Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Fortitudinem]

Yes. They should. I see no reason why not. Gives me more people to ignore.
(I'm that one strange guy that thinks it's attractive when less skin is shown.)

[Dakini]

pft, I would never shove my nipples in someone's face unless they wanted me to (and even then, I wouldn't do it in public, unless this someone is a hypothetical baby of mine). "Because society" isn't a fucking argument either.

You're going to piss off a lot of people. If you're fine with that, I might as well accept that and leave this thread, because that's absolutely fucking respectable.

Dude, I'm an attractive woman. I piss people off when they tell me to smile while I'm minding my own business and refuse to do so at their fucking whim. I piss people off when I eat outside and tell the strangers who offer me unsolicited dietary advice to fuck off.

I'm used to pissing off assholes who think they know what I should do better than I do.

[Stormwind-City]

Yes. They should. I see no reason why not. Gives me more people to ignore.
(I'm that one strange guy that thinks it's attractive when less skin is shown.)

Gimp suit?

[United RussoAsia]

I would prefer both men and women be required to wear tops.

[Esternial]

A lot of Europe has handled healthcare fine for quite awhile and look at other countries in the world.

One example =/= the lot

A majority of the US seems to be handling it just fine. Canada seems to be handling it just fine.France, Poland, Denmark, and Sweden seem to be handling it just fine. So, you see, it isn't just one example.

Haven't seen a lot of examples of that, to be completely honest. I still think a great deal of society is incapable of dealing with it to the extent that it should be, but then again I haven't conducted any surveys or studied the subject enough to be certain of that, so that's all conjecture. All I know is that it's not a simple issue. Men and women differ biologically/neurologically, and to have both become equal in a society that has been so unequal for so long it requires - in my opinion - gradual societal reformation on a global scale and consecutive shifts in mentality in the next few generations.

[Quintium]

...it was clear everyone in the specific posts meant beaches; in which men can show off their secondary sexual characteristics without being judged while women can't.

Again, that's nature and not nurture. Nature has told men that they need to prove themselves by being richer and stronger and more popular than the other men, and women that they need to select carefully whose children they will have, and ultimately this process benefits the species. Women have no reason to show themselves, because that would mean that they'd have to prove themselves. Men need to prove themselves (which is why you see men bodybuilding all the time and trying to get buff and strong, which is what almost all women like) so that women will select them.

[Asterdan]

Yes.

Of course, men would stare but most are adult enough to do it from a distance and get it out of their system before talking to the lady. This would only happen for a while, though, until the sexualization of boobies has died down.

[Quintium]

This would only happen for a while, though, until the sexualization of boobies has died down.

The year is now four months old, and I'm already going to hand you the award for most optimistic person of the year.

[Asterdan]

This would only happen for a while, though, until the sexualization of boobies has died down.

The year is now four months old, and I'm already going to hand you the award for most optimistic person of the year.

[Kelinfort]

...it was clear everyone in the specific posts meant beaches; in which men can show off their secondary sexual characteristics without being judged while women can't.

Again, that's nature and not nurture. Nature has told men that they need to prove themselves by being richer and stronger and more popular than the other men, and women that they need to select carefully whose children they will have, and ultimately this process benefits the species. Women have no reason to show themselves, because that would mean that they'd have to prove themselves. Men need to prove themselves (which is why you see men bodybuilding all the time and trying to get buff and strong, which is what almost all women like) so that women will select them.

I refuse to believe tribalism and instinct matter in a society with seven billion individuals. Just as there is no more instinctive reason to be monogamous, there is no need to abide by values of the, "glorious past."

[Liriena]

Definitely.

[Asterdan]

Again, that's nature and not nurture. Nature has told men that they need to prove themselves by being richer and stronger and more popular than the other men, and women that they need to select carefully whose children they will have, and ultimately this process benefits the species. Women have no reason to show themselves, because that would mean that they'd have to prove themselves. Men need to prove themselves (which is why you see men bodybuilding all the time and trying to get buff and strong, which is what almost all women like) so that women will select them.

I refuse to believe tribalism and instinct matter in a society with seven billion individuals. Just as there is no more instinctive reason to be monogamous, there is no need to abide by values of the, "glorious past."

Well, it tends to lead to a more stable environment for raising the offspring... Makes sense in humans which have such a long developmental stage...

[Novorobo]

Even though I suppoty this I feel like a ton of people men and women will get in trouble for looking at a woman's breasts.

Again, it's been legal here in NYS for approximately 20 years with no such issues.

How do you know there's no such issues?

That said, states would vary in how much reason it has for being an issue in the first place.

Biology isn't really gender-neutral though.

In this case, it is. Both men and women have tits. The only difference is that men tits are underdeveloped. In that respect, if you are going to segregate based on sex, then it should be the men who have to cover up. After all, we have qualms about showing other underdeveloped body parts.

What do you mean?

[Kelinfort]

I refuse to believe tribalism and instinct matter in a society with seven billion individuals. Just as there is no more instinctive reason to be monogamous, there is no need to abide by values of the, "glorious past."

