"No individual fashion statements allowed".

[EvilDarkMagicians]

School is not for expressing your fucking individuality (which schoolkids generally have little of to express anyway). Jaysus. How about developing a sodding personality instead?

The uniform principle is great; however, there are issues of cost that need to be taken into consideration.

That's my dads point of view.

[New Sociopia]

A uniform is a tool of ideological and sociological conditioning and control. Give me empirical evidence that a uniform enhances the ability to learn and reduces liklihood of bullying and I'll endorse it then.

My hair's red. This may have been an issue in my high school. Oddly, the sixth form students were no longer required to wear a uniform or submit to any kind of dress code. At the age of 17 exactly do you transcend the need for 'focussed learning' and the risk of bullying evaporates? A nearby sixth form college to the one I went to was one of the highest performing in the country and had no uniform or dress code.

[Helertia]

School is not for expressing your fucking individuality (which schoolkids generally have little of to express anyway). Jaysus. How about developing a sodding personality instead?

The uniform principle is great; however, there are issues of cost that need to be taken into consideration.

Because dressing a certain way =/= having a personality
obviously.

[Urzamalandi]

If it wasn't for uniform i'd have been picked out even more as the loner geeky kid. I didn't have any quality/stylish/branded clothing until i could afford them myself (14 or so). "Why buy you good clothes when you'll grow out of them in a month?" and all those similar statements, which is all well and good and very true.

By the time i was in high school i customized my uniform anyway (hoodie under the blazer there, baseball cap here etc, trainers/sneakers more often than no), which wasn't allowed but was more hassle than it's worth for the teachers to fight it, which let people be the individuals and wear what they wanted to a degree, without people who didn't being singled out.

(I did the same whilst i wasn't self employed too come to think of it... Uniform started off properly, over the time of my employment the trousers got replaced with jeans, the work boots got replaced with trainers, the fleece got replaced with a hoodie... Still kept the work branded polo shirt though heh.)



When i was at school i came from a very middle class background, yet all my peers and friends from more working class backgrounds always had the latest trainers and other branded clothing (this also extended to branded food). This to me seems the wrong way round since i always had the cheap clothing, the supermarket branded food in my lunch box.

Then i was the one who went on safari in Africa while my peers when to Brighton.

[Big Jim P]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

[Alexlantis]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

Sigging this.

[Saige Dragon]

people argue it lessens bulying. kids are kids and will find some way to pick on one another in more harmful ways.

Yes, for example I bullied the children who went to schools that required them to wear a uniform via myspace. See, proof that school uniforms don't hinder bullying and the internet damn near advocates it!

[Blouman Empire]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

Because that's exactly how the end up to.

[Alexlantis]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

Because that's exactly how the end up to.

Actually, they ussually do, on a big scale. Although, not quite as much, but mostly true.

[Blouman Empire]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

Because that's exactly how the end up to.

Actually, they ussually do, on a big scale. Although, not quite as much, but mostly true.

Source?

Though your post reads something along the lines of "They do but they don't, usaully, sometimes maybe not, I don't know"

[JJ Place]

So I was looking through my school planner today. I saw a rule that stated "No individual fashion statements allowed" it also stated that "By requiring students to wear the Academy uniform, it is intended to develop their sense of loyalty to the community of which they are members, and to encourage them to take pride in appearance". I found this strange that they though just a uniform would do all of this.

My views are mixed. I suppose it can reduce the problem of bullying in what people wear. It could give a sense of unity and make people 'feel' the same.

Though the question I would like to ask NSG today is "Is uniform a useful tool in school?".

Example of my school uniform (Girl on left).

Yes, there are old news reals from the 1930's on this... unfortnatly I couldn't understand most of them because they where all in GERMAN.

[Alexlantis]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

Because that's exactly how the end up to.

Actually, they ussually do, on a big scale. Although, not quite as much, but mostly true.

Source?

