Hillary Clinton to Launch 2016 Campaign

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

What impediment to civil rights?

Are you talking about gun laws, because that's pretty much the norm for Democrat candidates. Considering the psychotic crap her current competitors want to get enacted as laws, she's pretty moderate.

More the Patriot act, domestic spying, and condemnation of whistleblowers. But her position on firearms is also in there as well. In addition to her opposition to the electoral college (these are in descending order of seriousness, in case that wasn't obvious).

Well, you must accept that the electoral college is one of the worst things to happen to the United States political system since the FPTP system?

[The Black Forrest]

nd so, from the dormant volcano that is American politics, out flies Hillary, like Rodan the Flying Reptile pretending to be Granny Goose. Now that she is officially flapping around the electorate, the excitable mainstream press reports the initial caw-caw-cawing of her campaign: it will be “based on diversity, discipline and humbleness.” These are endearing qualities in any giant flying reptile, and reassuring to voters who might otherwise fear something a bit darker on the wing.


Yeah that about sums it up. From


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/shes-back/

Oh another doom and gloom guy. Probably has a book due out......

[Sanctissima]

What impediment to civil rights?

Are you talking about gun laws, because that's pretty much the norm for Democrat candidates. Considering the psychotic crap her current competitors want to get enacted as laws, she's pretty moderate.

More the Patriot act, domestic spying, and condemnation of whistleblowers. But her position on firearms is also in there as well. In addition to her opposition to the electoral college (these are in descending order of seriousness, in case that wasn't obvious).

The latter is something she probably wouldn't be able to do anything about as president, not without being impeached. The electoral college is pretty much what defines the American form of democracy. Really not something that anyone with a mind for public opinion would risk tampering with.

The others, with the exception of firearms, are positions her Republican competitors (I refer specifically to them since at this point, there is no other candidate for the Democrats) also support. In fact, they're quite a deal stricter and more extreme on the issues than she is.

[Ethel mermania]

More the Patriot act, domestic spying, and condemnation of whistleblowers. But her position on firearms is also in there as well. In addition to her opposition to the electoral college (these are in descending order of seriousness, in case that wasn't obvious).

Well, you must accept that the electoral college is one of the worst things to happen to the United States political system since the FPTP system?

No it isnt. the electoral college serves a purpose

[Ethel mermania]

nd so, from the dormant volcano that is American politics, out flies Hillary, like Rodan the Flying Reptile pretending to be Granny Goose. Now that she is officially flapping around the electorate, the excitable mainstream press reports the initial caw-caw-cawing of her campaign: it will be “based on diversity, discipline and humbleness.” These are endearing qualities in any giant flying reptile, and reassuring to voters who might otherwise fear something a bit darker on the wing.


Yeah that about sums it up. From


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/shes-back/

Oh another doom and gloom guy. Probably has a book due out......

Or he has watched hillary for the past 25 years, I would guess the latter.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, you must accept that the electoral college is one of the worst things to happen to the United States political system since the FPTP system?

No it isnt. the electoral college serves a purpose

And a wooden biplane serves a purpose too. A jet just does the same thing better.

[Occupied Deutschland]

More the Patriot act, domestic spying, and condemnation of whistleblowers. But her position on firearms is also in there as well. In addition to her opposition to the electoral college (these are in descending order of seriousness, in case that wasn't obvious).

Well, you must accept that the electoral college is one of the worst things to happen to the United States political system since the FPTP system?

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

The latter is something she probably wouldn't be able to do anything about as president, not without being impeached. The electoral college is pretty much what defines the American form of democracy. Really not something that anyone with a mind for public opinion would risk tampering with.

Indeed. It's indicative of a pattern of thought, however.

The others, with the exception of firearms, are positions her Republican competitors (I refer specifically to them since at this point, there is no other candidate for the Democrats) also support. In fact, they're quite a deal stricter and more extreme on the issues than she is.

