Hillary Clinton to Launch 2016 Campaign

[Aligned Planets]

In answering this poll some days ago, I found myself wishing that the question had been asked slightly differently.. as the conflation of the #1 issue of the day and Hillary's decision to run detracted from both positions. I was hoping to see whether people would support Hillary if she were the nominee-proper for the Democrats against the one of the more-likely candidates from the Republicans.

Anyway, I came across this on Buzzfeed earlier today: Would You Vote for Hillary Clinton?. It pits Hillary against Jeb Bush with a simple yes / no question, but breaks the answers down by age.

[Blakk Metal]

I find it odd that foreign policy is rated higher than economy, as if IS will somehow live to see 2016.

[Jamzmania]

I find it odd that foreign policy is rated higher than economy, as if IS will somehow live to see 2016.

Considering how long it took the US to respond to ISIS, and how half-heartedly the US is fighting against them now, and how slow their supposed withdrawal is, I would not be surprised one single bit if they not only survived into 2016, but held significant territory still.

[Oneracon]

The pretty-much inevitable "Very Slightly Lesser of Two Evils" candidate, not that her announcement was ever going to be a surprise.

[DBJ]

I find it odd that foreign policy is rated higher than economy, as if IS will somehow live to see 2016.

Not everyone here is an american. They'll be more concerned with US foreign policy.

[Blakk Metal]

I find it odd that foreign policy is rated higher than economy, as if IS will somehow live to see 2016.

Not everyone here is an american. They'll be more concerned with US foreign policy.

As if the economy of Britain is any better.

[DBJ]

Not everyone here is an american. They'll be more concerned with US foreign policy.

As if the economy of Britain is any better.

ok?

[Dakini]

The only people who are for GMO labeling and/or anti-GMO are people who are either uninformed or basically scientifically illiterate.

What is wrong with labeling?

It's costly and serves only to assuage the paranoia of the scientifically illiterate. Also, all foods are genetically modified.

If there is nothing wrong with GMOs, then why not kabel them?

Since there's nothing wrong with the GMOs that make it to market (e.g. they're tested for safety far more than other foods), why bother labeling them? In addition, because labeling basically only happens because people are paranoid, supermarkets will be more likely to refuse to sell GM foods out of fear that customers will not buy them. As a customer who is totally cool with eating food that's more disease resistant, requiring less growing space for higher yields and therefore less damage to the environment, I would not want to see my choice disappearing from shelves because some people don't bother to understand science and just go with their gut "omg, frankenfoods!" reaction.

Hillary is paid off by Monsanto.

Monsanto is not the only company that creates genetically modified foods (the Arctic Apple, for example, is created by Okanagan Specialty Fruits Inc., a small company that is owned by its employees). Also, are the WHO and the AAS also paid off by Monsanto?

Monsanto already killed millions of people with Agent Orange and Asbestos.

You're aware that Asbestos is a set of naturally occurring minerals, right?

GMO corn has been killing monarch butterflies!

Source, please.

You are uninformed and brainwashed by corporate propaganda!

No, I've just read more reliable sources than you have and likely have a better bullshit detector.

Do you not want to know what goes in your mouth?

I do know. It's food and it's tasty.

The only people who are for GMO labeling and/or anti-GMO are people who are either uninformed or basically scientifically illiterate.

That isn't an argument against labelling. Do you have an argument against labelling GMO's?

Do you want me to rehash any of the numerous articles that have been published over the years? (of which I'm linking one because I'm lazy and hungover) This isn't a thread about GMOs. This is a thread about Hillary Clinton declaring her candidacy in the upcoming (hah!) election, so I responded with a short comment instead of a detailed argument. The fact that Ms. Clinton is either not scientifically illiterate or is not advised by scientific illiterates is comforting.

[The United Territories of Providence]

I find it odd that foreign policy is rated higher than economy, as if IS will somehow live to see 2016.

