Hillary Clinton to Launch 2016 Campaign

[Wallenburg]

Harckback, whether the military is moral is irrelevant, this is an issue of civil rights. Why should homosexuals specifically be barred?

[Myrensis]

Reagan let 200 marines die in Lebanon. No one to day has ever said, "Beirutgate."

Benghazi was the result of gross negligence of security, plus the fact that they lied about it for weeks afterwards. Beirut was unavoidable.

[citation needed]

[Kelinfort]

Reagan let 200 marines die in Lebanon. No one to day has ever said, "Beirutgate."

Benghazi was the result of gross negligence of security, plus the fact that they lied about it for weeks afterwards. Beirut was unavoidable.

And the embassy bombing that followed the first attack? That came out of nowhere, I bet.

[Harkback Union]

Harckback, whether the military is moral is irrelevant, this is an issue of civil rights. Why should homosexuals specifically be barred?

I don't care what issue it is. The point is, It won't make a difference in the lives of 99.999% of the population.

[Jamzmania]

Benghazi was the result of gross negligence of security, plus the fact that they lied about it for weeks afterwards. Beirut was unavoidable.

[citation needed]

It's pretty fucking well known that the consulate's multiple requests for extra security were denied, and that no attempt was made to rescue the ambassador.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Or maybe, you know, cut down on all that entitlement and military spending, cut taxes, and rejuvenate the economy.

Rand Paul has come out against it, opposing warrantless searches in his campaign platform and his Senate website. If he is elected president, he could probably repeal the PATRIOT Act.

Only Congress can repeal laws.

Sure, but he can push for such a repeal, and if he does galvanize people to vote for him on the basis of civil liberties, so would they vote for pro-civil liberties senators and congressmen and women.

[Norstal]

Really. You don't believe homosexuals receiving more rights and the deterioration of DOMA makes any difference at all. Kay. Don't know what backwater country you came from, but in here that's pretty important. Point is there's a clear difference between the two parties.

Really, The right to server in the army... How is that even a right? And how many people actually want it? 1000?
How does a thousand's desire to join the world's most murderous warmachine compare to policies that affect millions of not billions of people, such as:
- Foreign policy

So that war in Iraq being stopped makes us a warmachine how? And then after that, the world asks us to participate in countering ISIS.

- Social and military spending

You forgot about Obamacare already, don't you?

- Environment protection and Economic policy

The U.S actually has better environmental standards than Europe. Should visit one of our national parks someday.

In these areas, the parties follow the exact same policies:
- Start wars left and right (too numerous to list), Finance/Arm terrorist rebels (Syria, Libia, Nicaragua, Haiti, Afghanistan) and murderous dictatorships (Haiti, Saudi arabia, Panama, Chile, Iraq, Columbia, Argentina) Undermine peace talks (Israel-Palestine, Ukraine, Iraq-Iran, Israel-Lebanon) and UN initiatives (Climate change, weapon trade regulations, De-arnament)

"Star wars"? Are you still stuck in the 1980s? This is 2015. Also there's a reason why Israel hates us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2% ... present.29

On 26 March 2010, Netanyahu and Obama met in the White House. The meeting was conducted without photographers or any press statements. During the meeting, Obama demanded that Israel extend the settlement freeze after its expiration, impose a freeze on Jewish construction in East Jerusalem, and withdraw troops to positions held before the start of the Second Intifada. Netanyahu did not give written concessions on these issues, and presented Obama with a flowchart on how permission for building is granted in the Jerusalem Municipality to reiterate that he had no prior knowledge of the plans. Obama then suggested that Netanyahu and his staff stay at the White House to consider his proposals so that he could inform Obama right away if he changed his mind, and was quoted as saying: "I'm still around, let me know if there is anything new"

Again, having a hard time seeing how a Republican could support any of these. "Undermine peace talks" my ass. He wants to prevent pissing off the Palestinians. How is that undermining peace talks?

- Low taxes or even lower taxes, plenty of loopholes and deductions for the rich to exploit, Big bailouts for big companies, undercutting key social services and/or financing social services in a way so that most of the money ends up in pockets of election campaign donors. Oversized Military budget.