Rand Paul actually beats her, quite handily, in regards to such issues.

Which is beside the point that 'Other guys are just as shitty as me!' isn't exactly a sterling argument for Mrs. Clinton.

[MERIZoC]

Well, you must accept that the electoral college is one of the worst things to happen to the United States political system since the FPTP system?

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

God forbid people actually got to vote properly.

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

God forbid people actually got to vote properly.

You'd go with pure majority?

[Atlanticatia]

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

So you prefer Florida doing it?

The most popular candidate should be President. One man, one vote - not one man, a bunch of votes if you live in a swing state, or one man, no vote if you live in a solid-blue or solid-red state.

I think the President should be elected via a popular vote, with the instant-runoff method.

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

So you prefer Florida doing it?

The most popular candidate should be President. One man, one vote - not one man, a bunch of votes if you live in a swing state, or one man, no vote if you live in a solid-blue or solid-red state.

I think the President should be elected via a popular vote, with the instant-runoff method.

You realize that only four times out of fifty-six has there been a case where that hasn't been the end result, right?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, you must accept that the electoral college is one of the worst things to happen to the United States political system since the FPTP system?

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

Which they won't, as has been proven already. I would enjoy it if people from Wyoming didn't have more voting power than the people of California by the merit of them being born somewhere else.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

God forbid people actually got to vote properly.

You'd go with pure majority?

A representational, proportional system would be a lot fairer. Also, it would break the current gridlock.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Fuck no.
I happen to prefer New York and California not determining the country's presidency, thank you.

Which they won't, as has been proven already. I would enjoy it if people from Wyoming didn't have more voting power than the people of California by the merit of them being born somewhere else.

Nah, it's still rather important to balance interests of states with large populations and those with smaller.

The federal government isn't meant to be and would be actively detrimental as an arm of the largest states.

But, this is all rather disconnected from Miss Clinton's presidential bid beyond her opposition to the EC system.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So you prefer Florida doing it?

The most popular candidate should be President. One man, one vote - not one man, a bunch of votes if you live in a swing state, or one man, no vote if you live in a solid-blue or solid-red state.

I think the President should be elected via a popular vote, with the instant-runoff method.

You realize that only four times out of fifty-six has there been a case where that hasn't been the end result, right?

"Hey! We have two systems here. One system fails every now and again, and the other system always represents the population properly. Oh, well, 'every now and again' isn't that often, better just roll with it.'

There are plenty of better options, and Hillary Clinton has the right idea on how to start. At least she has that!

[Atlanticatia]

Which they won't, as has been proven already. I would enjoy it if people from Wyoming didn't have more voting power than the people of California by the merit of them being born somewhere else.

Nah, it's still rather important to balance interests of states with large populations and those with smaller.

The federal government isn't meant to be and would be actively detrimental as an arm of the largest states.

But, this is all rather disconnected from Miss Clinton's presidential bid beyond her opposition to the EC system.

Why? Why should some place like Wyoming - a place where like 500,000 people live - be more important than somewhere like New York, California, or Texas? (where tens of millions of people live).

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

You realize that only four times out of fifty-six has there been a case where that hasn't been the end result, right?

"Hey! We have two systems here. One system fails every now and again, and the other system always represents the population properly. Oh, well, 'every now and again' isn't that often, better just roll with it.'

There are plenty of better options, and Hillary Clinton has the right idea on how to start. At least she has that!

The statement is more to the fact that except for Bush v Gore, it really hasn't been the voterpocalypse that people contend it is.

[MERIZoC]

God forbid people actually got to vote properly.

You'd go with pure majority?

Within the current statist system? Why not?

[MERIZoC]

Which they won't, as has been proven already. I would enjoy it if people from Wyoming didn't have more voting power than the people of California by the merit of them being born somewhere else.

Nah, it's still rather important to balance interests of states with large populations and those with smaller.

The federal government isn't meant to be and would be actively detrimental as an arm of the largest states.