Our Foreign policy extends beyond ISIL....There's the Iran Nuclear Deal, Boko Haram, The Russian insurgency in Ukraine, Somalia, Bashir-Al-Assad, Kim Jong-Un, Unpredictable China, Egypt, Libya and that's to name a few things on our plate.

Oh, and let's not forget about the new issue. The Houthi's, which have overthrown the Yemeni government. Yemen, our middle eastern ally in the war on terror....Was overthrown by a group that teaches children to chant "Death to America, Death to Israel, Damn the Jews."....so there's that.

[Arumdaum]

I find it odd that foreign policy is rated higher than economy, as if IS will somehow live to see 2016.

Our Foreign policy extends beyond ISIL....There's the Iran Nuclear Deal, Boko Haram, The Russian insurgency in Ukraine, Somalia, Bashir-Al-Assad, Kim Jong-Un, Unpredictable China, Egypt, Libya and that's to name a few things on our plate.

Oh, and let's not forget about the new issue. The Houthi's, which have overthrown the Yemeni government. Yemen, our middle eastern ally in the war on terror....Was overthrown by a group that teaches children to chant "Death to America, Death to Israel, Damn the Jews."....so there's that.

Unpredictable China?..

[The Black Forrest]

Monsanto already killed millions of people with Agent Orange and Asbestos.

You're aware that Asbestos is a set of naturally occurring minerals, right?

It is but there was a era of "oh don't worry about it" when they were using it everywhere. Free market after all. There has been tons of payouts. Not sure of the numbers myself. Known one person to die from it as he worked in the shipyards.....

GMO corn has been killing monarch butterflies!

Source, please.

There is a new report which has started the arguments again. Can't remember where I read it.

I would place the blame in the reduction of milkweed and the use o herbicides...

[Norstal]

If California is the only state capable of outperforming Germany despite not being able to do so, then why isn't he a good governor out of all the other states' governor?

I'm confused about the second part of your question, do you mean to ask why Jerry Brown isn't a better governor than other states' governors? If so, I'll admit he's the lesser of evils compared to other governors, but, given California's GDP/Population ratio superiority over Germany (and, in a state to state comparison, superior to North Rhine-Westphalia), our state is inefficient. There is too little fighting demanding efficiency after 40 years of Jerry's career in politics.

I'm just saying, if he's the best governor out of all the governors that was elected, from both parties, then he's by every measure a good governor since he's above average.

[Crimiea]

I'm confused about the second part of your question, do you mean to ask why Jerry Brown isn't a better governor than other states' governors? If so, I'll admit he's the lesser of evils compared to other governors, but, given California's GDP/Population ratio superiority over Germany (and, in a state to state comparison, superior to North Rhine-Westphalia), our state is inefficient. There is too little fighting demanding efficiency after 40 years of Jerry's career in politics.

I'm just saying, if he's the best governor out of all the governors that was elected, from both parties, then he's by every measure a good governor since he's above average.

I'll also admit that he's a lot better than other governors in our country, but, my disappointment in his administration is, as I've stated posts ago, that we as a state have every reason to trump the nation of Germany. To be more fair, we're supposed to be trumping even the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia, Bavaria, and Baden-Württemberg (both individually and the three states combined) but they all trump California.

My opinion of the nation as a whole regarding state governors: he's better than many, but not the best. Until Jerry Brown brings us back to the paradise that was Pat Brown's administration, he is still an inefficient governor after 40+ years of having a political career. Numbers showed how inefficient Brown, Schwarzenegger, Davis, and everyone before them and after Pat Brown are compared to the state of North Rhine-Westphalia and the entire nation of Germany.

An inefficient governor is an inefficient governor no matter how good they are compared to other inefficient governors.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Our Foreign policy extends beyond ISIL....There's the Iran Nuclear Deal, Boko Haram, The Russian insurgency in Ukraine, Somalia, Bashir-Al-Assad, Kim Jong-Un, Unpredictable China, Egypt, Libya and that's to name a few things on our plate.

