Farage : Charge drunks who keep using A&E

[Frazers]

I may not have a high opinion of David Cameron but that kind of accusation without a shred of evidence is disgusting. You really believe he seeked possibly inferior medical treatment and allowed his son to die for PR, his son died years ago aswell you honestly believe that was all in preparation for this general election?

False flag wavers dont' care if it's a politicians own children or 3,000 of their own people, they're willing to believe the worst regardless, and there's no convincing them otherwise.

Circlejerk away all you like lad

[Vashtanaraada]

False flag wavers dont' care if it's a politicians own children or 3,000 of their own people, they're willing to believe the worst regardless, and there's no convincing them otherwise.

Circlejerk away all you like lad

Is the sympathy vote really that powerful?

[Imperializt Russia]

It also sounds like a bullshit solution. What is this, Antz?

I as a trainee teacher know this exactly. Michael Gove did this with free schools. Every free school that was built had to hire certain contractors and service providers, who happened to either know Gove personally, or were Tory Party donors.

Evidence: http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/michael-gove-ideological-vandalism.html

It seems the NHS' turn is now.

Doesn't make it not a bullshit solution.

[Whitesands]

Britain should just privatize the NHS, that way healthcare providers can choose not to treat drunks.

Man, I ain't giving up my free healthcare for some hooligans.

[Ifreann]

I can't say I disagree, for once Nigel ThornberryFarage is right. Drunks cause big strains on hospitals and alcohol fueled violence is a big problem as a result of too much alcohol being consumed.

Of course. You'll be charging those involved in car accidents since it's their own fault they were driving so dangerously, those who catch HIV because they were out having sex, etc, etc.

"Cancer? Oooh, that'll cost you."

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How exactly will he charge them?

Plenty of people go through A+E using aliases or not giving a name at all.

I'm sure drunk people will happily turn over their real name, address, and possibly bank account details to hospital staff with no fuss at all.

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I guess Nigel has private healthcare.

And staff to keep him from hurting himself if he gets a bit pissed at lunch.

[Vashtanaraada]

Britain should just privatize the NHS, that way healthcare providers can choose not to treat drunks.

Man, I ain't giving up my free healthcare for some hooligans.

Dude, free healthcare is awesome.
I'd move country if the NHS shut down, and no-one from outside the UK will know that kind of passion we have.

[Pesda]

When people drink they're not trying to end up in hospital. There's an increased risk of it but I think it's fair to say they got there by accident.

But it's their responsibility to moderate and if they go drinking (which has a real risk of ending up in hospital one way or another, whether it be liver cancer or drunken injuries), it's their fault.

Maybe they thought they were moderate but were unknowingly drinking more than they could handle?

[Greater-London]

1.You realise that's exactly my point? Someone who drinks because they're depressed could easily be a victim of that change.

2.Idiot or not, NHS treatment should still be free.

3. Except I'm not saying "What's next" I'm giving examples of situations which involve the same consequences and the same costs to highlight how people stigmatise drinkers. For this to be a slippery slope argument, I'd have to be suggesting that my examples might become a reality, but I'm not. Of course nobody is going to charge clumsy campers for treatment, the point is it's the same idea as charging foolish drinkers.

4. If they're in A&E, they likely need to be there. I'm not sure drunk people make a habit of popping down for fun. If they're violent/rowdy they're already fined or charged in accordance with the law, so this is totally unnecessary and would put financial strain on people who obviously don't need it.

1. Yes and my point is that this isn't just "all drunk people". If someone has a mental health issue why do you assume this would be ignored?

2. I never disputed that ...

3. What? No you weren't. You didn't talk about the stigmatizing of drinkers at all. It's also a completely different idea for charging foolish campers. You fall and break your leg whilst camping. Your a very different person in A & E to someone who's been taken there for being drunk and disorderly. You also NEED to be there if you've broken your leg. Plenty of drunk people don't need to be in A & E. Unless your having your stomach pumped, you will be given fluids and a bed. That can be done at home.

4. Some yes, Others no. I don't know what your experience is but I've worked in A & E on Friday nights - admittedly just doing admin. Lots of the people in there don't have sad storys, they aren't depressed alcoholics. They are normally people who had to much on a night out and can't walk straight or lying on a pavement somewhere so there friends take them in. They can deal with the financial burden, if you can afford to get pissed. Also people don't get charged by being rowdy in waiting rooms, shouting at other patients, shouting at receptionist staff for having to wait.

All in all I do think this policy is stupid. HOWEVER I don't think its somehow "evil" or a slippery slope. Nor do I think that the logic of the argument can be applied to vastly different sitations.

[The Enrichment Center]

When compared to the losses from drunks use of the health service it's not.

No, friend, putting all the people who have gone to A&E for alcohol related injuries/illnesses into full time care would be really, really fucking expensive. And that's for an indefinite period of time for treatment which is hit and miss depending on the individual. It's an utterly moronic idea.