That's something we need to fix, but that's not something only the president can do.

- Subsidy for fossil fuel extraction, little to no investment in green energy, Free trade laws that undermine wages both home and abroad while making the economy even more inefficient.
Obama, Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, Clinton, Nixon,... pretty much every US president since World war 2. They may use different rhetoric to get into office but their governments pretty much does the same, turn the US into a corporate bordello.

Sigh.

http://phys.org/news/2012-03-obama-inve ... nergy.html

He noted that his administration had already put in place new standards that will make sure that American cars average nearly 55 miles per gallon (88.5 kilometers per 3.8 liters) by the middle of the next decade - nearly double what they get today.
The president also called for ending the $4 billion a year in tax breaks that US oil companies receive each year.
"We've been handing out these kinds of taxpayer giveaways for nearly a century," he said. "And outside of Congress, does anyone really think that's still a good idea?"

Obama also invested so much in green energy that it failed to deliver.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorial ... ng-off.htm


Please go back to the roleplay forums if you don't know what you're talking about. There's a difference between Democrats and Republicans no matter what edgy hipsters or le European master race circlejerkers say.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Or maybe, you know, cut down on all that entitlement and military spending, cut taxes, and rejuvenate the economy.

Rand Paul has come out against it, opposing warrantless searches in his campaign platform and his Senate website. If he is elected president, he could probably repeal the PATRIOT Act.

rand doesn't have much of a chance but once the security of the country would rest securely on his shoulders and he starts getting the daily reports of threats around the world he would probably have the same reaction that other presidents have--to do whatever is recommended to make sure that nothing bad happens on his watch.

taking money out of the economy wouldn't rejuvenate the economy.

Cutting taxes is putting money back into the hands of a diverse private sector, instead of not encouraging market diversification by spending 670 Billion Dollars on a few sectors.

[Wallenburg]

Harckback, whether the military is moral is irrelevant, this is an issue of civil rights. Why should homosexuals specifically be barred?

I don't care what issue it is. The point is, It won't make a difference in the lives of 99.999% of the population.

Again, irrelevant. The rights of the minority stand, regardless of how small that minority is.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hillary-clinton-presidency-we-need-talk-about-hillary-domestic-violence-claims-1496594

One big reason why I can't support Hillary.
(Signs she's an abusive partner.)

While I agree that people should be aware of those faults, the article makes it sound like her victory will mean that male victims of domestic abuse will be cast aside. As if she would be the first president with dark skeletons in her closet.

And that said, regarding the specific case of Hillary and Bill, I can be somewhat sympathetic with a violent outburst when your life is made a scandal by your husband's adultery. It doesn't justify it, but it does make it much more reasonable.

If it were the one incident i'd agree it can be sympathized with and overlooked as a moment of lost control.
But it seems to be several incidents, couple with a lack of acknowledgement of it.

[Ashmoria]

[citation needed]

It's pretty fucking well known that the consulate's multiple requests for extra security were denied, and that no attempt was made to rescue the ambassador.

wasn't it the embassy that asked for extra security?

and wasn't it ambassador steven's decision to go to Benghazi that day? it seems to me to be his "fault" (its the fault of those who stormed the consulate).

[Kelinfort]

Only Congress can repeal laws.

Sure, but he can push for such a repeal, and if he does galvanize people to vote for him on the basis of civil liberties, so would they vote for pro-civil liberties senators and congressmen and women.

His own party supports it. That won't happen anytime soon.

[Ashmoria]

rand doesn't have much of a chance but once the security of the country would rest securely on his shoulders and he starts getting the daily reports of threats around the world he would probably have the same reaction that other presidents have--to do whatever is recommended to make sure that nothing bad happens on his watch.

taking money out of the economy wouldn't rejuvenate the economy.

