Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Torisakia]

That's because you'r mom is a slut too.

Well she's almost 54, going through menopause, and has been divorced from my dad for almost 7 years. You might be right.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

But I thought mine were attractive?!

Amusingly, I think everybody should be required to take a life drawing class in, like, high school. Break 'em in early enough and "OMG NEKKID!" loses all impact remarkably fast. I certainly recall freaking out in junior college about "OMG, there's gonna be nude models for this class ew!" Three weeks and 3 different models of varying physical attractiveness/lack thereof? "Meh."

The whole "But boobies make men act badly/get into wrecks/hurt themselves/etc" argument really only has any weight in that there is this whole huge taboo about the naked body. If nudity or even just topless is allowed, that will go away. As it stands, it's the forbidden fruit; take that mystique away and it will lose its effect.

I don't know about that. I've seen plenty of boobs and they still have a mystique! lol

I think it's ingrained. It may become "not as big a deal," but female breasts will always have a certain sway over the male gender; I think it's ingrained in many of us, honestly (no not at all, but the majority of heterosexual men, I believe so).

[Sun Wukong]

Well, you were saying that all women who dress provocatively were, de facto, skanks. When, in reality, some are geeks, or dating geeks. This really wasn't that hard of a conversation to keep up with, it hasn't even been a full page since it started.

Ultimately this is of little consequence, however. A woman's decency is not a function of her modesty. Sluts, and I use this term in an entirely sex-positive manner, are often lovely people.

You think you degrade them with your rhetoric, but you only degrade yourself.

are you saying being a cosplayer or dating a geek automatically makes you not a skank. It sounds really more like an excuse to whore-out, just like Halloween. Sluts are often lovely people? Who's degrading who?

You are attempting to degrade a very large number of women. For basically no reason other then you seem to resent your own boner. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a jolly thing, and not shameful.

[Fanosolia]

But I thought mine were attractive?!

Amusingly, I think everybody should be required to take a life drawing class in, like, high school. Break 'em in early enough and "OMG NEKKID!" loses all impact remarkably fast. I certainly recall freaking out in junior college about "OMG, there's gonna be nude models for this class ew!" Three weeks and 3 different models of varying physical attractiveness/lack thereof? "Meh."

The whole "But boobies make men act badly/get into wrecks/hurt themselves/etc" argument really only has any weight in that there is this whole huge taboo about the naked body. If nudity or even just topless is allowed, that will go away. As it stands, it's the forbidden fruit; take that mystique away and it will lose its effect.

Hey you and me has the same idea *high five* to be fair for me it was wasn't like "ew" more... Uncomfortable but than it became routine. Though my parents still acted as though, perhaps as a joke, like was "liking that class".

[Arkhane]

are you saying being a cosplayer or dating a geek automatically makes you not a skank. It sounds really more like an excuse to whore-out, just like Halloween. Sluts are often lovely people? Who's degrading who?

You are attempting to degrade a very large number of women. For basically no reason other then you seem to resent your own boner. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a jolly thing, and not shameful.

You however, are deifying them, worshipping them as goddesses of virtue. For basically no reason other than to see their boobies. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a romantic, exclusive thing, not slutty.

[Torisakia]

You are attempting to degrade a very large number of women. For basically no reason other then you seem to resent your own boner. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a jolly thing, and not shameful.

You however, are deifying them, worshipping them as goddesses of virtue. For basically no reason other than to see their boobies. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a romantic, exclusive thing, not slutty.

Sex "romance"? kek.

Of course, romance has something to do with it. But that's not always the case. Whether you have sex for passion or just for shits and giggles, it's really all the same.

[Icrum]

So, if this wins woman can be topless whenever?

The Mormon side of me says "Oppose this!" but the rest of me says "Support!"
I might support this now.

[Icrum]

So, if this wins woman can be topless whenever?

The Mormon side of me says "Oppose this!" but the rest of me says "Support!"
I might support this now.

For freedom and equality. Not for perverse thoughts.

[Threlizdun]

You are attempting to degrade a very large number of women. For basically no reason other then you seem to resent your own boner. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a jolly thing, and not shameful.

You however, are deifying them, worshipping them as goddesses of virtue. For basically no reason other than to see their boobies. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a romantic, exclusive thing, not slutty.

Sex can be romantic, but it is hardly just romantic. Sex should be whatever those involved want it to be, no more and no less. Shaming people for enjoying sex is bullshit. Thinking people who dress in certain manners must be asking for sex is also bullshit.

[Arkhane]

You however, are deifying them, worshipping them as goddesses of virtue. For basically no reason other than to see their boobies. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a romantic, exclusive thing, not slutty.

Sex "romance"? kek.

Of course, romance has something to do with it. But that's not always the case. Whether you have sex for passion or just for shits and giggles, it's really all the same.

I would love to point out on how wrong that is, but we are getting off topic. Tell you what, I have no right to tell people how to dress, however, how I view them is entirely up to my own perspective and opinion. If they want to show their titties, I would be okay with that. I'm sure they won't care about what I think anyway.

[Torisakia]

So, if this wins woman can be topless whenever?

