"No individual fashion statements allowed".

[Rolling squid]

Sure they accomplish things. It eliminates the effort to wear whatever overpriced crap that is supposed to grant the perception you are "special."

You can't learn because of a uniform? That's not the policies fault.

There are many cases where parents don't mind the uniform policy as they tend to be cheaper.

Huh. Then people are stupid. shop at a thrift shop. The clothes work just as well, look better, and are a tenth the price.

Ahh no. They can as it happens all the time. If the school board wants it and the parents are for it, you are SOL.

You sure? I know they can mandate dress standards, but can they put an exact uniform into place? I'll be honest, my understanding of the constitution and related documents comes from high school gov.

[Alsatian Knights]

Seriously, I want to know, what exactly does a uniform have to do with learning? Class Room Distractions? Right, excuse my while I plant the BS Flag in pile of BS on top of mount BS in the BS-y Kingdom of BS thats also full of BS.

Now before I begin the rest of my triade against School Uniforms, yes I was in JROTC, and yes we did have to wear the Uniform and yes I did wear that uniform, and yes I did go to a Middle School that had a Uniform Policy.

So lets begin, according to this; schools report that students tend to do more studying when in "work clothes" this I also raise the flag on, at my middle school I tended not to work cause of the Uniforms instead I day dreamed about going home and changing clothes.

The site also says that uniforms promote "good" discipline, this is also false, my class (as in the one I graduated High School with) hated the faculty for the uniforms and acted out more on regular days rather than "Free Wear" Days. So Uniforms don't promote good discipline.

Uh, Fights and Violence over something like that? Um...not really, in my high school I never once heard of a fight over who was wearing what, it was mostly over who stole whose girl and who slept with whose boyfriend or girl. In Middle School we fought over the uniforms cause well we couldn't hit teachers with out being called psychotic.

Distractions? See my opening paragraph.

Uniforms are cheaper? Right, one uniform for my middle school (one blue, yellow, or khaki shirt no collarless or long sleeves, one blue or khaki set of slacks with no pockets and no shorts and no bell bottoms or "baggyness", one set of mid-calf blue socks, and one set of black, blue, or white tennis shoes) cost about $200s cause the shirts had to have the logo and the pants had to have "Kings Middle School" down the seems, and the shoes had to be non marking or skidding. As a result I was stuck with the same three sets of uniforms for three years and I spent less on clothing in High School and Real Life.

Values are pretty much hammered into our heads from birth I'd think by the time we'd have to wear uniforms we'd each know that we're special in some way or another.

Individuality? See above.

There were so many discipline problems at my school concerning the uniforms that you could be referred to the principle (something you don't want to happen in US Schools) in which you'd receive the customary corporal punishment so during 7th grade parents began to send in letters telling the school not to paddle their children, so instead they got suspended, grades dropped and the school went from an A school to a D School in one year. (That btw was the killing blow for the uniforms).

The very little contribution to academics is that it causes kids, in my experience, not to want to do anything besides get out of the uniform, especially if they went from a school that doesn't wear one to one that does, as in my case.

[Alexlantis]

^This. Well said.

[Blitzkrenia]

Uniforms are cheaper? Right, one uniform for my middle school (one blue, yellow, or khaki shirt no collarless or long sleeves, one blue or khaki set of slacks with no pockets and no shorts and no bell bottoms or "baggyness", one set of mid-calf blue socks, and one set of black, blue, or white tennis shoes) cost about $200s cause the shirts had to have the logo and the pants had to have "Kings Middle School" down the seems, and the shoes had to be non marking or skidding. As a result I was stuck with the same three sets of uniforms for three years and I spent less on clothing in High School and Real Life.

That's true. My uniform cost about $750.

[Tunizcha]

Fuck uniformity. Dye your hair purple and wear orange leather jeans.

[Blitzkrenia]

Fuck uniformity. Dye your hair purple and wear orange leather jeans.

That would get the student suspended or even expelled (especially in cases of multiple incidents like so), or at least in Korea. Which is rather idiotic.

[Unchecked Expansion]

You know what uniforms are really good for? Keeping track of students. They're distinctive, if it's on a trip out in public, teachers can spot them. If a student's in an accident, or a crime, people can spot it. Also helps stop random people wandering around the school, when you know what everyone's wearing strangers stand out.
Plus it looks snazzy in group photos. I never really had any problem with wearing mine, and I don't think I'm a mindless drone.

[Tekania]

School Uniforms are a great tool for personifying the equality of the school community, and removing non-academic and unnecessary expression in the learning environment.

[Tekania]

He thinks all the British are the same.

They are. They all talk funny, drive on the wrong side of the road, drink tea and eat scones, get overly hyped up over soccer (the proper name for it), are obsessed with a useless queen, are alcoholic, and have bad teeth.

