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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
249
32%
Eastern Orthodox
50
7%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
9
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
46
6%
Methodist
33
4%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
77
10%
Baptist
84
11%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, non-denominational, etc.)
100
13%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
28
4%
Other Christian
93
12%
 
Total votes : 769

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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:00 am

Ithqington wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Former I have some actual experience with, sadly it's a bit of a mess in terms of it's inner authority and seems to be heading towards a schism down conservative and liberal lines.

Latter I have little experience with, but seems to be quite strongly liberal or progressive in the tendencies I've noticed.

well i always seen Anglican (UK) and Episcopalian (US).

Anglican and Catholic both have same views about gay marriage but we know both Anglican and Catholic are not same and i know Catholic get very angry about hat.

I always seen Episcopalian as like Anglican but with Homosexuality (no offence) you know what i mean? you seen that one who is Christian and also he or she is Homosexuality too.


How can somebody "be homosexuality"?
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Ithqington
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Postby Ithqington » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:10 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ithqington wrote:well i always seen Anglican (UK) and Episcopalian (US).

Anglican and Catholic both have same views about gay marriage but we know both Anglican and Catholic are not same and i know Catholic get very angry about hat.

I always seen Episcopalian as like Anglican but with Homosexuality (no offence) you know what i mean? you seen that one who is Christian and also he or she is Homosexuality too.


How can somebody "be homosexuality"?

what i mean, some Christian in US are Homosexuality and is Any Christian in this Thread who is Homosexual or support same sex marriage here?

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:14 am

Ithqington wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
How can somebody "be homosexuality"?

what i mean, some Christian in US are Homosexuality and is Any Christian in this Thread who is Homosexual or support same sex marriage here?

I'll ask the same thing the previous poster did: how can someone "be homosexuality"? That's like someone being marxism.
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:21 am

The Alexanderians wrote:
Ithqington wrote:what i mean, some Christian in US are Homosexuality and is Any Christian in this Thread who is Homosexual or support same sex marriage here?

I'll ask the same thing the previous poster did: how can someone "be homosexuality"? That's like someone being marxism.


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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:21 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Either that or are the best trolls ever.

The article is hilariously poor

I'd like to see a halfway-legitimate scientific article supporting the existence of ghosts.

I think fairy tales and superstitions are hilarious.
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:23 am

Grenartia wrote:How can somebody "be homosexuality"?

Have you ever heard of Richard Simmons?
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:25 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:They aren't real, bud.

Either that or are the best trolls ever.


Soooo...ghosts are the body's version of an AT field from Neon Genesis Evangelion? :blink:

...Nah. I may be a clown fish, but I am not taking that bait.
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Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:36 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Grenartia wrote:How can somebody "be homosexuality"?

Have you ever heard of Richard Simmons?

Freddie Mercury better
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:39 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The article is hilariously poor

I'd like to see a halfway-legitimate scientific article supporting the existence of ghosts.

I think fairy tales and superstitions are hilarious.

Me too, but that article doesn't disprove ghosts in the slightest

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:41 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ithqington wrote:well i always seen Anglican (UK) and Episcopalian (US).

Anglican and Catholic both have same views about gay marriage but we know both Anglican and Catholic are not same and i know Catholic get very angry about hat.

I always seen Episcopalian as like Anglican but with Homosexuality (no offence) you know what i mean? you seen that one who is Christian and also he or she is Homosexuality too.


How can somebody "be homosexuality"?
m
I feel like this is the result of inadequate translation

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:44 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I'd like to see a halfway-legitimate scientific article supporting the existence of ghosts.

I think fairy tales and superstitions are hilarious.

Me too, but that article doesn't disprove ghosts in the slightest

I'd like to point out two things

(1) A non-news source in this instance would be more convincing to many people.

(2) Ghosts in and of themselves are only very loosely related to Christianity take it to a relevant thread please, or bring it back to context that fits the thread.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:50 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I'd like to see a halfway-legitimate scientific article supporting the existence of ghosts.

I think fairy tales and superstitions are hilarious.

Me too, but that article doesn't disprove ghosts in the slightest

You're the one who claims they exist. Prove it.