The Mormon side of me says "Oppose this!" but the rest of me says "Support!"
I might support this now.

I wouldn't say whenever. I'd be pretty much for only being topless in certain places (beaches and the like), both men and women.

[Icrum]

So, if this wins woman can be topless whenever?

The Mormon side of me says "Oppose this!" but the rest of me says "Support!"
I might support this now.

I wouldn't say whenever. I'd be pretty much for only being topless in certain places (beaches and the like), both men and women.

Oh. I still shall support this.
For gender and equality, not perverse thoughts. Mostly.

[Novorobo]

Not in terms of their effects on the opposite sex.

Yes, because a well-built male chest does nothing for heterosexual women.

Well, it's a little hard to definitively compare the effects on each sex, as most people haven't experienced being both. But at the very least, the effects on males include visible effects like embarrassing erections, whereas women are at worst distracted.

Yes, because a well-built male chest does nothing for heterosexual women.

Women are sexually submissive and reactive, didn't you know? They don't have sexual thoughts. *nods*

Pure strawman. You only discredit your perspective through such faulty reasoning.

[Scomagia]

Women are sexually submissive and reactive, didn't you know? They don't have sexual thoughts. *nods*

I know this is hardcore sarcasm, but submissive=not having sexual thought to some?

Actually, that's covered by the "reactive" part of my post.

[Fanosolia]

I know this is hardcore sarcasm, but submissive=not having sexual thought to some?

Actually, that's covered by the "reactive" part of my post.

Ah, in see now. Okay that makes more sense.

And yeah I'm going try to bounce from this thread as well. It was an interesting read while it lasted.

[Scomagia]

You are attempting to degrade a very large number of women. For basically no reason other then you seem to resent your own boner. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a jolly thing, and not shameful.

You however, are deifying them, worshipping them as goddesses of virtue. For basically no reason other than to see their boobies. I thought that was well established.

Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that sex is a romantic, exclusive thing, not slutty.

No, we're respecting their choice to act as free sexual agents.

Romance isn't required for sex. Exclusivity is great. Non-exclusivity is great, too, if everyone involved agrees.

[Athiopia (Ancient)]

No. There is a socio-cultural difference between men being topless and women being topless. It is not in the best interests of society to legally allow women to be topless in public.

[Fartsniffage]

No. There is a socio-cultural difference between men being topless and women being topless. It is not in the best interests of society to legally allow women to be topless in public.

Why? What damage is it going to do to society?

[Vashta Nerada]

It's not that women can't go topless, it's just that in some societies, we've sexualized breasts to the point where revealing them is considered crass. Many African cultures considered breasts to be perfectly fine without having to cover them up, but instead regard the thighs as symbols of sexual desire. So in general, I believe that women should be able to go topless as with men. But given that most Westies consider the breasts an object of sexuality, I doubt it will be considered anything but a sexual fantasy in the minds of some.

[Athiopia (Ancient)]

No. There is a socio-cultural difference between men being topless and women being topless. It is not in the best interests of society to legally allow women to be topless in public.

Why? What damage is it going to do to society?

If it goes against society's socio-cultural values, then it is not in the best interest of the government go legalize it. Government exists to maintain social order, to uphold the values of it's people, and to act in accordance with the will of the people.

[Fartsniffage]

Why? What damage is it going to do to society?

If it goes against society's socio-cultural values, then it is not in the best interest of the government go legalize it. Government exists to maintain social order, to uphold the values of it's people, and to act in accordance with the will of the people.

Ah. So your of the opinion that when the US government legalised interracial marriage across the nation in 1967 they were doing the wrong thing?

[The Great Warrior Rivers]

If it goes against society's socio-cultural values, then it is not in the best interest of the government go legalize it. Government exists to maintain social order, to uphold the values of it's people, and to act in accordance with the will of the people.

Ah. So your of the opinion that when the US government legalised interracial marriage across the nation in 1967 they were doing the wrong thing?

It was against a Constitutional Amendment. Show me the Partial-Nudity Amendment.

[The Silver Bloods]

Not surprised with the overwhelming percentage of yes since NSG is 99% Testosterone and 1% Hot Gas. Anyway, ehm, to put it in nice terms I don't think some people would be able to keep it in their pants so I think it would lead to some problems.

[Fartsniffage]

Ah. So your of the opinion that when the US government legalised interracial marriage across the nation in 1967 they were doing the wrong thing?

It was against a Constitutional Amendment. Show me the Partial-Nudity Amendment.

That's not what he said. He said it's the governments place to uphold the social values of society, In '67 the majority was not in favour of interracial marriage.

But if you insist. Read the 14th. Article 1, specifically.

Edit: Just realised 2 different posters. Changed pronouns to fit.

[Sebtopiaris]

Meh. If you legalise it, it's not like all the chicks are going to go "fuck yeah!" and start walking around topless. I might be wrong, but if I had tits and I did that I'd feel weird as hell, especially with all these NSG-goers checking me out. I say we legalise it out of double standard, and take into account that not everybody is going to do this unless we make it compulsory so we shouldn't panic.