Oh, and let's not forget about the new issue. The Houthi's, which have overthrown the Yemeni government. Yemen, our middle eastern ally in the war on terror....Was overthrown by a group that teaches children to chant "Death to America, Death to Israel, Damn the Jews."....so there's that.

Unpredictable China?..

Is that really all you got from that?

[Arumdaum]

Unpredictable China?..

Is that really all you got from that?

Why should I bother to respond to all of your post?

[The United Republic of Prussia]

I really do not want Hilary as president, she is worse than Obama when it comes to civil liberties. She is completely anti-gun, in the sense that she wants them all banned or heavy regulated. She also is way to pro-gay rights for me, I am not against gay people; I have no issue with them. I just do not like how that if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

Plus she is a corporate pet.
And Obamas old pet.
And Benghazi
And External Hardrives
And Watergate
And etc.

[Dyakovo]

I really do not want Hilary as president, she is worse than Obama when it comes to civil liberties. She is completely anti-gun, in the sense that she wants them all banned or heavy regulated. She also is way to pro-gay rights for me, I am not against gay people; I have no issue with them. I just do not like how that if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

Plus she is a corporate pet.
And Obamas old pet.
And Benghazi
And External Hardrives
And Watergate
And etc.

She had nothing to do with Watergate, and there is no scandal about Benghazi.

[The United Republic of Prussia]

I really do not want Hilary as president, she is worse than Obama when it comes to civil liberties. She is completely anti-gun, in the sense that she wants them all banned or heavy regulated. She also is way to pro-gay rights for me, I am not against gay people; I have no issue with them. I just do not like how that if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

Plus she is a corporate pet.
And Obamas old pet.
And Benghazi
And External Hardrives
And Watergate
And etc.

She had nothing to do with Watergate, and there is no scandal about Benghazi.

She did work on the Watergate Scandal back in the 70's----http://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/
And the scandal about Benghazi, there is something there. Not deploying marines to assist out the embassy even when it asked for reinforcements, lying to the public about what happened, continuous refusal to disclose information, and others. She has sneaked around way to much in the shadows.

[Dakini]

You're aware that Asbestos is a set of naturally occurring minerals, right?

It is but there was a era of "oh don't worry about it" when they were using it everywhere.

It's almost like stuff doesn't immediately declare itself a carcinogen and it takes people time to figure that out.

Source, please.

There is a new report which has started the arguments again. Can't remember where I read it.

I would place the blame in the reduction of milkweed and the use o herbicides...

That's not a source. This is a source, which reviews a few studies and finds that in actual fields, the BT corn pollen dose is much less than required to produce a toxic effect in butterflies. Furthermore, the specific type of BT corn which had any negative effect on butterflies was phased out in 2003 and replaced with a different kind which does not produce this effect at all. The use of BT corn also allows farmers to use less pesticide than regular corn, which means that it should have a net positive effect on butterflies and also that farmers should be able to get a higher yield from their corn.

The entire BT corn kills butterflies idea came from a single study in 1999 in which butterflies and their larvae were only permitted to eat milkweed which had been contaminated by an unrealistically high level of BT corn pollen. These levels of pollen are not found in nature (nor are butterflies limited to foraging in such heavily contaminated conditions) and this specific type of corn has not been used in more than a decade.

edit: Oh yeah, and the older study also included the plant's anthers, which were ground up, instead of just using the pollen. The anthers are not generally consumed by butterflies (and especially not by their larvae), but they contain much higher levels of BT than the pollen alone. When scientists did not grind up the anthers and fed only the pollen to the butterflies, the negative effect disappeared.

[Blakk Metal]

She had nothing to do with Watergate, and there is no scandal about Benghazi.

She did work on the Watergate Scandal back in the 70's----http://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/
And the scandal about Benghazi, there is something there. Not deploying marines to assist out the embassy even when it asked for reinforcements, lying to the public about what happened, continuous refusal to disclose information, and others. She has sneaked around way to much in the shadows.

