Hillary Clinton to Launch 2016 Campaign

[Napkiraly]

Even granting your hysterical interpretation of Progressive Caucus member being a "socialist" ... electing a socialist president wouldn't make the US into the Soviet Union.

I mean look at France. They have a literal Socialist Party president and they haven't thrown all the journalists in the gulag or stolen all the peasants' chickens have they?

They have not.

Yes, they have not. Having a socialist president doesn't mean 1) USSR 2: Electric Proletariat 2) actually developing into a socialist society.

[AiliailiA]

We enslaved people of color and denied women the vote too....Black President down, Female President coming soon....anything is possible in the land of opportunity.

I would rather have Sarah Palin be the female President.

Oh yes please, try that!

Democrats' best chance of winning back the Senate. Might even get the the House

[Kelinfort]

I would rather have Sarah Palin be the female President.

Oh yes please, try that!

Democrats' best chance of winning back the Senate. Might even get the the House

The Dems would win 75 seats in the senate and 350 in the House if that happened.

[New Werpland]

Even granting your hysterical interpretation of Progressive Caucus member being a "socialist" ... electing a socialist president wouldn't make the US into the Soviet Union.

I mean look at France. They have a literal Socialist Party president and they haven't thrown all the journalists in the gulag or stolen all the peasants' chickens have they?

Nor have they nationalised everything or demanded that all business be run by worker's councils.

If you don't know already, the Socialist party of France has never been Socialist, they're social democrats. And now as the leftist policies of the Hollande government fail, and the government begins to backpedal, Blairite centrists are hopping on board(see Manuel Valls).

[United Russian Soviet States]

I want The Dragon Realms Empire to be disappointed on election night 2016. I want to be rejoicing.

[AiliailiA]

They have not.

Yes, they have not.

France has turned into the Soviet Union?
I guess that makes Quebec Cuba now

Having a socialist president doesn't mean 1) USSR 2: Electric Proletariat 2) actually developing into a socialist society.

Yup. They have a balance of powers too.

[New Werpland]

We enslaved people of color and denied women the vote too....Black President down, Female President coming soon....anything is possible in the land of opportunity.

I would rather have Sarah Palin be the female President.

[The Dragon Realms Empire]

That's what you think.

To be fair he's pretty spot on. Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist and that alone would turn a number of independents and even a number of democrats against voting for him.

Plus Sanders is better suited to the Senate. The US needs him there far more than it does in the White House.

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

[Kelinfort]

I want The Dragon Realms Empire to be disappointed on election night 2016. I want to be rejoicing.

Shocking that you belittle your opponent with cheerleading.

This is going to be a terrible first presidential election for me.

[United Russian Soviet States]

To be fair he's pretty spot on. Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist and that alone would turn a number of independents and even a number of democrats against voting for him.

Plus Sanders is better suited to the Senate. The US needs him there far more than it does in the White House.

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

That is a commie lie! Liars always get their say.

[Napkiraly]

Nor have they nationalised everything or demanded that all business be run by worker's councils.

If you don't know already, the Socialist party of France has never been Socialist, they're social democrats. And now as the leftist policies of the Hollande government fail, and the government begins to backpedal, Blairite centrists are hopping on board(see Manuel Valls).

I would never say "never". Just like the Labour party they were socialist but more slow reformed focused (the original meaning of social democrat). Mitterand even implemented a number of socialist inspired reforms back in the early 80's, when the SP won for the first time. They didn't go as planned and as the post-war consensus broke down, drifted more towards the Third Way and/or the new parameters of social democracy.

[The Dragon Realms Empire]

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

That is a commie lie! Liars always get their say.

Or maybe what you're saying is a Republican lie.

[Napkiraly]

To be fair he's pretty spot on. Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist and that alone would turn a number of independents and even a number of democrats against voting for him.

Plus Sanders is better suited to the Senate. The US needs him there far more than it does in the White House.

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

Last time I checked it was a plurality not majority. Lets also not forget that there is a massive libertarian streak among young people as well. There's also the fact that I suspect what many think of as "socialism" is mainly "doing it like the Europeans do it". Which ranges from France's dirigisme, Germany's social market economy, the UK's "Third Way", the Nordic model, etc.

All of which are also rather capitalist.

