a loose interpretation of Christian,

Incredibly loose, I admire and attempt to follow a lot of Jesus' morals(treat people how you want to be treated and all that jazz), but the majority of the Old Testament I cannot reconcile with my personal beliefs and sexuality. New Testament morals are okayyy. Does that make me Christian? That's a really niggling question in my life, I am quite confused about what it makes me really

It makes you about as Christian as the megachurch people.

[The Wolven League]

And yet you worship Mao.

Fuck you, bible basher.

Being Christian equals bible basher, what lovely logic.

[Salus Maior]

Fuck you, bible basher.

Being Christian equals bible basher, what lovely logic.

To be fair, the Bible is one of the best books to bash people with. It's a pretty thick book (unless you've got a pocket version...)

[The Wolven League]

I take a loose interpretation of Christian,

Incredibly loose, I admire and attempt to follow a lot of Jesus' morals(treat people how you want to be treated and all that jazz), but the majority of the Old Testament I cannot reconcile with my personal beliefs and sexuality. New Testament morals are okayyy. Does that make me Christian? That's a really niggling question in my life, I am quite confused about what it makes me really

I'd say you're more of a deist, as long as you believe there is some sort of deity. A deist is someone who believes in a God/Goddess/gods/goddess/spirits, but does not believe they actively are involved on Earth, meaning that religions are all somewhat wrong to a deist.

As an example of how you can admire someone but not be their follower, I'm an agnostic, but I admire a lot of Muhammed's teachings. Doesn't make me a Muslim (though I may convert eventually).

[Conscentia]

I take a loose interpretation of Christian,

Incredibly loose, I admire and attempt to follow a lot of Jesus' morals(treat people how you want to be treated and all that jazz), but the majority of the Old Testament I cannot reconcile with my personal beliefs and sexuality. New Testament morals are okayyy. Does that make me Christian? That's a really niggling question in my life, I am quite confused about what it makes me really

Are you only concerned with the ethical philosophy of Jesus, or do you actually believe the theology of Christianity to some extent?

If you're irreligious, the term "cultural Christian" may be most applicable...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christian

[Wallenburg]

Fuck you, bible basher.

Being Christian equals bible basher, what lovely logic.

Well, enough people already believe all Muslims are terrorists; why don't we complete the logical fallacy?