Though your post reads something along the lines of "They do but they don't, usaully, sometimes maybe not, I don't know"

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, it's been a long day.
My source is life. Most people seem to conform to specifics in the workplace and real life. Culture is a crapshoot, yet everyone likes it merely because "it's cool". Not as mindless, but still alot like sheep. There are some black sheep, but most are your plain old white sheep, some of them dying their wool. it turns out gray, appearing black only to them and the white sheep. The black sheep are the individuals, the artists, musisians, rebels for the good, saints, etc. Those who stand out for who they are.

[NERVUN]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

I'd agree except that I have met waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many individualitic Japanese.

[Maurepas]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

I'd agree except that I have met waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many individualitic Japanese.

Yeah, but was that despite the uniforms?

[Blouman Empire]

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, it's been a long day.
My source is life. Most people seem to conform to specifics in the workplace and real life. Culture is a crapshoot, yet everyone likes it merely because "it's cool". Not as mindless, but still alot like sheep. There are some black sheep, but most are your plain old white sheep, some of them dying their wool. it turns out gray, appearing black only to them and the white sheep. The black sheep are the individuals, the artists, musisians, rebels for the good, saints, etc. Those who stand out for who they are.

Ah so it isn't the uniforms that are doing this at all but rather society.

Take away the uniforms and you will still get this.

[Blouman Empire]

Uniforms are fine if you plan on raising you kid to be a mindless drone.

I'd agree except that I have met waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many individualitic Japanese.

Yeah, but was that despite the uniforms?

Or was it because of the uniforms?

Since they felt they were being forced to conform they have decided to push back harder and be more individualistic than otherwise.

[Alexlantis]

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, it's been a long day.
My source is life. Most people seem to conform to specifics in the workplace and real life. Culture is a crapshoot, yet everyone likes it merely because "it's cool". Not as mindless, but still alot like sheep. There are some black sheep, but most are your plain old white sheep, some of them dying their wool. it turns out gray, appearing black only to them and the white sheep. The black sheep are the individuals, the artists, musisians, rebels for the good, saints, etc. Those who stand out for who they are.

Ah so it isn't the uniforms that are doing this at all but rather society.

Take away the uniforms and you will still get this.

True, true. However, uniforms merely make them conform in a different fashion. Mainstream culture ebbs and flows and, in some rare occasions, is good. Uniforms force people to conform to get them used to it, so that they think they aren't conforming when using mainstream culture. It plays a part.

[Maurepas]

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, it's been a long day.
My source is life. Most people seem to conform to specifics in the workplace and real life. Culture is a crapshoot, yet everyone likes it merely because "it's cool". Not as mindless, but still alot like sheep. There are some black sheep, but most are your plain old white sheep, some of them dying their wool. it turns out gray, appearing black only to them and the white sheep. The black sheep are the individuals, the artists, musisians, rebels for the good, saints, etc. Those who stand out for who they are.

Ah so it isn't the uniforms that are doing this at all but rather society.

Take away the uniforms and you will still get this.

True, true. However, uniforms merely make them conform in a different fashion. Mainstream culture ebbs and flows and, in some rare occasions, is good. Uniforms force people to conform to get them used to it, so that they think they aren't conforming when using mainstream culture. It plays a part.

Well, you were warned about Sooccieettyyy

[Blouman Empire]

Sorry if I haven't been very clear, it's been a long day.
My source is life. Most people seem to conform to specifics in the workplace and real life. Culture is a crapshoot, yet everyone likes it merely because "it's cool". Not as mindless, but still alot like sheep. There are some black sheep, but most are your plain old white sheep, some of them dying their wool. it turns out gray, appearing black only to them and the white sheep. The black sheep are the individuals, the artists, musisians, rebels for the good, saints, etc. Those who stand out for who they are.

Ah so it isn't the uniforms that are doing this at all but rather society.

Take away the uniforms and you will still get this.

True, true. However, uniforms merely make them conform in a different fashion. Mainstream culture ebbs and flows and, in some rare occasions, is good. Uniforms force people to conform to get them used to it, so that they think they aren't conforming when using mainstream culture. It plays a part.

You lost me.