[New Werpland]

If you don't know already, the Socialist party of France has never been Socialist, they're social democrats. And now as the leftist policies of the Hollande government fail, and the government begins to backpedal, Blairite centrists are hopping on board(see Manuel Valls).

I would never say "never". Just like the Labour party they were socialist but more slow reformed focused (the original meaning of social democrat). Mitterand even implemented a number of socialist inspired reforms back in the early 80's, when the SP won for the first time. They didn't go as planned and as the post-war consensus broke down, drifted more towards the Third Way and/or the new parameters of social democracy.

Yeah, but from my knowledge Mitterand himself moved much more to the right when his bank nationalisation plan or whatever didn't work.

[Napkiraly]

Yes, they have not.

France has turned into the Soviet Union?
I guess that makes Quebec Cuba now

Having a socialist president doesn't mean 1) USSR 2: Electric Proletariat 2) actually developing into a socialist society.

Yup. They have a balance of powers too.

Quebec doesn't exist. It's a socialist lie.

[Napkiraly]

I would never say "never". Just like the Labour party they were socialist but more slow reformed focused (the original meaning of social democrat). Mitterand even implemented a number of socialist inspired reforms back in the early 80's, when the SP won for the first time. They didn't go as planned and as the post-war consensus broke down, drifted more towards the Third Way and/or the new parameters of social democracy.

Yeah, but from my knowledge Mitterand himself moved much more to the right when his bank nationalisation plan or whatever didn't work.

Indeed he did.

[AiliailiA]

Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist. If he was just a plain socialist, he'd join the Socialist Party.

As far as I can tell he's never been a member. Elected mayor of Burlington as an independent, later joined the Liberty Union party. Founded the Vermont Progressive Party and later the Progressive caucus. Not the Socialist Party though.

[The Dragon Realms Empire]

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

Last time I checked it was a plurality not majority. Lets also not forget that there is a massive libertarian streak among young people as well. There's also the fact that I suspect what many think of as "socialism" is mainly "doing it like the Europeans do it". Which ranges from France's dirigisme, Germany's social market economy, the UK's "Third Way", the Nordic model, etc.

All of which are also rather capitalist.

Even then, they are still further to the left than America, which is a start.

[United Russian Soviet States]

That is a commie lie! Liars always get their say.

Or maybe what you're saying is a Republican lie.

Republicans are generally honest.

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

Last time I checked it was a plurality not majority. Lets also not forget that there is a massive libertarian streak among young people as well. There's also the fact that I suspect what many think of as "socialism" is mainly "doing it like the Europeans do it". Which ranges from France's dirigisme, Germany's social market economy, the UK's "Third Way", the Nordic model, etc.

Young people need to be convinced that socialism is a cancer of the earth. Tomorrow shall belong to the righteous.

[Napkiraly]

Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist. If he was just a plain socialist, he'd join the Socialist Party.

As far as I can tell he's never been a member. Elected mayor of Burlington as an independent, later joined the Liberty Union party. Founded the Vermont Progressive Party and later the Progressive caucus. Not the Socialist Party though.

Plus iirc what he considers socialism is the just Nordic model (which already has a number of variations among the Nordic countries).

Bonus points most Americans support the level of income distribution in the Nordic countries.

[Napkiraly]

Or maybe what you're saying is a Republican lie.

Republicans are generally honest.

Last time I checked it was a plurality not majority. Lets also not forget that there is a massive libertarian streak among young people as well. There's also the fact that I suspect what many think of as "socialism" is mainly "doing it like the Europeans do it". Which ranges from France's dirigisme, Germany's social market economy, the UK's "Third Way", the Nordic model, etc.

Young people need to be convinced that socialism is a cancer of the earth. Tomorrow shall belong to the righteous.

You remind me so much of Liberty Prime.

[AiliailiA]

Actually I have been reading that the majority of young people in America look at Socialism positively, so it's really possible that society is moving to the left.

That is a commie lie! Liars always get their say.

Or maybe people like you have been describing anything to the left of Ronald Reagan as "socialist" so loudly that young people think that's what the word means?

[The Liberated Territories]

He is.

"I am not a libertarian...."
-Rand Paul

oshit

[United Russian Soviet States]

That is a commie lie! Liars always get their say.

Or maybe people like you have been describing anything to the left of Ronald Reagan as "socialist" so loudly that young people think that's what the word means?

That may be it.

[Mezzanera]

Today's NY Post sums it up pretty well: