Are leftists becoming a minority?

[Burleson 2]

I wish they were.

[Camelza]

I wish they were.

They are, except if you consider moderate centrists to be leftists as well.

[Burleson 2]

I wish they were.

They are, except if you consider moderate centrists to be leftists as well.

Considering that you can't even say you oppose gay marriage without a drum circle showing up outside of your house, leftism is alive and well.

[Camelza]

They are, except if you consider moderate centrists to be leftists as well.

Considering that you can't even say you oppose gay marriage without a drum circle showing up outside of your house, leftism is alive and well.

What does gay marriage has to do with leftism? It's a liberal policy and not all liberals are left-wingers.

[Burleson 2]

Considering that you can't even say you oppose gay marriage without a drum circle showing up outside of your house, leftism is alive and well.

What does gay marriage has to do with leftism? It's a liberal policy and not all liberals are left-wingers.

Liberal means left wing. Just like conservative means right wing.

[Burleson 2]

Hopefully. A nation whose majority consists of "aspiring artists", SNAP recipients, and identity politics obsessed professional victims rather than policemen, engineers, and farmers isn't going to last long.

[Camelza]

What does gay marriage has to do with leftism? It's a liberal policy and not all liberals are left-wingers.

Liberal means left wing. Just like conservative means right wing.

To an American pherhaps. To me liberal means liberal and conservative means conservative.
Ie; Germany's CDU is a centrist conservative party, while Netherlands' VVD is a center-right liberal party.
How would you describe USA's Libertarians if not by calling them right-wing liberals?

[MERIZoC]

What does gay marriage has to do with leftism? It's a liberal policy and not all liberals are left-wingers.

Liberal means left wing. Just like conservative means right wing.

No. Liberal and conservative both generally tend towards the right wing, but aren't that set in stone, and can have multiple meanings. When we talk pure economics, they fall on the right.

[The Wisconsin Coalition]

I wish they were.

They already are. They're just extremely common on Nationstates.

[The Wisconsin Coalition]

Liberal means left wing. Just like conservative means right wing.

No. Liberal and conservative both generally tend towards the right wing, but aren't that set in stone, and can have multiple meanings. When we talk pure economics, they fall on the right.

When we say "Liberals are left wing and Conservatives are right wing", we mean one is more left than the other. In the United States, they're both right wing groups, but Liberals are far more left than Conservatives.

[Planita]

Hopefully. A nation whose majority consists of "aspiring artists", SNAP recipients, and identity politics obsessed professional victims rather than policemen, engineers, and farmers isn't going to last long.

In your dreams

[MERIZoC]

No. Liberal and conservative both generally tend towards the right wing, but aren't that set in stone, and can have multiple meanings. When we talk pure economics, they fall on the right.

When we say "Liberals are left wing and Conservatives are right wing", we mean one is more left than the other. In the United States, they're both right wing groups, but Liberals are far more left than Conservatives.

I wouldn't say "far more left". Somewhat more left. And besides, that's only in the states. A conservative can be to the left of a liberal. Someone could be a liberal-conservative.

[Kincoboh]

Don't make me laugh. As much as I would like to say yes, we all know it won't be so.

My generation is full of stupid, stuipid people with leftist and exhibitionist view about sex, marriage, and glob knows what else. The scariest part is that they think Occupy Wall Street actually understands economics. To them, a twenty dollar hour Minimum Wage is a good idea. To them, corporations are evil and greedy and should only be allowed to make small profits because the workers DESERVE all the rest of the money without increase in input.

Of course, many of these idealistic fools wake up once they start paying taxes and try to get into business.

I believed in welfare! Tax the rich to feed the poor! -but now that I've got money,I don't feel that way no more!

One night, as I was walking home, from recycling my trash... in an amazing display of ethnic solidarity and cross-cultural cooperation: a white guy, a black guy, a Hispanic guy, and a Chinese guy (who might have been Japanese, Vietnamese, or Korean, I can never tell the difference), ROBBED ME OF MY CASH!

(That song makes fun of the left and right at the same time. It's glorious.)

You don't have a clue, mate.

[Restored Columbia]

For one, the Republican party of America is simply full of the egghead Laissez-Faire Capitalists who are ironically enough promoting the disunity of the country through their "States Rights" campaigns and other pointless anti-tax/anti-public works/anti-government anything bullshit. Not like the Democrats are any big left-wing heroes, they're just sucking money out of their liberal-appeasing corporate sponsors, similar to the Republicans. Nothing will change the two party corporate tyranny in America by conventional means.