Cutting taxes is putting money back into the hands of a diverse private sector, instead of not encouraging market diversification by spending 670 Billion Dollars on a few sectors.

yeah that's why the burgeoning profits of corporate America resulted in massive hiring of new employees.

they aren't going to cut YOUR taxes. they only want to cut taxes on the rich.

the real problem is your supposing that taking money out of the pockets of regular people due to cutting "entitlements" would help the economy. we need to INCREASE social security spending (and basic welfare spending) so as to get more money circulating through the economy. the same with the military. would putting another hundred thousand soldiers and an equal number of contract employees onto unemployment make the economy better? nope. less money those people's pockets is less money in the economy driving business development and hiring.

[The Black Forrest]

rand doesn't have much of a chance but once the security of the country would rest securely on his shoulders and he starts getting the daily reports of threats around the world he would probably have the same reaction that other presidents have--to do whatever is recommended to make sure that nothing bad happens on his watch.

taking money out of the economy wouldn't rejuvenate the economy.

Cutting taxes is putting money back into the hands of a diverse private sector, instead of not encouraging market diversification by spending 670 Billion Dollars on a few sectors.

How much money is corporate America sitting on right now?

[Ostroeuropa]

Cutting taxes is putting money back into the hands of a diverse private sector, instead of not encouraging market diversification by spending 670 Billion Dollars on a few sectors.

How much money is corporate America sitting on right now?

All of the moneys.
Grab the constitution, write "$ All." on the back of it. This shall now represent the moneys.

[Cannot think of a name]

Neel Kashkari? Really? He lost a governor's race where his opponent barely ran.

And that opponent sat on his ass while college students in UCs have to fork up more money from a tuition hike when it can prevented by looking at Pat Brown's administration, or have a government akin to Germany's.

A country that is 4x Germany's population and GDP can not afford what Germany can afford per capita, especially a state with less than half of Germany's population but half of its GDP.

And Kashkari still didn't make enough of a threat to cause Brown to even campaign. So, you agree then...Kashkari is not a good candidate. Though it makes me wonder why you brought him up as someone who could contend for the presidency.

[Wallenburg]

Cutting taxes is putting money back into the hands of a diverse private sector, instead of not encouraging market diversification by spending 670 Billion Dollars on a few sectors.

How much money is corporate America sitting on right now?

You're kidding me right?

The money pit is nearly endless. The corporations are currently campaigning to make it truly endless.

[The Nuclear Fist]

On the whole Benghazi thing, wasn't there a veto against putting additional security at the embassy there/cutting of funds for it that resulted in fewer than necessary guards? I could have sworn that was a thing.

[North Calaveras]

All middle eastern embassys should have been more secure from the start considering events like the arab speing were happening(arab spring was a joke i knew nothing good was going to come from it)

[Ashmoria]

On the whole Benghazi thing, wasn't there a veto against putting additional security at the embassy there/cutting of funds for it that resulted in fewer than necessary guards? I could have sworn that was a thing.

*shrug* there were budgets cuts all across the federal government.

ambassador stevens didn't die at the embassy.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

As the rest of us lack your mind-reading abilities, I'm afraid that we'll have to go on the available evidence.

Hence why i said it was my personal opinion and I also directly stated that might not very well be what she wants so I don't know where you got your cute little " mind reading" comment from.

What I'm saying is that your opinion, unless based in verifiable evidence and/or logical progression of thought from available evidence (or even common sense) is irrelevant to this conversation.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

And that opponent sat on his ass while college students in UCs have to fork up more money from a tuition hike when it can prevented by looking at Pat Brown's administration, or have a government akin to Germany's.

A country that is 4x Germany's population and GDP can not afford what Germany can afford per capita, especially a state with less than half of Germany's population but half of its GDP.

The hell are you talking about, "Sat on his ass"?

[MERIZoC]

All middle eastern embassys should have been more secure from the start considering events like the arab speing were happening(arab spring was a joke i knew nothing good was going to come from it)

Riiiiiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Source?

http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... noped.html

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/20 ... -internet/

Snopes liberal bias and incorrect info.

2 sources.

Your second source debunks the first one.

You should really, really read these articles before posting them.

[Gauthier]

All middle eastern embassys should have been more secure from the start considering events like the arab speing were happening(arab spring was a joke i knew nothing good was going to come from it)

Riiiiiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia

And let's remember who decided to cut embassy security budgets. Hint: It wasn't Hillary.

GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats