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Do you support Hillary Clinton? What will be the 1# issue of 2016?

Yes, I support Hillary Clinton.
173
20%
No, I do not support Hillary Clinton.
300
34%
Healthcare
16
2%
Foreign Policy (ISIL,Iran,Yemen,Russia etc.)
134
15%
Debt/Deficit
22
3%
Economy (Unemployment,Wages,Trade, Taxes etc)
120
14%
Immigration
15
2%
Climate Change
24
3%
Civil Rights & Civil Liberties
55
6%
Other
13
1%
 
Total votes : 872

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Ecnard
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Postby Ecnard » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:19 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Timsvill wrote:The failed health care plan one, and Benghazi. You might be saying "oh my god! He's one of the republicans that watches Fox News!" And you sir, would be wrong. I hate Fox News! I am a republican, but I don't like how they give us republicans a bad reputation. Now the Benghazi scandal, I don't like the way Hillary handled it.


Oh yea Benghazi! Ok 4 guys died on her watch. Do you hate Regan over Beirut?



"Only 4 guys died on her watch".

4 lives are still lives no matter what you say. 4 people won't return to their families. 4 people won't fulfill their dreams.

So what is a life to you then?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:20 am

Ecnard wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
what bothers you about the failed health care thing?

the republicans investigated Benghazi and they found nothing to dis mrs Clinton over that the state department's report didn't find. what "handling" of it bothers you?


Please fix your grammar.


Boring.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Ecnard
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Postby Ecnard » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:20 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ecnard wrote:
Please fix your grammar.


Boring.


Also you spelled forest incorrectly.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:20 am

Ecnard wrote:


But snopes is a horrible source.


Source?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:22 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh yea Benghazi! Ok 4 guys died on her watch. Do you hate Regan over Beirut?



"Only 4 guys died on her watch".

4 lives are still lives no matter what you say. 4 people won't return to their families. 4 people won't fulfill their dreams.

So what is a life to you then?


And the 302 in Beruit?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:22 am

Ecnard wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Not even a good ad hominem. Also, brainwashed by whom? FOX News?


Whatever you want kid.

Don't dodge the question with more ad hominem. Who has brainwashed me? And why? And how?
I want to improve.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:22 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Boring.


Also you spelled forest incorrectly.


Childish.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Ecnard
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Postby Ecnard » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:23 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ecnard wrote:
But snopes is a horrible source.


Source?


http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... noped.html

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/20 ... -internet/

Snopes liberal bias and incorrect info.

2 sources.

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:24 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh yea Benghazi! Ok 4 guys died on her watch. Do you hate Regan over Beirut?



"Only 4 guys died on her watch".

4 lives are still lives no matter what you say. 4 people won't return to their families. 4 people won't fulfill their dreams.

So what is a life to you then?

its not "only" its that you have to judge what It means that it happened on her watch and why it isn't equally outrageous when American personnel have gotten killed on someone else's watch.
whatever

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Ecnard
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Postby Ecnard » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:25 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ecnard wrote:

"Only 4 guys died on her watch".

4 lives are still lives no matter what you say. 4 people won't return to their families. 4 people won't fulfill their dreams.

So what is a life to you then?


And the 302 in Beruit?


Vietnam?

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:27 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Source?


http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... noped.html

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/20 ... -internet/

Snopes liberal bias and incorrect info.

2 sources.


Wait two blogs with claims and little or no sources. Well shoot.

Seriously sweat heart; a little more meat for evidence would be good. Even then; I suspect Snopes will admit mistakes and offer corrections long before your "evidence" would do that.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:28 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
And the 302 in Beruit?


Vietnam?


Korea!

So are you outraged by all that?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Ecnard
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Postby Ecnard » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:28 am

The Black Forrest wrote:


Wait two blogs with claims and little or no sources. Well shoot.

Seriously sweat heart; a little more meat for evidence would be good. Even then; I suspect Snopes will admit mistakes and offer corrections long before your "evidence" would do that.