But, this is all rather disconnected from Miss Clinton's presidential bid beyond her opposition to the EC system.

Oh yes, I forgot how the vote of someone in Idaho should be worth several times that of my own.

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

You'd go with pure majority?

Within the current statist system? Why not?

Mostly logistics. Elections would have to be held three days before the announcement of the winner.

[MERIZoC]

Within the current statist system? Why not?

Mostly logistics. Elections would have to be held three days before the announcement of the winner.

I'd rather have a bit of delay than the possibility of a stolen election.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Nah, it's still rather important to balance interests of states with large populations and those with smaller.

The federal government isn't meant to be and would be actively detrimental as an arm of the largest states.

But, this is all rather disconnected from Miss Clinton's presidential bid beyond her opposition to the EC system.

Why? Why should some place like Wyoming - a place where like 500,000 people live - be more important than somewhere like New York, California, or Texas? (where tens of millions of people live).

It's not. It's merely granted a (miniscully slight) advantage to compensate for it already being so much less important so that it's interests will have some relevance on the national stage.

Essentially the same reason we have two houses of Congress. Wyoming isn't 'more' important than NY, CA, or TX in presidential elections. That's absurd to even claim (as evidenced by the fact that NY, CA, and TX, have a fuck-ton more sway in the E.C. than Wyoming), it's essentially granted a handicap because it is part of the country just as NY, CA, and TX are. Which is wholly fair, since NY, CA, and TX are still significantly more important to winning the presidency than Wyoming.

[MERIZoC]

Why? Why should some place like Wyoming - a place where like 500,000 people live - be more important than somewhere like New York, California, or Texas? (where tens of millions of people live).

It's not. It's merely granted a (miniscully slight) advantage to compensate for it already being so much less important so that it's interests will have some relevance on the national stage.

Essentially the same reason we have two houses of Congress. Wyoming isn't 'more' important than NY, CA, or TX in presidential elections. That's absurd to even claim (as evidenced by the fact that NY, CA, and TX, have a fuck-ton more sway in the E.C. than Wyoming), it's essentially granted a handicap because it is part of the country just as NY, CA, and TX are. Which is wholly fair, since NY, CA, and TX are still significantly more important to winning the presidency than Wyoming.

It doesn't matter by state. It matters by person. And the fact is, a person from Wyoming is significantly more important to winning the election than a person from California.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Nah, it's still rather important to balance interests of states with large populations and those with smaller.

The federal government isn't meant to be and would be actively detrimental as an arm of the largest states.

But, this is all rather disconnected from Miss Clinton's presidential bid beyond her opposition to the EC system.

Oh yes, I forgot how the vote of someone in Idaho should be worth several times that of my own.

You gain an advantage in the House of Reps. to account for population and incentivize a representative branch.
Smaller states gain an advantage in the Presidency to account for their status as part of the nation and to incentivize an Executive branch that has some stake in accounting for multiple places interests.
It's quite sensible. Majority rule is fucking stupid for a state-based administration across such a broad and diverse geographic and political landscape as the US is.

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

Why? Why should some place like Wyoming - a place where like 500,000 people live - be more important than somewhere like New York, California, or Texas? (where tens of millions of people live).

It's not. It's merely granted a (miniscully slight) advantage to compensate for it already being so much less important so that it's interests will have some relevance on the national stage.

Essentially the same reason we have two houses of Congress. Wyoming isn't 'more' important than NY, CA, or TX in presidential elections. That's absurd to even claim (as evidenced by the fact that NY, CA, and TX, have a fuck-ton more sway in the E.C. than Wyoming), it's essentially granted a handicap because it is part of the country just as NY, CA, and TX are. Which is wholly fair, since NY, CA, and TX are still significantly more important to winning the presidency than Wyoming.

To wit:
http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_p ... mapid=bKHU

I put as blue all 20+ electoral vote states.

I put red as all others.

Red won the election.