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Do you support Hillary Clinton? What will be the 1# issue of 2016?

Yes, I support Hillary Clinton.
173
20%
No, I do not support Hillary Clinton.
300
34%
Healthcare
16
2%
Foreign Policy (ISIL,Iran,Yemen,Russia etc.)
134
15%
Debt/Deficit
22
3%
Economy (Unemployment,Wages,Trade, Taxes etc)
120
14%
Immigration
15
2%
Climate Change
24
3%
Civil Rights & Civil Liberties
55
6%
Other
13
1%
 
Total votes : 872

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:49 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Merizoc wrote:I'm sure Key can't be as bad as another Bush or Clinton.


He's more left wing than either of them.

Exactly.

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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:51 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
except conservatives still believe in personal liberty, which is hard to come by in those places.

like the liberty to marry who you want

the liberty to vote w/o an id

the liberty to smoke pot

and the liberty to die by your own decision when really sick

right?


hey we don't agree on everything

your more focused on religion as a scapegoat to coat the right.

for instance im a married gay republican military man, i understand we have religous elements, but your painting a broad picture.

and honestly if you can't prove your a US citizen with at least an I.D you have no business deciding who OUR leaders should be

I could care less if someone smokes pot(and things are already changing fast in this country, regardless of political leaning)
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Costa Fierro
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:53 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
He's more left wing than either of them.

things like this make me reconsider living in america


This is because America's concept of left-wing and right-wing politics is massively skewed. It's not particularly difficult to be more left-wing of any American political party purely because anything left of center is decried as "socialism".
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Ranoria
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Postby Ranoria » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:54 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:like the liberty to marry who you want

the liberty to vote w/o an id

the liberty to smoke pot

and the liberty to die by your own decision when really sick

right?

Or the liberty to get an abortion.

Or to immigrate without hassle.

I'm a conservative. Euthanasia, however you spell it, may be an anti of the party, but I support it.
Gay and lesbian marriages are just stupidly disgusting and against nature, which means there's a reason for male and female.
Voting w/o an id shouldn't be allowed dumbass. Any mexican, canadian (I love canada btw, don't get me wrong), hell anyone could vote, and a person could potentially vote multiple times. Remember Bleeding Kansas?
Smoking pot I honestly have no opinion on.
And abortion is murder.
Anything else?
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North Calaveras
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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:54 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:things like this make me reconsider living in america


This is because America's concept of left-wing and right-wing politics is massively skewed. It's not particularly difficult to be more left-wing of any American political party purely because anything left of center is decried as "socialism".


anything centre-right is outcried as fascism or religous bigotry...
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North Calaveras
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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:55 pm

Ranoria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Or the liberty to get an abortion.

Or to immigrate without hassle.

I'm a conservative. Euthanasia, however you spell it, may be an anti of the party, but I support it.
Gay and lesbian marriages are just stupidly disgusting and against nature, which means there's a reason for male and female.
Voting w/o an id shouldn't be allowed dumbass. Any mexican, canadian (I love canada btw, don't get me wrong), hell anyone could vote, and a person could potentially vote multiple times. Remember Bleeding Kansas?
Smoking pot I honestly have no opinion on.
And abortion is murder.
Anything else?


See this is the scapegoat you guys want ^^^
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Postby Ranoria » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:56 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:like the liberty to marry who you want

the liberty to vote w/o an id

the liberty to smoke pot

and the liberty to die by your own decision when really sick

right?


hey we don't agree on everything

your more focused on religion as a scapegoat to coat the right.

for instance im a married gay republican military man, i understand we have religous elements, but your painting a broad picture.

and honestly if you can't prove your a US citizen with at least an I.D you have no business deciding who OUR leaders should be

I could care less if someone smokes pot(and things are already changing fast in this country, regardless of political leaning)

See! This guy's got it...except for the gay thing...not that it's not okay to be gay, it's fine, just...don't talk about it or go kissing around homophobic guys like me and we all good!
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:56 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
He's more left wing than either of them.

Exactly.


Although, political alignment is subjective. Primarily because American concepts of left and right wing are biased to the right. In saying that, I've noted that there really isn't any middle ground in American politics. No proper centrist movement.
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Arumdaum
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arumdaum » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:57 pm

Ranoria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Or the liberty to get an abortion.

Or to immigrate without hassle.

I'm a conservative. Euthanasia, however you spell it, may be an anti of the party, but I support it.
Gay and lesbian marriages are just stupidly disgusting and against nature, which means there's a reason for male and female.
Voting w/o an id shouldn't be allowed dumbass. Any mexican, canadian (I love canada btw, don't get me wrong), hell anyone could vote, and a person could potentially vote multiple times. Remember Bleeding Kansas?
Smoking pot I honestly have no opinion on.
And abortion is murder.
Anything else?

this post reeks of personal liberty yuck Image
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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:57 pm

Ranoria wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
hey we don't agree on everything

your more focused on religion as a scapegoat to coat the right.

for instance im a married gay republican military man, i understand we have religous elements, but your painting a broad picture.

and honestly if you can't prove your a US citizen with at least an I.D you have no business deciding who OUR leaders should be

I could care less if someone smokes pot(and things are already changing fast in this country, regardless of political leaning)

See! This guy's got it...except for the gay thing...not that it's not okay to be gay, it's fine, just...don't talk about it or go kissing around homophobic guys like me and we all good!


It's okay, I'll defend your right to freedom of speech even though your views disgust me and make me consider you un-american cause that's my job. :roll:
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Founded: Mar 14, 2013
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:57 pm

Ranoria wrote:If she IS elected, there's an AR-15 round with her name on it.