One, you wanted sources, here they are.

Two, SWEAT heart? My heart has sweat or...what?

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:29 am

The Black Forrest wrote:


Wait two blogs with claims and little or no sources. Well shoot.

Seriously sweat heart; a little more meat for evidence would be good. Even then; I suspect Snopes will admit mistakes and offer corrections long before your "evidence" would do that.

the snopes article in question gives substantial quotes from named sources to make their case. at least in this case their article is excellent.
whatever

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Postby Miletos » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:29 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Source?


http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... noped.html

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/20 ... -internet/

Snopes liberal bias and incorrect info.

2 sources.


Your first source is a right-wing wingnut site that appears to support birthers.

Your second concludes with this:

"Snopes will continue to serve its purpose in debunking social media nonsense. Although there have been one or two cases where they haven’t been able to get an answer, or a case or two where perhaps they didn’t go back to update something when additional information comes forth, they generally do a great job investigating claims and rumors of all kinds–regardless of politics."

Do yourself a fucking favour and read/research the things you cite.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:30 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ecnard wrote:
Vietnam?


Korea!

So are you outraged by all that?


Civil War?!?
Let's start a war chain.
I want to improve.
grestin went through the MKULTRA program and he has more of a free will than wallenburg does - Imperial Idaho
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Postby Harkback Union » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:31 am

Norstal wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:
I have a hard time believing that laws concerning homosexual's rights to serve in the military makes any difference at all.

Really. You don't believe homosexuals receiving more rights and the deterioration of DOMA makes any difference at all. Kay. Don't know what backwater country you came from, but in here that's pretty important. Point is there's a clear difference between the two parties.


Really, The right to server in the army... How is that even a right? And how many people actually want it? 1000?
How does a thousand's desire to join the world's most murderous warmachine compare to policies that affect millions of not billions of people, such as:
- Foreign policy
- Social and military spending
- Environment protection and Economic policy
In these areas, the parties follow the exact same policies:
- Start wars left and right (too numerous to list), Finance/Arm terrorist rebels (Syria, Libia, Nicaragua, Haiti, Afghanistan) and murderous dictatorships (Haiti, Saudi arabia, Panama, Chile, Iraq, Columbia, Argentina) Undermine peace talks (Israel-Palestine, Ukraine, Iraq-Iran, Israel-Lebanon) and UN initiatives (Climate change, weapon trade regulations, De-arnament)
- Low taxes or even lower taxes, plenty of loopholes and deductions for the rich to exploit, Big bailouts for big companies, undercutting key social services and/or financing social services in a way so that most of the money ends up in pockets of election campaign donors. Oversized Military budget.
- Subsidy for fossil fuel extraction, little to no investment in green energy, Free trade laws that undermine wages both home and abroad while making the economy even more inefficient.
Obama, Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, Clinton, Nixon,... pretty much every US president since World war 2. They may use different rhetoric to get into office but their governments pretty much does the same, turn the US into a corporate bordello.

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Ecnard
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Postby Ecnard » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:32 am

Miletos wrote:


Your first source is a right-wing wingnut site that appears to support birthers.

Your second concludes with this:

"Snopes will continue to serve its purpose in debunking social media nonsense. Although there have been one or two cases where they haven’t been able to get an answer, or a case or two where perhaps they didn’t go back to update something when additional information comes forth, they generally do a great job investigating claims and rumors of all kinds–regardless of politics."

Do yourself a fucking favour and read/research the things you cite.


He wanted sources so I gave him sources.

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Postby Miletos » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:33 am

Ecnard wrote:
Miletos wrote:
Your first source is a right-wing wingnut site that appears to support birthers.

Your second concludes with this:

"Snopes will continue to serve its purpose in debunking social media nonsense. Although there have been one or two cases where they haven’t been able to get an answer, or a case or two where perhaps they didn’t go back to update something when additional information comes forth, they generally do a great job investigating claims and rumors of all kinds–regardless of politics."

