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Should women be allowed to 'go topless' in areas where men are allowed the same privilege?

Yes
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No
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Novorobo
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Postby Novorobo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:32 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Guys. Unless you are super sexy, who would want to be topless anyway. (Male or female?)

Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?

Isn't bright-coloured clothing better for that if only for being less absorptive to sun rays than skin?
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Confederate Ramenia
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:32 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Surely some of us have better things to do than continue this back and forth silliness. I know I do.

Not you.

Being forced to see naked people when they do not want to can also be interpreted as sexual harassment.

Not really.
But hey, some people feel they have to go around doing so because 'freedoms'.

People purposely sexually harass others?
Then I have yet to see anything on this.
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Would walking around with a billboard showing graphic porn be sexual harassment? Because that's what this is to some people, especially from cultures which place heavy value on modesty. In some places and cultures it should be legal, but not in others.
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Excidium Planetis
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:36 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Guys. Unless you are super sexy, who would want to be topless anyway. (Male or female?)

Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?


People in Saudi Arabia have. They are almost completely covered in clothes. In fact, Hot weather usually means you are more prone to sunburn, and nudity compounds that problem.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:37 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?


People in Saudi Arabia have. They are almost completely covered in clothes. In fact, Hot weather usually means you are more prone to sunburn, and nudity compounds that problem.

See my response below. Also, why do you keep talking about nudity?
Novorobo wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?

Isn't bright-coloured clothing better for that if only for being less absorptive to sun rays than skin?

No. For one, the sun doesn't have to be out for it to be hot.
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Postby Silviah » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:38 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?


People in Saudi Arabia have. They are almost completely covered in clothes. In fact, Hot weather usually means you are more prone to sunburn, and nudity compounds that problem.

But you are incorrect, my boy! Females in africa walk around bare chested and they do not develop sunburn! (Neither do males)
Do you know why? It's called melanin concentration in the skin. I have high amounts of it.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:39 pm

Silviah wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
People in Saudi Arabia have. They are almost completely covered in clothes. In fact, Hot weather usually means you are more prone to sunburn, and nudity compounds that problem.

But you are incorrect, my boy! Females in africa walk around bare chested and they do not develop sunburn! (Neither do males)
Do you know why? It's called melanin concentration in the skin. I have high amounts of it.


So what you are saying is... dark-skinned people can be nude, but light-skinned people need to cover up? Yes, seems reasonable.

(Actually, Africans can get sunburn. And I believe topless women are more common in sub-Saharan Africa, where the sunlight is slightly weaker.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:40 pm

Novorobo wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?

Isn't bright-coloured clothing better for that if only for being less absorptive to sun rays than skin?

Yes, specifically how white reflects all energy and light, and black absorbs all light and energy
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:43 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Novorobo wrote:Isn't bright-coloured clothing better for that if only for being less absorptive to sun rays than skin?

Yes, specifically how white reflects all energy and light, and black absorbs all light and energy


Wrong. White does not reflect ALL energy and light. Those are called mirrors.
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Confederate Ramenia
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:45 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Yes, specifically how white reflects all energy and light, and black absorbs all light and energy


Wrong. White does not reflect ALL energy and light. Those are called mirrors.

lol
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Postby Silviah » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:46 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Yes, specifically how white reflects all energy and light, and black absorbs all light and energy


Wrong. White does not reflect ALL energy and light. Those are called mirrors.

But it does reflect more.

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Postby Olthar » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:48 pm

Novorobo wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Ever hear of this thing called "hot weather"?

Isn't bright-coloured clothing better for that if only for being less absorptive to sun rays than skin?

Depends on the material. If it's too heavy and/or doesn't breathe well, nudity is far more preferential. After all, most clothing inhibits sweating.
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Postby Silviah » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:49 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Silviah wrote:But you are incorrect, my boy! Females in africa walk around bare chested and they do not develop sunburn! (Neither do males)
Do you know why? It's called melanin concentration in the skin. I have high amounts of it.


So what you are saying is... dark-skinned people can be nude, but light-skinned people need to cover up? Yes, seems reasonable.

(Actually, Africans can get sunburn. And I believe topless women are more common in sub-Saharan Africa, where the sunlight is slightly weaker.

Not the way I meant it, but if that's how you wanted to interpret it...

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Postby Aethrys » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:54 pm

As a hetero male I support this proposition.
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:55 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Silviah wrote:But you are incorrect, my boy! Females in africa walk around bare chested and they do not develop sunburn! (Neither do males)
Do you know why? It's called melanin concentration in the skin. I have high amounts of it.


So what you are saying is... dark-skinned people can be nude, but light-skinned people need to cover up? Yes, seems reasonable.

(Actually, Africans can get sunburn. And I believe topless women are more common in sub-Saharan Africa, where the sunlight is slightly weaker.

Nope, black people have magic skin powers. Must sacrifice for magics.
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Benito Mussolini wrote:Everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:07 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Othelos wrote:Unnecessary restriction on personal freedom.


Who says it's unnecessary? And why?

Because going topless doesn't hurt anyone. I shouldn't have to make up for other people's issues.

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Postby SaintB » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:10 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Havenic Israel wrote:
Then you clearly lack a sex drive. Not trying to be a jerk, just being honest.

No, I'm just not the sort of depraved person that goes, "Oooh, titties!"

My sex drive is plenty high, I assure you.

Agreed, I have a rather high sex drive but I can look neutrally at a pair of naked breasts without turning into some kind of sexual harassment machine. Context really matters...
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:39 pm

Unless your drunk.

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:42 pm

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Unless your drunk.

Unless his drunk what?
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Postby SaintB » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:52 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Unless your drunk.

Unless his drunk what?

And who's drunk what?
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:55 pm

tbh id prefer it men kept their shirts on instead
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:56 pm

SaintB wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Unless his drunk what?

And who's drunk what?

Probably Iffy's drunk.
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:57 pm

No.

And goes for men too. Unless we can remove the stigma around it all.

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:58 pm

Talvezout wrote:No.

And goes for men too. Unless we can remove the stigma around it all.

The way to remove the stigma is to allow it, the stigma will eventually disappear.
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:06 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:Unless your drunk.

Unless his drunk what?

Thats what she said.....

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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:06 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Talvezout wrote:No.

And goes for men too. Unless we can remove the stigma around it all.

The way to remove the stigma is to allow it, the stigma will eventually disappear.

Along with the rule, which is pointless.

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