Well aren't you the baddest motherfucker around?
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Postby Ranoria » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:57 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Ranoria wrote:I'm a conservative. Euthanasia, however you spell it, may be an anti of the party, but I support it.
Gay and lesbian marriages are just stupidly disgusting and against nature, which means there's a reason for male and female.
Voting w/o an id shouldn't be allowed dumbass. Any mexican, canadian (I love canada btw, don't get me wrong), hell anyone could vote, and a person could potentially vote multiple times. Remember Bleeding Kansas?
Smoking pot I honestly have no opinion on.
And abortion is murder.
Anything else?


See this is the scapegoat you guys want ^^^

Hey, we agree on most of this shit lol. Just that...I'm homophobic.
Fan of football, the Murican kind. But soccer is cool too! Just not really my thing. C(:^D/-<
I go by Ran. Unless, of course, you want to type out Ranoria. That's your decision.
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MERIZoC
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Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:57 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Exactly.


Although, political alignment is subjective. Primarily because American concepts of left and right wing are biased to the right. In saying that, I've noted that there really isn't any middle ground in American politics. No proper centrist movement.

You mean between the parties, or actual centrism?

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Founded: Dec 17, 2010
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Postby Vettrera » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:58 pm

Ranoria wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
hey we don't agree on everything

your more focused on religion as a scapegoat to coat the right.

for instance im a married gay republican military man, i understand we have religous elements, but your painting a broad picture.

and honestly if you can't prove your a US citizen with at least an I.D you have no business deciding who OUR leaders should be

I could care less if someone smokes pot(and things are already changing fast in this country, regardless of political leaning)

See! This guy's got it...except for the gay thing...not that it's not okay to be gay, it's fine, just...don't talk about it or go kissing around homophobic guys like me and we all good!

Yet straight people kiss around in public all the time. It's just a problem if your irrationally delicate sensibilities are touched?
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:58 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:like the liberty to marry who you want

the liberty to vote w/o an id

the liberty to smoke pot

and the liberty to die by your own decision when really sick

right?


hey we don't agree on everything

your more focused on religion as a scapegoat to coat the right.

for instance im a married gay republican military man, i understand we have religous elements, but your painting a broad picture.

and honestly if you can't prove your a US citizen with at least an I.D you have no business deciding who OUR leaders should be

I could care less if someone smokes pot(and things are already changing fast in this country, regardless of political leaning)

It's not about you personally, but rather what most conservatives in America believe, and what is consistently regarded by conservatives to be conservatism in this country.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:59 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Exactly.


No proper centrist movement.

I wish there was one. In the absence of one, the Democrats suffice.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
hey we don't agree on everything

your more focused on religion as a scapegoat to coat the right.

for instance im a married gay republican military man, i understand we have religous elements, but your painting a broad picture.

and honestly if you can't prove your a US citizen with at least an I.D you have no business deciding who OUR leaders should be

I could care less if someone smokes pot(and things are already changing fast in this country, regardless of political leaning)

It's not about you personally, but rather what most conservatives in America believe, and what is consistently regarded by conservatives to be conservatism in this country.


the problem with this nation is that everyone is under two blankets

everything from lef-leaning hippies to stalinist communists are in the democrat party and everything from 1950's style middle class families to hitlers third reich are stuffed into the republican party.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Ranoria wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
See this is the scapegoat you guys want ^^^

Hey, we agree on most of this shit lol. Just that...I'm homophobic.


I hope your understand how hypocritical you sound
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:03 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Although, political alignment is subjective. Primarily because American concepts of left and right wing are biased to the right. In saying that, I've noted that there really isn't any middle ground in American politics. No proper centrist movement.

You mean between the parties, or actual centrism?


Both. You're either a Republican or a Democrat. You can't say "I support both" or "I support the Republicans on x policies and Democrats on y policies". I'm sure there are a lot of Americans who don't feel that either party represents them entirely. And as for centrism, there really isn't a dedicated centrist party in the US.
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The 19th Century
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Postby The 19th Century » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:08 pm

Ranoria wrote:If she IS elected, there's an AR-15 round with her name on it.


You can't shoot an elected official simply because you find him or her disagreeable. That is not how things are done in civilized countries.

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:27 pm

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All men were created equal.
It was the dec of ind so you'd think an American Nationalist like you would agree.

I agree with that statement. That does not mean homosexuals have the right to marry.
This nation does not represent my views.
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Postby Vettrera » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:29 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
The Dragon Realms Empire wrote:All men were created equal.
It was the dec of ind so you'd think an American Nationalist like you would agree.

I agree with that statement. That does not mean homosexuals have the right to marry.

Do you mean have the rights to a government supported wedding, or have the rights to have a Christian-supported wedding?

Veering back on topic, the gay marriage train is rolling through and it's not in the interest of the Democrats or especially Republicans to stop it.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:33 pm

Ranoria wrote:If she IS elected, there's an AR-15 round with her name on it.

Threatening to kill a politician, the wife an ex-president to boot. Oh the police are going to love you.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:34 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
The Dragon Realms Empire wrote:All men were created equal.
It was the dec of ind so you'd think an American Nationalist like you would agree.

I agree with that statement. That does not mean homosexuals have the right to marry.

Then obviously you disagree with it.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:35 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
The Dragon Realms Empire wrote:All men were created equal.
It was the dec of ind so you'd think an American Nationalist like you would agree.

I agree with that statement. That does not mean homosexuals have the right to marry.

More then half of Americans and state governments disagree with you.
So what you think on this issue is irrelevant.
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