Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Esternial]

They should be yes, though it would take time for society to adapt to topless women.

Women are allowed to wear bikinis anyway, so I hope people will get used to it soon enough.

[Skappola]

It's already hard enough to concentrate while working, and now this?

In all seriousness, I support this.

[Esternial]

It's already hard enough to concentrate while working. :p

Depends whether you work at a place where being topless is appropriate in the first place.

[Quintium]

No. There is a socio-cultural difference between men being topless and women being topless. It is not in the best interests of society to legally allow women to be topless in public.

Yes, it is. Equal treatment under the law is in the best interest of society.

Why?

[Benian Republic]

Even though I suppoty this I feel like a ton of people men and women will get in trouble for looking at a woman's breasts.

[Frenline Delpha]

Yes, it is. Equal treatment under the law is in the best interest of society.

Why?

Because the moral position of equality should be in everyone's interest. Such as the 5th amendments. It guarentees that No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger. This applies to everyone. It covers everyone in society. It guarentees everyone is equal. Why shouldn't every other part of society be equal.

[Dyakovo]

Even though I suppoty this I feel like a ton of people men and women will get in trouble for looking at a woman's breasts.

Again, it's been legal here in NYS for approximately 20 years with no such issues.

[Socialist Tera]

Even though I suppoty this I feel like a ton of people men and women will get in trouble for looking at a woman's breasts.

When I used to be a really big pervert, I used to wear sunglasses.

[The Archregimancy]

<sarcasm mode off>

And your support is just a little more convincingly selfless to me than the support of some of the people posting in this thread. As you rightly note, you're in little danger of confusing the issues of support for gender neutrality in laws regarding toplessness with a personal desire to see women's breasts.

A quick skim through the thread suggests that not all the heterosexual males posting in this thread are able to quite so fully separate the two to quite the same degree that NSG's gay male component can.

That's not really indicative of the posters' beliefs, many posters are simply immature-like and like to goof off when a thread regarding breasts, penises etc, appears.

You clearly have much more confidence in NSG's base demographic than I do.

[Sun Wukong]

Yes, because a well-built male chest does nothing for heterosexual women.

Well, it's a little hard to definitively compare the effects on each sex, as most people haven't experienced being both. But at the very least, the effects on males include visible effects like embarrassing erections, whereas women are at worst distracted.

We should put women in burqas then. Wouldn't want those sultry eyes giving you embarrassing erections.

[Quintium]

Because the moral position of equality should be in everyone's interest.

"It should be because it should be". That's not a really good explanation.

Such as the 5th amendments. It guarentees that No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger. This applies to everyone. It covers everyone in society. It guarentees everyone is equal. Why shouldn't every other part of society be equal.

Because people are not equal. What arouses men in women is not what arouses women in men. What men think and what women think is often different.
Nature itself never intended for people to be equal, and a society that tries to tries to make equal what is not equal will grow crooked and unnatural and collapse.

[Paledonn]

Because the moral position of equality should be in everyone's interest.

"It should be because it should be". That's not a really good explanation.

Such as the 5th amendments. It guarentees that No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger. This applies to everyone. It covers everyone in society. It guarentees everyone is equal. Why shouldn't every other part of society be equal.

Because people are not equal. What arouses men in women is not what arouses women in men. What men think and what women think is often different.
Nature itself never intended for people to be equal, and a society that tries to tries to make equal what is not equal will grow crooked and unnatural and collapse.

Yes because topless women are going to destroy society and maybe even the world.

[Sun Wukong]

Because the moral position of equality should be in everyone's interest.

"It should be because it should be". That's not a really good explanation.

Such as the 5th amendments. It guarentees that No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger. This applies to everyone. It covers everyone in society. It guarentees everyone is equal. Why shouldn't every other part of society be equal.

Because people are not equal. What arouses men in women is not what arouses women in men. What men think and what women think is often different.
Nature itself never intended for people to be equal, and a society that tries to tries to make equal what is not equal will grow crooked and unnatural and collapse.

This particular appeal to nature only works if you haven't studied nature.

Because if you had, one of the first things you'd notice about human behavior is that they are shockingly egalitarian. They, for instance, adhere to universal mating rights. Not just dominant individuals, but virtually everyone is permitted to mate. Even in the most despotic societies. Very few mammals do that.

It seems to have worked out for humanity so far.