I find the argument about Benghazi to be a complete and total waste of time. No matter how it went down, it was still the Obama regime's fault that Libya and Iraq are filled to the brim with jihadis today, a failure far more pathetic than anything that could have occurred in Benghazi.

[The United Republic of Prussia]

She did work on the Watergate Scandal back in the 70's----http://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/
And the scandal about Benghazi, there is something there. Not deploying marines to assist out the embassy even when it asked for reinforcements, lying to the public about what happened, continuous refusal to disclose information, and others. She has sneaked around way to much in the shadows.

I find the argument about Benghazi to be a complete and total waste of time. No matter how it went down, it was still the Obama regime's fault that Libya and Iraq are filled to the brim with jihadis today, a failure far more pathetic than anything that could have occurred in Benghazi.

Good point but, I won't touch anyone from Obama's regime with a one hundred foot pole, I don't believe that they can be trusted.

[Crimiea]

I really do not want Hilary as president, she is worse than Obama when it comes to civil liberties. She is completely anti-gun, in the sense that she wants them all banned or heavy regulated. She also is way to pro-gay rights for me, I am not against gay people; I have no issue with them. I just do not like how that if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

Plus she is a corporate pet.
And Obamas old pet.
And Benghazi
And External Hardrives
And Watergate
And etc.

So regulating guns is bad, but regulating marriage isn't? That's still government intervention in people's private lives. As for society telling you not to criticize gay marriage, society also tells you not to criticize:
Interracial relationships (like I am in now)
Inter religious relationships (like I am in now)
Christianity
Islam
Judaism (My religion)
Irreligious
The wealthy
The poor

if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

This.
We're only extending this law (which is still being violated across the country) to include homosexuals because they're just as American as everyone else. If you refuse to service Mr.Gay because he was being an obnoxious drunk, by all means, the reason is sound. If you were to refuse service to Mrs.Lesbian because your religion says they're evil (despite Cesare Borgia, famous portrait being worshiped as Jesus and was a cardinal for Rome, had an affair with Leonardo Di Vinci), then that is refusal of service based on a person's identity which, if (or is already) the law extended protection for homosexuals, is just as grave of an offense according to the act as refusing Jewish Americans or Disabled Veterans because the owner hates Jews and the disabled. If a Muslim owner was to deny service to a reincarnation of Girolamo Savonarola because of his religion, then the refusal of service is discriminatory in nature and is illegal under the CRA of 1964.

Your freedom ends when it violates the rights of others in a secular society. Unless Hillary's willing to have a civil war by ripping the bill of rights in half, she is unable to ban guns and can only go as far as preventing Amazon from selling guns without background check. Meaning the most she can do is regulate, not outright ban. Then again, it's concerning how it's evil to regulate guns, but not evil to regulate what people do in their bedrooms or deny them secular, Islamic, Jewish, various Christian sect, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, and/or Shinto methods of marriage.

You have nothing against gays and dislike Hillary because she is worse than Obama regrading civil liberties because she believes gays are people in a country where there are various forms of marriage besides the Christian definition and is unable to ban guns.

[Dyakovo]

She had nothing to do with Watergate, and there is no scandal about Benghazi.

She did work on the Watergate Scandal back in the 70's----http://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/
And the scandal about Benghazi, there is something there. Not deploying marines to assist out the embassy even when it asked for reinforcements, lying to the public about what happened, continuous refusal to disclose information, and others. She has sneaked around way to much in the shadows.

Working on the investigation of Watergate does not make her involved in Watergate.
No, there is no scandal about Benghazi.

[Dyakovo]

She did work on the Watergate Scandal back in the 70's----http://www.truthorfiction.com/clinton-watergate/
And the scandal about Benghazi, there is something there. Not deploying marines to assist out the embassy even when it asked for reinforcements, lying to the public about what happened, continuous refusal to disclose information, and others. She has sneaked around way to much in the shadows.

