Are leftists becoming a minority?

[Anollasia]

No.

[New Werpland]

Ikania, you mention the rise of the populist right in Europe. I think it's important to realize that many left wingers support such parties, like the Front National or UKIP. Many working class people in Europe are disenfranchised with the EU, and when given the choice between the centre right and centre left bureaucrats, they'd rather choose the populist right. It's a bit unfortunate, since parties like the Front National and Freedom Party are a bit insane. However, for many left wing people, they are the only parties responding to legitimate grievances.

Like Olerand

[Romalae]

Neocons are becoming quite popular even within liberals, unfortunately.

Can you give an example of this? Are you talking about, like, Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

[Seaxeland]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

Now Europe on the other hand seems to be slightly coming to it's sense now that it's being flooded with immigrants with no respect for native culture or tradition. Suddenly, many of them now understand how many of us Americans feel.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Ikania, you mention the rise of the populist right in Europe. I think it's important to realize that many left wingers support such parties, like the Front National or UKIP. Many working class people in Europe are disenfranchised with the EU, and when given the choice between the centre right and centre left bureaucrats, they'd rather choose the populist right. It's a bit unfortunate, since parties like the Front National and Freedom Party are a bit insane. However, for many left wing people, they are the only parties responding to legitimate grievances.

Sources?

There are no concrete sources on this topic. However, given election trends in various European nations, we can see that as popularity for left wing parties fall, support for the so called "far-right" rises. UKIP has released numbers saying that only 40% or so of their members are former Tories, and many on the left unhappy with immigration policies and the EU turn to the populist right. Often times, the populist right offers an end to austerity, anti-EU policies, and rhetoric against Islam. While populist right parties in Europe certainly attract former members of the centre right, they can also attract the urban working class, poorer people living in suburbs of cities like Marseille and Rotterdam, and so on.

Now, I'm not saying that I personally support many populist parties in Europe. Some are half-decent, others are completely batshit. But, when the people are fed up with the EU and the failed experiment of multiculturalism, who are they going to turn to?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

Now Europe on the other hand seems to be slightly coming to it's sense now that it's being flooded with immigrants with no respect for native culture or tradition. Suddenly, many of them now understand how many of us Americans feel.

While many Muslim immigrants in the EU certainly make no effort to integrate, I don't think the same can be said for Mexicans entering the USA. Most Latino immigrants are Catholic, hard-working, and interested in Western movies and pop culture, making them easy to integrate. I see it first hand, I live in Arizona. The only challenge is the language barrier.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Ikania, you mention the rise of the populist right in Europe. I think it's important to realize that many left wingers support such parties, like the Front National or UKIP. Many working class people in Europe are disenfranchised with the EU, and when given the choice between the centre right and centre left bureaucrats, they'd rather choose the populist right. It's a bit unfortunate, since parties like the Front National and Freedom Party are a bit insane. However, for many left wing people, they are the only parties responding to legitimate grievances.

Like Olerand

Exactly. I miss Olerand, he was a witty, sarcastic Frenchman. We used to butt heads, but since bis departure, I've become much more fond of him.

[MERIZoC]

Like Olerand

Exactly. I miss Olerand, he was a witty, sarcastic Frenchman. We used to butt heads, but since bis departure, I've become much more fond of him.

Oh yeah. What happened to him? He was active just a couple of months ago.

[Geilinor]

They always were, because of centrists and others.

[Tigeria]

2016, the biggest year in American history. I say biggest because it will determine if the left is becoming a minority or not, if it is, god help us all, if it isn't, god help us all.

[New Werpland]

Exactly. I miss Olerand, he was a witty, sarcastic Frenchman. We used to butt heads, but since bis departure, I've become much more fond of him.

Oh yeah. What happened to him? He was active just a couple of months ago.

He couldn't pay the taxes so he pawned his computer.

[Romalae]

2016, the biggest year in American history. I say biggest because it will determine if the left is becoming a minority or not, if it is, god help us all, if it isn't, god help us all.

Why do you say that? Is it because of the results of the last midterm? The one that had literally the worst voter turnout since WWII (36%) and consisted of mainly disgruntled Republican voters?

[New Werpland]

2016, the biggest year in American history. I say biggest because it will determine if the left is becoming a minority or not, if it is, god help us all, if it isn't, god help us all.

Leftists, you mean centrists who don't believe in privatizing social security.

[Mushet]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

Now Europe on the other hand seems to be slightly coming to it's sense now that it's being flooded with immigrants with no respect for native culture or tradition. Suddenly, many of them now understand how many of us Americans feel.

Yousa re talk about a biiig empire built on no just immigrat but outright invad indigenous nations,occupy them and no showin much respect toda native cultures and traditions,or even recognition.And then hav da audacity to complain about waves of much less belligerent immigrants da happen to look maxibig likein da people upon who s backs america was built on. Isa funny.

[MERIZoC]

2016, the biggest year in American history. I say biggest because it will determine if the left is becoming a minority or not, if it is, god help us all, if it isn't, god help us all.

Bernie Sanders' seat isn't even up for election.

[Kincoboh]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

Now Europe on the other hand seems to be slightly coming to it's sense now that it's being flooded with immigrants with no respect for native culture or tradition. Suddenly, many of them now understand how many of us Americans feel.

Yes, fascism is a much better idea.

[The Liberated Territories]

Oh wow, lmao. I wonder what gene causes Europeans to be smarter?

It's more of just evidenced by the fact that the Republicans wouldn't get more than 10% over here.

I dunno, I've met a lot of UKIPies who have a thing for some Republicans.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Fuck no. The hard right is just getting louder. And the swing voters are hopping the fence again in the wake of the backlash against the Obama administration. Don't worry. After 8 years of a republican president the perceived number of libbies will skyrocket again.

[The New Sea Territory]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

I don't know what you are talking about. American politics is almost inherently right-wing. Rightist Republicans and center-right Democrats are all that get elected, and parties like the Socialist Alternative or CPUSA are so small that "minuscule" doesn't properly define their smallness. Elizabeth Warren, despite her populist rhetoric, is a centrist at best. There is no American left-wing.

[The Liberated Territories]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

I don't know what you are talking about. American politics is almost inherently right-wing. Rightist Republicans and center-right Democrats are all that get elected, and parties like the Socialist Alternative or CPUSA are so small that "minuscule" doesn't properly define their smallness. Elizabeth Warren, despite her populist rhetoric, is a centrist at best. There is no American left-wing.

To be fair, the socialists seem to split up into a million different factions and a million different parties. No other political ideology has that problem.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Unfortunately, not in the US.

I don't know what you are talking about. American politics is almost inherently right-wing. Rightist Republicans and center-right Democrats are all that get elected, and parties like the Socialist Alternative or CPUSA are so small that "minuscule" doesn't properly define their smallness. Elizabeth Warren, despite her populist rhetoric, is a centrist at best. There is no American left-wing.

You're looking at it wrong. When talking about left-right in American politics you can't take into account the political climate of the rest of the first world.

[Shaggai]

Of course not. The definition of "left" and "right" is just shifting. The range of acceptable views is shifting left, as it generally has for the past few hundred years. (Notable exception: Marxism.)

[MERIZoC]

I don't know what you are talking about. American politics is almost inherently right-wing. Rightist Republicans and center-right Democrats are all that get elected, and parties like the Socialist Alternative or CPUSA are so small that "minuscule" doesn't properly define their smallness. Elizabeth Warren, despite her populist rhetoric, is a centrist at best. There is no American left-wing.

You're looking at it wrong. When talking about left-right in American politics you can't take into account the political climate of the rest of the first world.

Can you take into account facts? Neoliberalism is by all definitions right-wing, and it's an ideology that both parties push.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You're looking at it wrong. When talking about left-right in American politics you can't take into account the political climate of the rest of the first world.

Can you take into account facts? Neoliberalism is by all definitions right-wing, and it's an ideology that both parties push.

Way to ignore everything I just said?

[MERIZoC]

Can you take into account facts? Neoliberalism is by all definitions right-wing, and it's an ideology that both parties push.

Way to ignore everything I just said?

I didn't. That was my snarky way of saying that you can, in fact, take into account the (for lack of a better term) international scope of politics.