Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Arbolvine]

No, that violates freedom of speech. Where the fuck did you pull censorship from? And when you say "which right is violated by seeing something they don't like," well look at your post. You seem to think a tiny minority has the right to demand people cover up so that they don't see something they don't like.

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I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I agree. In fact, scanning through your other posts, you seem to be arguing the same position as I. Are we misinterpreting each other?

[New haven america]

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I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?

Walking around topless isn't as dangerous as driving a car.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

My point is that 'because they don't want to cover up' is a ridiculous reason for public nudity being allowed, folks. Try to keep up here.

[Ostroeuropa]

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I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I agree. In fact, scanning through your other posts, you seem to be arguing the same position as I. Are we misinterpreting each other?

I think you confused me by implying it's a larger group being fucked over. I see it as a majority fucking over a minority.

[Excidium Planetis]

Alright, so we're back to where we began. Groping a breast is then not sexual harassment because it isn't sexual.

That's not true either, word =/= definition.

Actually, word does = definition.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Boobs =/= health and safety concern.

There's a reason there's a speed limit. It's called physics.

Speed isn't a safety concern either. Heck, in many places there are no speed limits.

There are speed limits in the vast majority of nations and states. That's a ridiculous statement to make, it sure as hell is a safety concern.

[Excidium Planetis]

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?

Walking around topless isn't as dangerous as driving a car.

You're right. We should ban cars. They're too dangerous.

[Spoder]

Boobs =/= health and safety concern.

There's a reason there's a speed limit. It's called physics.

Speed isn't a safety concern either. Heck, in many places there are no speed limits.

Europe. Only on highways, because they're long, large, don't have many turns and many European cars have governors.

Try to turn at intersection going 120mph ten meters before you hit the intersection. I dare you.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I agree. In fact, scanning through your other posts, you seem to be arguing the same position as I. Are we misinterpreting each other?

I think you confused me by implying it's a larger group being fucked over. I see it as a majority fucking over a minority.

"OH GOD WE HAVE TO WEAR CLOTHES! THE HORROR ... THE HORROR ... MY RIGHTS ARE SO BEING FUCKED WITH HERE!"

... I'm sorry, but no.

[Ostroeuropa]

My point is that 'because they don't want to cover up' is a ridiculous reason for public nudity being allowed, folks. Try to keep up here.

Because there is no good reason to stop them except "Because we want to ;_;"
Well, they want to go topless.
So...

Why exactly do you get to use the state to enforce your will on what OTHER PEOPLE do with THEIR BODIES?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Try to keep up here.

Hi Kettle. I appreciate you're calling me black, but you are too.

Not really.

How so? Homosexual men have been found to produce very low levels of test and more levels of estrogen, thus leading to their desire in men. Your level of test or estrogen is determined in the womb, homosexuals are the "odd ones out" per say.

Please stop acting like you're a scientist. You know damn well enough and so do I that Testosterone has not a damn thing to do with sexuality, otherwise if men were to produce that little of testerone, then they would lack muscle, bone mass, and body hair, two of which are required unless you want to be as weak as a stick.

Really, you can stop bullshitting the scientific route anytime.

[Spoder]

I think you confused me by implying it's a larger group being fucked over. I see it as a majority fucking over a minority.

"OH GOD WE HAVE TO WEAR CLOTHES! THE HORROR ... THE HORROR ... MY RIGHTS ARE SO BEING FUCKED WITH HERE!"

... I'm sorry, but no.

How about:

"Breasts are a secondary sex characteristic for all sexes, they're not a sex organ, but for some reason men are allowed to go topless but women aren't?"

[Novorobo]

While it may not be a crime in and of itself, it can be a factor in whether or not something is made a crime.

Generalization much?? I don't even know what to make of this.

What generalization? What are you talking about?

[New haven america]

Yes I did.

Here, I'll put it here again.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=secondary+sex ... +sex+organ

It's amazing how quickly a search can change one's mind, after they make a stupid mistake.

Now it's your turn to admit it.

Alright, so we're back to where we began. Groping a breast is then not sexual harassment because it isn't sexual.

Touching someone if they do not want to be touched is, in fact, sexual harassment.