Well, it tends to lead to a more stable environment for raising the offspring... Makes sense in humans which have such a long developmental stage...

Perhaps. But I'm convinced this behavior developed because of the genetic bottleneck around 70,000 BCE. Any one individual could've dominated the gene pool and made mankind more susceptible to disease.

[Free Sahara]

No. It's degenerate behaviour. What if people waved their dicks or showed off their vaginas in public? More of the human body should be covered, for example people shouldn't wear skirts or shorts in public -- in private or when close to their own families and homes and on private property they should be allowed to.

Sunbathing nude is ok, depending on the type of the beach. Breastfeeding in public is not ok.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

No. It's degenerate behaviour. What if people waved their dicks or showed off their vaginas in public? More of the human body should be covered, for example people shouldn't wear skirts or shorts in public -- in private or when close to their own families and homes and on private property they should be allowed to.

Sunbathing nude is ok, depending on the type of the beach. Breastfeeding in public is not ok.

*shakes head at the bolded*

Really? Yes, because my goodness, there is nothing more perverted and indecent than a woman providing life-giving milk to their child in public, which most do using a nursing cloth to COVER UP.

[The Archregimancy]

I'm absolutely stunned - stunned I tell you - that 70% of individuals on a forum dominated by heterosexual males between the ages of 15 and 25 would like women to be able to go topless in public.

Tonight I'll raise a glass in honour of their no-doubt totally selfless and utterly unselfish dedication to the cause of women's equality and the principle of gender neutrality within their local legal systems.

Being gay makes me excluded, no?

On the contrary - it means I trust your judgement here a lot more than I trust the judgement of most of the other participants in the thread.

[Quintium]

My goodness, there is nothing more perverted and indecent than a woman providing life-giving milk to their child in public, which most do using a nursing cloth to COVER UP.

They should do that in a toilet or something. I don't want to see that happen, especially not when I have no way to get out (like in public transport) or when I'm eating (like in a public restaurant).

I refuse to believe tribalism and instinct matter in a society with seven billion individuals.

And I refuse to believe in one world society because I see tribalism everywhere.

[Fortitudinem]

Yes. They should. I see no reason why not. Gives me more people to ignore.
(I'm that one strange guy that thinks it's attractive when less skin is shown.)

Gimp suit?

No idea what that is.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

My goodness, there is nothing more perverted and indecent than a woman providing life-giving milk to their child in public, which most do using a nursing cloth to COVER UP.

They should do that in a toilet or something. I don't want to see that happen, especially not when I have no way to get out (like in public transport) or when I'm eating (like in a public restaurant).

Your not wanting to see that happen does not trump a woman's need to feed her child, especially if she just happens to need to do so then and there with no other place to go, and, if she's covered up with a nursing cloth anyway, then there should be zero issue. If there is, that's your problem, not hers.

[Stormwind-City]

My goodness, there is nothing more perverted and indecent than a woman providing life-giving milk to their child in public, which most do using a nursing cloth to COVER UP.

They should do that in a toilet or something. I don't want to see that happen, especially not when I have no way to get out (like in public transport) or when I'm eating (like in a public restaurant).

I refuse to believe tribalism and instinct matter in a society with seven billion individuals.

And I refuse to believe in one world society because I see tribalism everywhere.

Yes, make women feed their children in an area used for waste elimination to appease your irrational prudishness.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

My goodness, there is nothing more perverted and indecent than a woman providing life-giving milk to their child in public, which most do using a nursing cloth to COVER UP.

They should do that in a toilet or something. I don't want to see that happen, especially not when I have no way to get out (like in public transport) or when I'm eating (like in a public restaurant).

I refuse to believe tribalism and instinct matter in a society with seven billion individuals.

And I refuse to believe in one world society because I see tribalism everywhere.

Agreed on first point, there are a fair amount of nursing tables around. And why would you bring your baby out without some formula you weirdos. Go breastfeed them at home, it's not like the formula is poisoned (*cough* china *cough*)

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

They should do that in a toilet or something. I don't want to see that happen, especially not when I have no way to get out (like in public transport) or when I'm eating (like in a public restaurant).



And I refuse to believe in one world society because I see tribalism everywhere.

Yes, make women feed their children in an area used for waste elimination to appease your irrational prudishness.

Oh no! Our babies are going to starve if we don't pull down our shirt and let them drink our bodily fluids from a hole on our chests! It's almost like there is no such things as formula or baby food!

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Yes, make women feed their children in an area used for waste elimination to appease your irrational prudishness.

Oh no! Our babies are going to starve if we don't pull down our shirt and let them drink our bodily fluids from a hole on our chests! It's almost like there is no such things as formula or baby food!

Breast milk is superior to formula or baby food for infants, and, should the mother not have any bottled, they have every right to feed their child. Get over it.

[Asterdan]

I'm absolutely stunned - stunned I tell you - that 70% of individuals on a forum dominated by heterosexual males between the ages of 15 and 25 would like women to be able to go topless in public.

Tonight I'll raise a glass in honour of their no-doubt totally selfless and utterly unselfish dedication to the cause of women's equality and the principle of gender neutrality within their local legal systems.