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Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:56 pmby Senkaku
No.
We're all coming for your souls, in fact.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:00 amby Arkolon
Diopolis wrote:Arkolon wrote:If you define 'right-wing' as capitalistic, neoliberalism is leaning 'far right'.
I define right wing as "placing more importance on traditional values and institutions than on progressive ones". So while there are certainly capitalist right-wingers, not all right-wingers are capitalists. Distributists, for example, are far-right, but many would actually be offended to be called capitalist.
You do realise that makes me more left-wing than right-wing, and a propertarian libertarian and communist would share a position?
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:14 amby CTALNH
Says the person that doesn't understand that the state,taxes and war are the reasons he lives so comfortably right now and has a personal computer to post here.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:16 amby Seperates
No.
Cthulu swims slowly, but it always swims left.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:46 amby CTALNH
The Liberated Territories wrote:CTALNH wrote:Or extreme left authoritarian.
Maybe shouting about lining the 1% CEOs to a wall and shooting them would grab more attention. Besides feminists, the liberal socialist has lost the outrage factor that was so prevalent in the 70s.
I need a name for my ideology any ideas?
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:50 amby Seperates
CTALNH wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:Maybe shouting about lining the 1% CEOs to a wall and shooting them would grab more attention. Besides feminists, the liberal socialist has lost the outrage factor that was so prevalent in the 70s.
I need a name for my ideology any ideas?
NoNeedForANameists
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:29 amby Kvatchdom
Depends on how you define a leftist. Here a left-winger means someone who believes in economically left-wing policies, and we have some conservative left-wingers aswell as liberal right-wingers.
In that case, no, they're not becoming a minority, they're just too bloody lazy to vote like decent people.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:58 amby Teemant
It's just that leftist have nothing to offer to people.
I hope that future belongs to right wing politics but I'm too worried about far right because I don't like far right/left populists politics one bit.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:01 amby Democratic Chuguria
Communism, yes. Leftism, not so much, no.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:08 amby CTALNH
Seperates wrote:CTALNH wrote:I need a name for my ideology any ideas?
NoNeedForANameists
AUTHORITARIANPROGRESSIVESYOLO
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:24 amby Of the Quendi
Well with regards to the EP election of 2014 it was widely considered a great success for the populist far right. ... Unless you look at the results. Biggest party? Pro-European EPP. Second biggest? Pro-European S&D Third then? Yes a Eurosceptic group. A soft-eurosceptic group. Which didn't even get half the votes S&D got and only barely managed to get ahead of pro-European ALDE. Oh and Farage's group EFFD (which is essentially an alliance between Farage and Beppe Grillo if one can imagine such a match)? It finished dead last. If that is a sign of the rise of the right then I am not worried.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:04 amby Arglorand
Of the Quendi wrote:Well with regards to the EP election of 2014 it was widely considered a great success for the populist far right. ... Unless you look at the results. Biggest party? Pro-European EPP. Second biggest? Pro-European S&D Third then? Yes a Eurosceptic group. A soft-eurosceptic group. Which didn't even get half the votes S&D got and only barely managed to get ahead of pro-European ALDE. Oh and Farage's group EFFD (which is essentially an alliance between Farage and Beppe Grillo if one can imagine such a match)? It finished dead last. If that is a sign of the rise of the right then I am not worried.
Yes, in numbers alone across all of Europe, of course EFDD and other groups like that don't get all that many votes.
Once you look at how they're distributed across countries, however, you can identify several clear worrisome regions. I mean, let's be honest, pretending UKIP and Le Pen and the Danish People's Party don't have a certain amount of popularity is avoiding the actual problem.
Teemant wrote:It's just that leftist have nothing to offer to people.
For some reason
everyone in these wonderful Baltic States of ours seems to be reciting this mantra and so far I have seen literally no
tangible proof of that.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:07 amby The Liberated Territories
CTALNH wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:Maybe shouting about lining the 1% CEOs to a wall and shooting them would grab more attention. Besides feminists, the liberal socialist has lost the outrage factor that was so prevalent in the 70s.
I need a name for my ideology any ideas?
CTALNHism. It's like Stalinism but better!
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:10 amby Hladgos
There aren't any real good sources I can get my hands on, and Gallup seems to have a poll every month, which is a bit much, but I can't pull any good numbers from anything, so I'm going to have to say I don't have a clue.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:35 amby CTALNH
The Liberated Territories wrote:CTALNH wrote:I need a name for my ideology any ideas?
CTALNHism. It's like Stalinism but better!
Oh I can see the headlights now
"Become a CTALNHist no pretextes to communism and actually really fucking progressive like we are gonna separate you from your children to raise them in a commune and your gonna like it or else!"
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:40 amby Draakonite
CTALNH wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:CTALNHism. It's like Stalinism but better!
Oh I can see the headlights now"
"Become a CTALNHist no pretextes to communism and actually really fucking progressive like we are gonna separate you from your children to raise them in a commune and your gonna like it or else!"
In my opinion, brainwashing generation after generation doesn't work, to make sure that everypme will continue following your ideology.