The number of alcohol-related NHS admissions, including inpatient, outpatient and A&E visits is nearly 10 million per year. Let's say they stay in a rehab facility for 60 days, a pretty standard time for short term residency programs. A 10 day detox costs £2,000 per person, then the other 50 days cost around £10,000 for the residential admission. Now this is for people going there voluntarily, but if you're sending people against their will then you have to factor in the cost of security and surveillance, but we'll ignore that for now. So for standard short-term residency rehabilitation program for these people would cost approximately £120,000,000,000. That's about the same cost as our entire Health, Education and Transport spending combined.

Oh and the annual cost of ALL alcohol related illnesses, including those occurring over many years and one-off incidents is 2.7 billion.

[Devvo Mate]

Britain should just privatize the NHS, that way healthcare providers can choose not to treat drunks.

why do americans feel the need how to tell everyone else how to do things?

[The Enrichment Center]

Britain should just privatize the NHS, that way healthcare providers can choose not to treat drunks.

why do americans feel the need how to tell everyone else how to do things?

Because they're sad their system doesn't work and want to ruin it for everyone else.

[Olivaero]

So essentially punish people for succumbing to the disease that is alcoholism? How about, and hear me out on this: No.

[Ifreann]

So essentially punish people for succumbing to the disease that is alcoholism? How about, and hear me out on this: No.

You won't win any votes that way.

[Greater-London]

So essentially punish people for succumbing to the disease that is alcoholism? How about, and hear me out on this: No.

Not really. Because not everyone who's drunk in A & E is an alcoholic. In fact I would go as far to say that most of them aren't. If your an alcoholic the sad truth is your probably drinking on your own at home. Doing very slow creeping damage to your body as opposed to necking 750CL of Vodka on a Friday night.

[Olivaero]

So essentially punish people for succumbing to the disease that is alcoholism? How about, and hear me out on this: No.

You won't win any votes that way.

Well, darn.

[Ifreann]

So essentially punish people for succumbing to the disease that is alcoholism? How about, and hear me out on this: No.

Not really. Because not everyone who's drunk in A & E is an alcoholic. In fact I would go as far to say that most of them aren't. If your an alcoholic the sad truth is your probably drinking on your own at home. Doing very slow creeping damage to your body as opposed to necking 750CL of Vodka on a Friday night.

If you drank that much vodka you would be dead, and would thus cause no trouble for A&E.

[Imperializt Russia]

why do americans feel the need how to tell everyone else how to do things?

Because they're sad their system doesn't work and want to ruin it for everyone else.

Because then there's no evidence.

[Vashtanaraada]

Because they're sad their system doesn't work and want to ruin it for everyone else.

Because then there's no evidence.

The evidence is that the NHS is actually a thing.
We couldn't cope with charities, private hospitals etc, so the state (even though we were skint) stepped in.

[Olivaero]

So essentially punish people for succumbing to the disease that is alcoholism? How about, and hear me out on this: No.

Not really. Because not everyone who's drunk in A & E is an alcoholic. In fact I would go as far to say that most of them aren't. If your an alcoholic the sad truth is your probably drinking on your own at home. Doing very slow creeping damage to your body as opposed to necking 750CL of Vodka on a Friday night.

Alcoholism takes many different guises for many different people. What alcoholics crave is being drunk and that definitely increases the amount of accidents, whether they are on Friday night or whether it's the middle of the day on Monday. So i think it's fair to say that alcoholics will probably be adversely effected by this. Also if you're downing 750CL of vodka I think it's fair to say you may need psychological help anyway which means even if you aren't an alcoholic UKIP would essentially be aiding people in destructive behaviors adding a financial cost to it too.

[Napkiraly]

Just going to say, that thank goodness nothing like this was in place a few months ago.

[Ifreann]

If you drank that much vodka you would be dead, and would thus cause no trouble for A&E.

Apparently it would take 1000ml of spirits or 4 bottles of wine to reach a lethal dose for a 60kg person

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/alcohol-you/y ... -poisoning

So after 7500ml(750cl, ~11 bottles) of vodka you would be very dead. You might be so dead that you loop back to alive.

[Napkiraly]

Apparently it would take 1000ml of spirits or 4 bottles of wine to reach a lethal dose for a 60kg person

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/alcohol-you/y ... -poisoning

So after 7500ml(750cl, ~11 bottles) of vodka you would be very dead. You might be so dead that you loop back to alive.

I think that might explain the resurrection of Jesus.

[The Enrichment Center]

Apparently it would take 1000ml of spirits or 4 bottles of wine to reach a lethal dose for a 60kg person

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/alcohol-you/y ... -poisoning

So after 7500ml(750cl, ~11 bottles) of vodka you would be very dead. You might be so dead that you loop back to alive.

Or you gain superpowers.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

So after 7500ml(750cl, ~11 bottles) of vodka you would be very dead. You might be so dead that you loop back to alive.

I think that might explain the resurrection of Jesus.

Yes! After all he did say his blood was wine!

[Greater-London]

Or you gain superpowers.

Only if you've got a mega liver.