Well, calling a game wherein a majority of the time the ball in play is in contact with the foot of a player "football" makes a hell of a lot more sense than calling a game where the ball spends most of its time being cuddled by a some sweaty fuggly dude after he catches it with his hands "football"... As a national game it most certainly does personify exactly how stupid the general American populace is, right after "Nascar" of course...

[Linux and the X]

I'd file a first amendment complaint.

[Tekania]

I'd file a first amendment complaint.

It's a school, anyone who is in a school and thinks they need to exercise their first amendment rights needs to be forthwith expelled and condemned to a life cleaning port-a-potties with a tooth-brush.... Since they will only end up denying others rights to an education....

[Maurepas]

Uniforms are lame, the only good reason I've heard for having them is to stop the alienation of the poorer students, but, when the wealthier students can just buy more expensive uniforms, it defeats the purpose...

And considering the individualism that you lose, I think not having uniforms ultimately has more on its side...Hell, our dress code was never even enforced, I wore a Wallet chain all through school,

[Linux and the X]

I'd file a first amendment complaint.

It's a school, anyone who is in a school and thinks they need to exercise their first amendment rights needs to be forthwith expelled and condemned to a life cleaning port-a-potties with a tooth-brush.... Since they will only end up denying others rights to an education....

[Pope Joan]

I think uniforms are just dandy.

http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7933011476/ ... 03/6-1.jpg

Seriously, they do prevent richer kids from lording it over those on a more modest budget, which is fine with me.

They do little to promote modesty, however.

I used to drive a bus, and although I drove for the public schools we also carried the Catholic students.

When they got out of school, the girls would hike their skirts up until the hem was near the waistline; then they would know the front short tails in a high bow, a la Britney Spears.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

It's a school, anyone who is in a school and thinks they need to exercise their first amendment rights needs to be forthwith expelled and condemned to a life cleaning port-a-potties with a tooth-brush.... Since they will only end up denying others rights to an education....

You would have condemned many of the most important intellectuals throughout history.

[Pope Joan]

SCOTUS forty years ago, inTinker v. Des Moines Board of Education, {students who were suspended from school for wearing black armbands protesting the Vietnam War). Said that students had full COnstitutional rights, especially free speech.

"But over the four decades since Tinker, students have lost virtually every major case before the Supreme Court. One justice, Clarence Thomas, has gone so far as to declare that students have no constitutional rights in schools. He argues that schools act in a parental role—in loco parentis—and thus should not have to comply with the Constitution."

http://www.snmag.com/MAGAZINE/Features/ ... ution.html

[Blouman Empire]

it can be.

it would have to be a very good school with a very good reason before i would subject my child to such rigid thinking.

So you think uniform enforces a way of thinking?
If so, I don't agree.

Neither do I we had to wear a uniform but weren't conformist or and still rebelled against teachers.

[Blouman Empire]

As if we needed to suppress a given student body's individualism. Really, uniforms do nothing but inconvenience at best. Idiocy really.

You mean it is convenient, you don't have to think about what outfit you have to wear.

[New Kereptica]

As if we needed to suppress a given student body's individualism. Really, uniforms do nothing but inconvenience at best. Idiocy really.

You mean it is convenient, you don't have to think about what outfit you have to wear.

You're certainly not forced to think about what you are going to wear when you have a choice of clothes, beyond weather (which is somewhat open to opinion itself, really). I, for instance, just throw on whatever I pick up first.

[Blouman Empire]

He thinks all the British are the same.

They are. They all talk funny, drive on the wrong side of the road, drink tea and eat scones, get overly hyped up over soccer (the proper name for it), are obsessed with a useless queen, are alcoholic, and have bad teeth.

You're wrong.

The proper name is Association Football.

[Blouman Empire]

We must band together in a large group to oppose conformity!

We all must be non-conformist to fight conformity.

[NERVUN]

He thinks all the British are the same.

They are. They all talk funny, drive on the wrong side of the road, drink tea and eat scones, get overly hyped up over soccer (the proper name for it), are obsessed with a useless queen, are alcoholic, and have bad teeth.

You're wrong.

The proper name is Association Football.

Everyone apparently didn't read what I wrote, so we'll try again.
THIS IS NOT A US VS UK THREAD. THIS IS NOT A SOCCER VS FOOTBALL THREAD. THIS IS A SCHOOL UNIFORM THREAD.
Now knock it off or I will start stuffing and mounting heads on the forum wall.

[Arumdaum]

No, unless worn by Japanese schoolgirls.

But in all seriousness, I don't like the idea of school uniforms due to the fact that they take away our right to express ourselves through clothing.

[Blouman Empire]

How could I guess this was going to degenerate from playful humour into full-on "My country is better than your country!" ego masturbation?

Because the Seppos had to take it a step to far.

[Blitzkrenia]

No, unless worn by Japanese schoolgirls.

But in all seriousness, I don't like the idea of school uniforms due to the fact that they take away our right to express ourselves through clothing.

Well, in Korea, at least, nearly all girls and some of the boys do give their uniforms some "individuality" by shortening and tightening pants, skirts and shirts...