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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:26 pm

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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Way to ignore everything I just said?

I didn't. That was my snarky way of saying that you can, in fact, take into account the (for lack of a better term) international scope of politics.

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I don't know what you are talking about. American politics is almost inherently right-wing. Rightist Republicans and center-right Democrats are all that get elected, and parties like the Socialist Alternative or CPUSA are so small that "minuscule" doesn't properly define their smallness. Elizabeth Warren, despite her populist rhetoric, is a centrist at best. There is no American left-wing.


To be fair, the socialists seem to split up into a million different factions and a million different parties. No other political ideology has that problem.


Modern Fascism has this problem, somewhat. Not as bad as socialists do.
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Postby Prezelly » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:49 pm

If anything, the leftists are becoming more a majority in the US.
Last I checked it was about 60% of US identified as Democrat.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:53 pm

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Seaxeland wrote:Unfortunately, not in the US.

Now Europe on the other hand seems to be slightly coming to it's sense now that it's being flooded with immigrants with no respect for native culture or tradition. Suddenly, many of them now understand how many of us Americans feel.

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Postby Paginista » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:56 pm

It always comes and goes. Same with the right wing. Comes and goes.

That and there is quite a lot of political apathy especially amongst the youth


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Postby Romalae » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:17 pm

Prezelly wrote:If anything, the leftists are becoming more a majority in the US.
Last I checked it was about 60% of US identified as Democrat.

60%? You must be joking. It's more like 30%.

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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:21 pm

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Prezelly wrote:If anything, the leftists are becoming more a majority in the US.
Last I checked it was about 60% of US identified as Democrat.

60%? You must be joking. It's more like 30%.

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Some of those Independents would be as left as the Democratic party, or more so.

Interesting trend though. Unless one intends to vote in primaries, there is no reason to register as anything but an independent.
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Postby Romalae » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:27 pm

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Romalae wrote:60%? You must be joking. It's more like 30%.

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Some of those Independents would be as left as the Democratic party, or more so.

Yes, but not enough to bring it up to 60% as the poster stated.
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:41 pm

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Some of those Independents would be as left as the Democratic party, or more so.

Yes, but not enough to bring it up to 60% as the poster stated.


Right.
They should have just gone with the most recent elections. "Nearly half" is the most generous one could be.
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Postby Planeia » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:51 pm

Unfortunately, this is true. The piles of shit that cover the comments section of most videos are just too much to all be trolls; at some point it has to stop being funny when other people are doing the same exact thing. The vast amount of trolls trying to be edgy and offensive, from back when they were trolls, have lead to lunatic fringes believing their shit is acceptable, when they're either too old or too dumb (or both) to realize what a troll is.

I fear that with the conservatives in control (rather than a balance of the spectrum, because the left has some bullshit too, don't deny), we as a species will decline drastically, and then Interstellar will be based on a true story (also, replace the black guy and the woman with old christian heterosexual white men, this is the conservative future, remember).

Ikania wrote:Is it entirely possible that the collective leftists of the Western world are becoming a minority? Or is the right-wing minority just getting louder as they decline in size?


I seriously hope the latter is the case, and to be honest, with the lunatic fringes, it's really believable and possible.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:52 pm

I hope so, if we aren't already.
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Postby Planeia » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:55 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:I hope so, if we aren't already.

"We"? Why would you want this, after all the progress the left has made since Bush?
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Postby Prezelly » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:57 pm

Planeia wrote:Unfortunately, this is true. The piles of shit that cover the comments section of most videos are just too much to all be trolls; at some point it has to stop being funny when other people are doing the same exact thing. The vast amount of trolls trying to be edgy and offensive, from back when they were trolls, have lead to lunatic fringes believing their shit is acceptable, when they're either too old or too dumb (or both) to realize what a troll is.

I fear that with the conservatives in control (rather than a balance of the spectrum, because the left has some bullshit too, don't deny), we as a species will decline drastically, and then Interstellar will be based on a true story (also, replace the black guy and the woman with old christian heterosexual white men, this is the conservative future, remember).