I find the argument about Benghazi to be a complete and total waste of time. No matter how it went down, it was still the Obama regime's fault that Libya and Iraq are filled to the brim with jihadis today, a failure far more pathetic than anything that could have occurred in Benghazi.

"Obama regime"
Also, no, it is not the fault of the Obama administration that Libya and Iraq are "filled to the brim with jihadis".

[The United Republic of Prussia]

I really do not want Hilary as president, she is worse than Obama when it comes to civil liberties. She is completely anti-gun, in the sense that she wants them all banned or heavy regulated. She also is way to pro-gay rights for me, I am not against gay people; I have no issue with them. I just do not like how that if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

Plus she is a corporate pet.
And Obamas old pet.
And Benghazi
And External Hardrives
And Watergate
And etc.

So regulating guns is bad, but regulating marriage isn't? That's still government intervention in people's private lives. As for society telling you not to criticize gay marriage, society also tells you not to criticize:
Interracial relationships (like I am in now)
Inter religious relationships (like I am in now)
Christianity
Islam
Judaism (My religion)
Irreligious
The wealthy
The poor

if you even speak out against gay marriage or if you refuse to cater to their needs your business can be sued and you can be sued and lose everything you worked for because "muh equality and equal rights".

This.
We're only extending this law (which is still being violated across the country) to include homosexuals because they're just as American as everyone else. If you refuse to service Mr.Gay because he was being an obnoxious drunk, by all means, the reason is sound. If you were to refuse service to Mrs.Lesbian because your religion says they're evil (despite Cesare Borgia, famous portrait being worshiped as Jesus and was a cardinal for Rome, had an affair with Leonardo Di Vinci), then that is refusal of service based on a person's identity which, if (or is already) the law extended protection for homosexuals, is just as grave of an offense according to the act as refusing Jewish Americans or Disabled Veterans because the owner hates Jews and the disabled. If a Muslim owner was to deny service to a reincarnation of Girolamo Savonarola because of his religion, then the refusal of service is discriminatory in nature and is illegal under the CRA of 1964.

Your freedom ends when it violates the rights of others in a secular society. Unless Hillary's willing to have a civil war by ripping the bill of rights in half, she is unable to ban guns and can only go as far as preventing Amazon from selling guns without background check. Meaning the most she can do is regulate, not outright ban. Then again, it's concerning how it's evil to regulate guns, but not evil to regulate what people do in their bedrooms or deny them secular, Islamic, Jewish, various Christian sect, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, and/or Shinto methods of marriage.

You have nothing against gays and dislike Hillary because she is worse than Obama regrading civil liberties because she believes gays are people in a country where there are various forms of marriage besides the Christian definition and is unable to ban guns.

You're Jewish, as well as am I.

I do not think gay marriage should be illegal, it should be up to the states, I just think that if you want to refuse service based upon your religion it should be fine. We live in a country with a free market and, I think gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to refuse service to straight people, they own the business they should make the rules of who comes in and goes out. I believe in civil rights for all when it comes to the states and federal levels, that means religious as well as martial rights. I am not saying that you can refuse service JUST because of religion, that is silly but, it is your business (you own the land and the titles), you should be able to refuse service to whomever you want and, this goes for everybody, I don't care about what you identify with. I believe in a truly free market.

When it comes to guns, they are regulated. The NFA regulates which guns can be bought and owned even though the second amendment says "Shall not be infringed". We are already limiting what you can own and how you can purchase it so that it is difficult to own a gun in certain areas and states. Hillary will not go and make them illegal but she could pass and executive order that would make it mandatory to have a gun license and then make it nearly impossible to have a gun license.

I want to be able to own as many guns as I wish to purchase because people still hate my people in this day and age. My temple was attacked by people who hated Jews, our cars were vandalized. I want to own my guns, my life line so that I can prevent any violence against my family, my people, and I.