I've sourced them probably being imaginary; especially since you don't seem to have shit backing up your beliefs.
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New Werpland
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Postby New Werpland » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:54 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The article is hilariously poor

I'd like to see a halfway-legitimate scientific article supporting the existence of ghosts.

I think fairy tales and superstitions are hilarious.

fun fact: ghosts in Christianity come from Plato.

ghosts are a sophisticated dualist idea, not primitive.
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:05 am

This is the article I read the night after I went to Arlington, in D.C. I think it'll be a
better read.

http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/2013 ... osts-27887

I liked it. What about you? :)
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"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:51 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Me too, but that article doesn't disprove ghosts in the slightest

You're the one who claims they exist. Prove it.

I've sourced them probably being imaginary; especially since you don't seem to have shit backing up your beliefs.


Actually I haven't. I made a claim that I had a theory that I wanted to study in in grad school. Y'all are the ones who then decided to go on a fucking tirade.

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:52 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You're the one who claims they exist. Prove it.

I've sourced them probably being imaginary; especially since you don't seem to have shit backing up your beliefs.


Actually I haven't. I made a claim that I had a theory that I wanted to study in in grad school. Y'all are the ones who then decided to go on a fucking tirade.


Wat was the theory?
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:54 am

Can we please drop the increasingly tiresome thread derail over ghosts - unless it can be made directly relevant to Christianity.

Thank you.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:01 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Can we please drop the increasingly tiresome thread derail over ghosts - unless it can be made directly relevant to Christianity.

Thank you.
Luminesa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Actually I haven't. I made a claim that I had a theory that I wanted to study in in grad school. Y'all are the ones who then decided to go on a fucking tirade.


Wat was the theory?



My theory, Assuming for the sake of argument that Ghosts do in fact exist, and acknowledging that Hell is a state of being of eternal separation from God, not an actual location, that Ghosts are in Hell.

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:19 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Can we please drop the increasingly tiresome thread derail over ghosts - unless it can be made directly relevant to Christianity.

Thank you.
Luminesa wrote:
Wat was the theory?



My theory, Assuming for the sake of argument that Ghosts do in fact exist, and acknowledging that Hell is a state of being of eternal separation from God, not an actual location, that Ghosts are in Hell.


Ohhh...

I dunno if ALL ghosts are in Hell. Remember the story of Samuel's ghost? When the witch summoned him for Saul, and Samuel got mad?

But that does sound like something cool to write a thesis on. Good luck! :3
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:25 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

My theory, Assuming for the sake of argument that Ghosts do in fact exist, and acknowledging that Hell is a state of being of eternal separation from God, not an actual location, that Ghosts are in Hell.


Ohhh...

I dunno if ALL ghosts are in Hell. Remember the story of Samuel's ghost? When the witch summoned him for Saul, and Samuel got mad?

But that does sound like something cool to write a thesis on. Good luck! :3



Well that one was pre Christ, which means nobody would be in Heaven or Hell at that point, but in Sheol, a sort of holding place.

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Postby The United Neptumousian Empire » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Ithqington wrote:so what about think about Anglican/Episcopalian?

Some of the high church Anglicans with relatively orthodox theology are alright. The low church liberal branches are lukewarm and heretical, and will likely die out on their own. The Anglican Communion should not have allowed this to happen, these liberal branches should have been cut out when thy were seeds, not allowed to fester and destroy the Communion.

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:36 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Luminesa wrote:
Ohhh...

I dunno if ALL ghosts are in Hell. Remember the story of Samuel's ghost? When the witch summoned him for Saul, and Samuel got mad?

But that does sound like something cool to write a thesis on. Good luck! :3



Well that one was pre Christ, which means nobody would be in Heaven or Hell at that point, but in Sheol, a sort of holding place.


Right. I forgot about that.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:36 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Grenartia wrote:How can somebody "be homosexuality"?

Have you ever heard of Richard Simmons?

It is hard being an aging god.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:37 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Have you ever heard of Richard Simmons?

Freddie Mercury better

To be fair they were kind of into everybody not just guys.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:38 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Ithqington wrote:what i mean, some Christian in US are Homosexuality and is Any Christian in this Thread who is Homosexual or support same sex marriage here?

I'll ask the same thing the previous poster did: how can someone "be homosexuality"? That's like someone being marxism.


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