Ikania wrote:Is it entirely possible that the collective leftists of the Western world are becoming a minority? Or is the right-wing minority just getting louder as they decline in size?


I seriously hope the latter is the case, and to be honest, with the lunatic fringes, it's really believable and possible.

Just remember that radicals you see on TV do not represent the entire Conservative party
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Postby Planeia » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:00 pm

Prezelly wrote:
Planeia wrote:Unfortunately, this is true. The piles of shit that cover the comments section of most videos are just too much to all be trolls; at some point it has to stop being funny when other people are doing the same exact thing. The vast amount of trolls trying to be edgy and offensive, from back when they were trolls, have lead to lunatic fringes believing their shit is acceptable, when they're either too old or too dumb (or both) to realize what a troll is.

I fear that with the conservatives in control (rather than a balance of the spectrum, because the left has some bullshit too, don't deny), we as a species will decline drastically, and then Interstellar will be based on a true story (also, replace the black guy and the woman with old christian heterosexual white men, this is the conservative future, remember).



I seriously hope the latter is the case, and to be honest, with the lunatic fringes, it's really believable and possible.

Just remember that radicals you see on TV do not represent the entire Conservative party


Look at the comments of that video and it'll match perfectly to what's being predicted in the very same video.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:16 pm

Planeia wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:I hope so, if we aren't already.

"We"? Why would you want this, after all the progress the left has made since Bush?

I said the left, not the democrats. I'm more of a green than anything :P
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:21 pm

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Planeia wrote:"We"? Why would you want this, after all the progress the left has made since Bush?

I said the left, not the democrats. I'm more of a green than anything :P

But why would you hope that you're in the minority?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:51 pm

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To be fair, the socialists seem to split up into a million different factions and a million different parties. No other political ideology has that problem.


Modern Fascism has this problem, somewhat. Not as bad as socialists do.


The difference I see in fascists is "how much racism is okay" and the growing divide between intellectual white nationalists (American Renaissance) and their more brutalist counterparts, at least mainly in the US. Otherwise they differ very little in actual substance, with maybe left and right factions.

Marxism alone has revisionist and anti-revisionist parts, orthodox and classical, Trotskyism vs M-L, etc.
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Postby Ereria » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:12 pm

I think the right wing is in a sliiiiight rise right now because of people that are old right now and have prejudice (of course not only old people). I think it will nearly disappear once the generations after 2000 has become adults because they are used to immigrants and know themselves that they aren't a whole another species of men that are out to get the peacefull white people living peacefully in their awesome land. ;)
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:18 pm

Define "leftist" and define "minority".

In my experience, most people don't particularly think of themselves as leftist, rightist or centrist. They just sort of try to get by.

Now, as for the aspects of politics lately that you mentioned, xenophobia rising et al, it's more like the number of people disinterested and disappointed in mainstream politics is rising, and naturally extremist movements, particularly on the far right, derive no small amount of political capital from that.
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Postby Morr » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:21 pm

If by "leftist" you mean "labor being a serious issue", then leftists are already a minority. If by "leftist", you mean not hating women and gays and minorities, then I don't think leftists are becoming a minority, no.
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Postby Camelza » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:30 am

It depends on the region, country and situation. But I guess they always were.
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Postby Ramptonia » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:47 am

I wouldn't say it's becoming a minority position, but rather the nature of the left is changing (often faster than the traditional leftist parties can keep up with). No longer is it so much about 'class' and the like, but rather about people's place and voice in society, and our interaction with the world around us.
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Postby Morr » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:58 am

Ramptonia wrote:I wouldn't say it's becoming a minority position, but rather the nature of the left is changing (often faster than the traditional leftist parties can keep up with). No longer is it so much about 'class' and the like, but rather about people's place and voice in society, and our interaction with the world around us.

Yeah, the left today is largely about making sure we have diverse oppressors, rather than fixing the problem of oppression.
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