As for Europe, it's being plagued by immigrant groups that are working for peanut shells and driving down the price of labor as well as sucking welfare money dry, so of course the native peoples are upset. The non-action of the European left towards the awful attacks made by extremist Islam isn't doing any good of course, and people are just now noticing that the corporate mainstream media is spouting tons of bullshit involving these groups. Industrial capacity is at a new low in some nations and the corrupt parliamentary bureaucracy of the EU definitely does not help things. Tensions are slowly brewing and at this rate, the right-wing reaction will be inevitable. If the left-wing decides to slam the door in the face of their opponents on such action, they can for sure expect an equal Thermadorian reaction. As far as I'm concerned, Europe is stagnating and going in the toilet. Once it does, the left and right extremes will battle it out in the open; the same thing that has been going on since 1789.

[The Wisconsin Coalition]

When we say "Liberals are left wing and Conservatives are right wing", we mean one is more left than the other. In the United States, they're both right wing groups, but Liberals are far more left than Conservatives.

I wouldn't say "far more left". Somewhat more left. And besides, that's only in the states. A conservative can be to the left of a liberal. Someone could be a liberal-conservative.

Of course, conservatives can be more left than liberals and vice versa, but for the general conservative and liberal population, most liberals are more left than conservatives are.

Also, how does "Liberal-Conservatism" exist?

[New Werpland]

What does gay marriage has to do with leftism? It's a liberal policy and not all liberals are left-wingers.

Liberal means left wing. Just like conservative means right wing.

[Shaggai]

Liberal means left wing. Just like conservative means right wing.

No. Liberal and conservative both generally tend towards the right wing, but aren't that set in stone, and can have multiple meanings. When we talk pure economics, they fall on the right.

Left/right are not purely economic. If someone was a full-on reactionary, they would be right-wing regardless of their economic views. The problem is that the far-left tends to differentiate itself from the rest of the left by its economics, whereas the far-right tends to differentiate itself from the rest of the right by its political views. So left-right generally ends up talking about economics if you look only at the left, but ends up referring to traditionalism if you look only at the right.

[Czechostan]

I wouldn't say "far more left". Somewhat more left. And besides, that's only in the states. A conservative can be to the left of a liberal. Someone could be a liberal-conservative.

Of course, conservatives can be more left than liberals and vice versa, but for the general conservative and liberal population, most liberals are more left than conservatives are.

Also, how does "Liberal-Conservatism" exist?

In Europe, it may mean centre-right. Basically, conservatism with more liberal elements.

[Burleson 2]

No. Liberal and conservative both generally tend towards the right wing, but aren't that set in stone, and can have multiple meanings. When we talk pure economics, they fall on the right.

When we say "Liberals are left wing and Conservatives are right wing", we mean one is more left than the other. In the United States, they're both right wing groups, but Liberals are far more left than Conservatives.

Democrats are not right wing. Stop associating us right wingers with those Democratic nut cases. It's just insulting.

[Benuty]

I hope so.

The pendulum of generational politics suggest otherwise.

[MERIZoC]

When we say "Liberals are left wing and Conservatives are right wing", we mean one is more left than the other. In the United States, they're both right wing groups, but Liberals are far more left than Conservatives.

Democrats are not right wing. Stop associating us right wingers with those Democratic nut cases. It's just insulting.

[The Liberated Territories]

Left wing, right wing, all the same to me.

[Keyboard Warriors]

No. Liberal and conservative both generally tend towards the right wing, but aren't that set in stone, and can have multiple meanings. When we talk pure economics, they fall on the right.

When we say "Liberals are left wing and Conservatives are right wing", we mean one is more left than the other. In the United States, they're both right wing groups, but Liberals are far more left than Conservatives.

Politics is relative; being more left than the other makes you a leftist party.

[MERIZoC]

Left/right are not purely economic. If someone was a full-on reactionary, they would be right-wing regardless of their economic views.

A lot of people consider me a reactionary, but by no means identify me as right wing (not that I consider myself to be reactionary, but….)

The problem is that the far-left tends to differentiate itself from the rest of the left by its economics, whereas the far-right tends to differentiate itself from the rest of the right by its political views. So left-right generally ends up talking about economics if you look only at the left, but ends up referring to traditionalism if you look only at the right.

Eh. Multiple variations of how we interpret the spectrum. You look at it one way, I see it another. As long as it's coming from an informed point of view, I'm cool with it.

[Shaggai]

Left/right are not purely economic. If someone was a full-on reactionary, they would be right-wing regardless of their economic views.

A lot of people consider me a reactionary, but by no means identify me as right wing (not that I consider myself to be reactionary, but….)

The problem is that the far-left tends to differentiate itself from the rest of the left by its economics, whereas the far-right tends to differentiate itself from the rest of the right by its political views. So left-right generally ends up talking about economics if you look only at the left, but ends up referring to traditionalism if you look only at the right.

Eh. Multiple variations of how we interpret the spectrum. You look at it one way, I see it another. As long as it's coming from an informed point of view, I'm cool with it.

You're an anarcho-primitivist, according to your sig. I suppose you could describe that as reactionary, but if so it's so reactionary that left and right don't even really apply. Left and right only really apply when you're talking about positions that have been within the Overton Window in the past few hundred years.