Do yourself a fucking favour and read/research the things you cite.


He wanted sources so I gave him sources.


It doesn't really count when your first source is delusional and your second source contradicts your claim.
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:33 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wait two blogs with claims and little or no sources. Well shoot.

Seriously sweat heart; a little more meat for evidence would be good. Even then; I suspect Snopes will admit mistakes and offer corrections long before your "evidence" would do that.


One, you wanted sources, here they are.

Two, SWEAT heart? My heart has sweat or...what?


Interesting. So grammar is more important then facts?

Your sources would be shredded if they argued here.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:34 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh yea Benghazi! Ok 4 guys died on her watch. Do you hate Regan over Beirut?



"Only 4 guys died on her watch".

4 lives are still lives no matter what you say. 4 people won't return to their families. 4 people won't fulfill their dreams.

So what is a life to you then?

Reagan let 200 marines die in Lebanon. No one to day has ever said, "Beirutgate."

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Ashmoria
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:35 am

Harkback Union wrote:
Norstal wrote:Really. You don't believe homosexuals receiving more rights and the deterioration of DOMA makes any difference at all. Kay. Don't know what backwater country you came from, but in here that's pretty important. Point is there's a clear difference between the two parties.


Really, The right to server in the army... How is that even a right? And how many people actually want it? 1000?
How does a thousand's desire to join the world's most murderous warmachine compare to policies that affect millions of not billions of people, such as:
- Foreign policy
- Social and military spending
- Environment protection and Economic policy
In these areas, the parties follow the exact same policies:
- Start wars left and right (too numerous to list), Finance/Arm terrorist rebels (Syria, Libia, Nicaragua, Haiti, Afghanistan) and murderous dictatorships (Haiti, Saudi arabia, Panama, Chile, Iraq, Columbia, Argentina) Undermine peace talks (Israel-Palestine, Ukraine, Iraq-Iran, Israel-Lebanon) and UN initiatives (Climate change, weapon trade regulations, De-arnament)
- Low taxes or even lower taxes, plenty of loopholes and deductions for the rich to exploit, Big bailouts for big companies, undercutting key social services and/or financing social services in a way so that most of the money ends up in pockets of election campaign donors. Oversized Military budget.
- Subsidy for fossil fuel extraction, little to no investment in green energy, Free trade laws that undermine wages both home and abroad while making the economy even more inefficient.
Obama, Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, Clinton, Nixon,... pretty much every US president since World war 2. They may use different rhetoric to get into office but their governments pretty much does the same, turn the US into a corporate bordello.


civil rights is always an issue of top importance. it doesn't detract from the rest of the top issues to support full civil rights while also being on the right side of the others.
whatever

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:38 am

Ecnard wrote:
Miletos wrote:
Your first source is a right-wing wingnut site that appears to support birthers.

Your second concludes with this:

"Snopes will continue to serve its purpose in debunking social media nonsense. Although there have been one or two cases where they haven’t been able to get an answer, or a case or two where perhaps they didn’t go back to update something when additional information comes forth, they generally do a great job investigating claims and rumors of all kinds–regardless of politics."

Do yourself a fucking favour and read/research the things you cite.


He wanted sources so I gave him sources.


its sad to give crappy sources as to why a site is a crappy source.
whatever

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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:39 am

Ecnard wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Source?


http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/ ... noped.html

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/20 ... -internet/

Snopes liberal bias and incorrect info.

2 sources.

Wow, two biased sites claiming another is biased.

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Postby Jamzmania » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:40 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Ecnard wrote:

"Only 4 guys died on her watch".

4 lives are still lives no matter what you say. 4 people won't return to their families. 4 people won't fulfill their dreams.

So what is a life to you then?

Reagan let 200 marines die in Lebanon. No one to day has ever said, "Beirutgate."

Benghazi was the result of gross negligence of security, plus the fact that they lied about it for weeks afterwards. Beirut was unavoidable.
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No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."

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