Now since we're being all academic, it should be noted that there are lots of cultures in which female toplessness is normal. Somehow they manage not to implode.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I'm absolutely stunned - stunned I tell you - that 70% of individuals on a forum dominated by heterosexual males between the ages of 15 and 25 would like women to be able to go topless in public.

Tonight I'll raise a glass in honour of their no-doubt totally selfless and utterly unselfish dedication to the cause of women's equality and the principle of gender neutrality within their local legal systems.

Being gay makes me excluded, no?

[Teemant]

Absolutely not.

Who are even supporting this? 13 year old boys?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Absolutely not.

Who are supporting this? 13 year old boys?

70% of individuals on a forum dominated by heterosexual males between the ages of 15 and 25 would like women to be able to go topless in public

That should answer your question

[Dyakovo]

"It should be because it should be". That's not a really good explanation.



Because people are not equal. What arouses men in women is not what arouses women in men. What men think and what women think is often different.
Nature itself never intended for people to be equal, and a society that tries to tries to make equal what is not equal will grow crooked and unnatural and collapse.

Yes because topless women are going to destroy society and maybe even the world.

Aye... You can tell by the fact that NYS ceased to exist 20 years ago.
*nods*

[Dyakovo]

Absolutely not.

Who are even supporting this? 13 year old boys?

People interested in seeing equal treatment under the law. And horny teen boys.

[Herrebrugh]

Absolutely not.

Who are even supporting this? 13 year old boys?

19 year old gay male here.

[Esternial]

I'm absolutely stunned - stunned I tell you - that 70% of individuals on a forum dominated by heterosexual males between the ages of 15 and 25 would like women to be able to go topless in public.

Tonight I'll raise a glass in honour of their no-doubt totally selfless and utterly unselfish dedication to the cause of women's equality and the principle of gender neutrality within their local legal systems.

Eh. I'm a gay male who doesn't particularly like the sight of female breasts, and I'm supportive...

Well, in any case, it should either be both males and females being restricted, or both males and females being unrestricted for me.

I concur. In an ideal society, I'd completely support topless for all, but I doubt our society can handle it.

As it stands, I have reservations on it.

[Dyakovo]

Eh. I'm a gay male who doesn't particularly like the sight of female breasts, and I'm supportive...

Well, in any case, it should either be both males and females being restricted, or both males and females being unrestricted for me.

I concur. In an ideal society, I'd completely support topless for all, but I doubt our society can handle it.

NYS has handled it fine for around 20 years...

[Quintium]

Because if you had, one of the first things you'd notice about human behavior is that they are shockingly egalitarian. They, for instance, adhere to universal mating rights. Not just dominant individuals, but virtually everyone is permitted to mate. Even in the most despotic societies. Very few mammals do that.

What does that have to do with what I was saying?

Now since we're being all academic, it should be noted that there are lots of cultures in which female toplessness is normal. Somehow they manage not to implode.

Actually, if you are talking about relatively primitive tribal societies (the one we all liked to look at in National Geographic magazines when there was no internet porn yet), you will find that up to a third of men die because of homicide, and there is extremely stiff (no pun intended) physical, violent competition over men's rank in the tribe, with the strongest men generally allowed the first pick of women.

[Esternial]

I concur. In an ideal society, I'd completely support topless for all, but I doubt our society can handle it.

NYS has handled it fine for around 20 years...

A lot of Europe has handled healthcare fine for quite awhile and look at other countries in the world.

One example =/= the lot

[Camelza]

That's not really indicative of the posters' beliefs, many posters are simply immature-like and like to goof off when a thread regarding breasts, penises etc, appears.

You clearly have much more confidence in NSG's base demographic than I do.

I do tend to see the bottle as half-full, even if in some cases it isn't, yes.

So are abs, hairy chests and facial hair, should men cover them as well? Pffft.

If you come from a place where men regularly walk around topless with their hairy chests hanging out, then I'm going to have to call you a redneck.

And why is it bad to be a poor Appalachian?
Not to mention that it was clear everyone in the specific posts meant beaches; in which men can show off their secondary sexual characteristics without being judged while women can't. Though I do support that people should be able to walk around topless in public in all instances, regardless if I consider it tasteless in my personal opinion.

[Dyakovo]

NYS has handled it fine for around 20 years...

A lot of Europe has handled healthcare fine for quite awhile and look at other countries in the world.

One example =/= the lot

A majority of the US seems to be handling it just fine. Canada seems to be handling it just fine.France, Poland, Denmark, and Sweden seem to be handling it just fine. So, you see, it isn't just one example.