[Praetorian010]

Why should it not? Because you and your subjective morals say it's wrong? Who are you to tell people what they can and can't look like in public?

[Unitaristic Regions]

The useless shit we get wound up about...

[Ostroeuropa]

I think you confused me by implying it's a larger group being fucked over. I see it as a majority fucking over a minority.

"OH GOD WE HAVE TO WEAR CLOTHES! THE HORROR ... THE HORROR ... MY RIGHTS ARE SO BEING FUCKED WITH HERE!"

... I'm sorry, but no.

"We want you to cover up."
"Why?"
"JUST FUCKING DO IT, oh my god, it's not such a big deal!!!"
"I don't want to."
"Well, we want you to, and for some unexplained reason, our desires are more important than yours, even though we're making YOU do something. And if you don't do it, we'll use the state to force you to do it, so we're threatening violence on this point. What do you mean, you think we're kind of oppressive?"


Nathi, you have to be naked now. Everyone does. No exceptions. On threat of violence. It's not a big deal, right?
Oh, you don't want to? Well, thats irrelevant to us, you have to conform to our standards.

[Excidium Planetis]

Speed isn't a safety concern either. Heck, in many places there are no speed limits.

There are speed limits in the vast majority of nations and states. That's a ridiculous statement to make, it sure as hell is a safety concern.

I know that in Germany the autobahns have no federal speed limit. I'm sure there are many more. I believe (but I'm not sure) that California has a traffic law that allows you to travel at any speed safe for the conditions of the road, which allows you to exceed the speed limit in some cases.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

My point is that 'because they don't want to cover up' is a ridiculous reason for public nudity being allowed, folks. Try to keep up here.

What's the point of putting your own quote? Really Nathani, I think there is more room for your argument, that is, if there is one.

Speaking of which, I'm not seeing any at all here. Maybe I'm just going blind, but really. Going with the, quoting is unnecessary.

[The Derpy Dominion]

No.

[Praetorian010]

Why should it not? Because you and your subjective morals say it's wrong? Who are you to tell people what they can and can't look like in public?

[New haven america]

I think you confused me by implying it's a larger group being fucked over. I see it as a majority fucking over a minority.

"OH GOD WE HAVE TO WEAR CLOTHES! THE HORROR ... THE HORROR ... MY RIGHTS ARE SO BEING FUCKED WITH HERE!"

... I'm sorry, but no.

Yes, actually, your rights are being fucked up. Males don't have any laws stopping us from going topless, but females do, and can go to jail for it.

Don't you that's just a little sexist and wrong?

[Lancaster of Wessex]

There are speed limits in the vast majority of nations and states. That's a ridiculous statement to make, it sure as hell is a safety concern.

I know that in Germany the autobahns have no federal speed limit. I'm sure there are many more. I believe (but I'm not sure) that California has a traffic law that allows you to travel at any speed safe for the conditions of the road, which allows you to exceed the speed limit in some cases.

That's a fine few examples, but to say it's NOT a safety concern is absolute nonsense. (Anyway, I don't want to sidetrack the debate.)

[Arbolvine]

Boobs =/= health and safety concern.

There's a reason there's a speed limit. It's called physics.

Speed isn't a safety concern either. Heck, in many places there are no speed limits.

Having no speed limits is most often in of itself a safety concern.

[High Germany]

Try to keep up here.

Hi Kettle. I appreciate you're calling me black, but you are too.

How so? Homosexual men have been found to produce very low levels of test and more levels of estrogen, thus leading to their desire in men. Your level of test or estrogen is determined in the womb, homosexuals are the "odd ones out" per say.

Please stop acting like you're a scientist. You know damn well enough and so do I that Testosterone has not a damn thing to do with sexuality, otherwise if men were to produce that little of testerone, then they would lack muscle, bone mass, and body hair, two of which are required unless you want to be as weak as a stick.

Really, you can stop bullshitting the scientific route anytime.

Did I hit a nerve there? Sorry but it's as simple as that. Test and estrogen determine your sexuality in fetal development. And you are indeed right about the lack muscle, bone mass, and body hair. Homosexuals do indeed look more feminine than heterosexual males. I'm not saying that homosexuals produce no test, that would be silly. Rather, that they produce very little compared to a hetero.