Think about it, for one thousand year peasants have been told God > King > Church > Nobles >>>>>> You. Didn't stop them from rising up, murder aristocrats and burn down churches one day.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:43 amby CTALNH
Draakonite wrote:CTALNH wrote:Oh I can see the headlights now"
"Become a CTALNHist no pretextes to communism and actually really fucking progressive like we are gonna separate you from your children to raise them in a commune and your gonna like it or else!"
In my opinion, brainwashing generation after generation doesn't work, to make sure that everypme will continue following your ideology.
Think about it, for one thousand year peasants have been told God > King > Church > Nobles >>>>>> You. Didn't stop them from rising up, murder aristocrats and burn down churches one day.
Indeed but it does give you enough brainwashed people to
kill anyone that doesn't stay in line.
Hem I mean
murder fuck I meant
exterminate Shit what is the word I am looking for?
Ah yes dissappear.
In all the seriousness don't give me any power ever shits not gonna end well.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:50 amby TURTLESHROOM II
Don't make me laugh. As much as I would like to say yes, we all know it won't be so.
My generation is full of stupid, stuipid people with leftist and exhibitionist view about sex, marriage, and glob knows what else. The scariest part is that they think Occupy Wall Street actually understands economics. To them, a twenty dollar hour Minimum Wage is a good idea. To them, corporations are evil and greedy and should only be allowed to make small profits because the workers DESERVE all the rest of the money without increase in input.
Of course, many of these idealistic fools wake up once they start paying taxes and try to get into business.
Jesse Goldberg wrote:I believed in welfare! Tax the rich to feed the poor! -but now that I've got money,I don't feel that way no more!
(That song makes fun of the left and right at the same time. It's glorious.)
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:17 pmby Quintium
Of the Quendi wrote:Well with regards to the EP election of 2014 it was widely considered a great success for the populist far right. ... Unless you look at the results. Biggest party? Pro-European EPP. Second biggest? Pro-European S&D Third then? Yes a Eurosceptic group. A soft-eurosceptic group. Which didn't even get half the votes S&D got and only barely managed to get ahead of pro-European ALDE. Oh and Farage's group EFFD (which is essentially an alliance between Farage and Beppe Grillo if one can imagine such a match)? It finished dead last. If that is a sign of the rise of the right then I am not worried.
And do you know what an absolute majority of the electorate chose? Come on. It was a sham of an election, and even I wondered whether I should vote. It's a sham parliament with sham elections, and so it gets treated like a sham by everyone except the ideologues who love it.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:36 pmby Arglorand
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:My generation is full of stupid, stuipid people with <...> exhibitionist view about sex, marriage
I stopped paying attention at this point
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:glob
and this only confirmed that i was right
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:45 pmby Esternial
I can imagine it fluctuating, considering people can change who they vote for (and do) depending on various influences, such as news and certain local/global issues. You can have "leftist" views and still vote for a right-wing party, since choices are often fairly limited. I'm a bit of a leftist and I wouldn't vote for the leftist party in Belgium, since they absolutely suck at some very important points.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:49 pmby Ieperithem
Hopefully. A nation whose majority consists of "aspiring artists", SNAP recipients, and identity politics obsessed professional victims rather than policemen, engineers, and farmers isn't going to last long.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:02 pmby Esternial
Ieperithem wrote:Hopefully. A nation whose majority consists of "aspiring artists", SNAP recipients, and identity politics obsessed professional victims rather than policemen, engineers, and farmers isn't going to last long.
Yes, because all leftists are like that.
You've successfully shown an almost cringe-worthy lack of overall knowledge of society and its people in just one sentence.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:13 pmby Camelza
Arkolon wrote:Camelza, I know you don't want to pursue the conversation, but you can't even read your own graph... It only proves my point. Greece spends as much as 6 times more on social spending per head than Cyprus, Portugal, Slovenia, Malta, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and Bulgaria (edit: and Poland! My oh my, you've sure made yourself look bad). That's what I've been trying to tell you all along. Despite the crisis, Greece remains moderately wealthy on a European level. And you have got to find a good reason to these millions of people living in these countries, in these conditions far worse than Greece's (and yet in the European Union, mind you!) as to why Greece deserves some relaxed measures on its debt and borrowing power. You'll need a seriously good lawyer, or perhaps a hypnotist, to convince these people that, despite everything, Eastern and Central Europeans are more undeserving than Greeks.
I've had enough too. You've clearly demonstrated that your heart only lies in your own interests, totally oblivious to the realities of elsewhere in the European Union. You treat Greece as if it was as poor as Nigeria, but when asked about Nigeria you say it shouldn't be compared to it. Greece is not third-world. Greece tops the list of the rich countries out there.
You could at least read what I wrote, that the graph was pre-crisis. Did you even read the other sources that I provided, or even the explanation of how salaries and cost of living relate? You also completely missed the point concerning Nigeria and you could, instead of attacking me personally, argue against my points one by one. Anyway, derailing a thread isn't something I'm fond of.
I'd sincerely like to continue this discussion in a relative thread, until then review my post another time and please refrain from directly using ad hominems.
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Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:14 pmby Arglorand
Ieperithem wrote:Hopefully. A nation whose majority consists of "aspiring artists", SNAP recipients, and identity politics obsessed professional victims rather than policemen, engineers, and farmers isn't going to last long.
That's literally the most ridiculous post I have seen in like three months now.
Congratulations. You deserve a medal.
