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Should women be allowed to 'go topless' in areas where men are allowed the same privilege?

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Arbolvine
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Postby Arbolvine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:14 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Arbolvine wrote:Wow. You do realize your so-called "rights" are to violate the rights of a much larger group? So...fuck people's rights if their rights are already fucked with, I guess.


Which right is violated by people seeing something they don't like?
You think censorship is something society should tolerate?

No, that violates freedom of speech. Where the fuck did you pull censorship from? And when you say "which right is violated by seeing something they don't like," well look at your post. You seem to think a tiny minority has the right to demand people cover up so that they don't see something they don't like.
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Excidium Planetis
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:14 pm

Spoder wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
That's not what you said:


I suppose contradicting yourself helps your argument?

I correcting my previous mistake, you're wrong :)


No, you didn't "correct your mistake". You just changed your mind twice in like two minutes, and you didn't even have a reason the second time.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:15 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:I correcting my previous mistake, you're wrong :)


No, you didn't "correct your mistake". You just changed your mind twice in like two minutes, and you didn't even have a reason the second time.

Yes I did.

Here, I'll put it here again.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=secondary+sex ... +sex+organ

It's amazing how quickly a search can change one's mind, after they make a stupid mistake.

Now it's your turn to admit it.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:15 pm

High Germany wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
My brain does no such thing.

Then you're either:
A) A female
B) Have low testosterone

The level of testosterone, lets call it test for the sake of faster typing, determines your body's response to what I've stated about healthy females. Men of low test respond less aggressively and are more controlled. Men of high test respond more aggressively and are less controlled. A test level in between these two points is considered a healthy level of test.


C) Homosexual
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:15 pm

High Germany wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
My brain does no such thing.

Then you're either:
A) A female
B) Have low testosterone

The level of testosterone, lets call it test for the sake of faster typing, determines your body's response to what I've stated about healthy females. Men of low test respond less aggressively and are more controlled. Men of high test respond more aggressively and are less controlled. A test level in between these two points is considered a healthy level of test.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:15 pm

New haven america wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
Skin isn't an organ.

... Yes it fucking is, it's the largest organ of the integumentary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin


Read the post immediately above yours.
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Postby Novorobo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:15 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Novorobo wrote:Even if only 1% of women do this, it could cause more than 1% of men to be distracted.


Distraction isn't a crime. And that's why so few women do it, they don't need or want the attention, and I don't blame them.

While it may not be a crime in and of itself, it can be a factor in whether or not something is made a crime.
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High Germany
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Postby High Germany » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:15 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
High Germany wrote:Then you're either:
A) A female
B) Have low testosterone

The level of testosterone, lets call it test for the sake of faster typing, determines your body's response to what I've stated about healthy females. Men of low test respond less aggressively and are more controlled. Men of high test respond more aggressively and are less controlled. A test level in between these two points is considered a healthy level of test.


C) Homosexual

C pretty much applies to B.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:16 pm

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Only because they're always covered, if they weren't, they lose their sexualization.
2. Yes, for babies to obtain food from their mothers. But I'm guessing by your logic that that's sexual abuse?

No, they're not, their mammary glands used to feed children. Sexual organs are things like the penis and vagina, which are used in sexual activity and reproduction.

Flawed logic, so if my armpits are covered, they're sexy? And if they're not, they aren't?

..... Sexy armpits.

There are people who are attracted to armpits.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:16 pm

High Germany wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
C) Homosexual

C pretty much applies to B.

Not really.
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Lancaster of Wessex
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:16 pm

Novorobo wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Distraction isn't a crime. And that's why so few women do it, they don't need or want the attention, and I don't blame them.

While it may not be a crime in and of itself, it can be a factor in whether or not something is made a crime.


Generalization much?? I don't even know what to make of this.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:16 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
New haven america wrote:... Yes it fucking is, it's the largest organ of the integumentary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin


Read the post immediately above yours.

Ditto.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 pm

Arbolvine wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Which right is violated by people seeing something they don't like?
You think censorship is something society should tolerate?

No, that violates freedom of speech. Where the fuck did you pull censorship from? And when you say "which right is violated by seeing something they don't like," well look at your post. You seem to think a tiny minority has the right to demand people cover up so that they don't see something they don't like.


...
I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.
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Postby Alaizia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 pm

At the end of this thread, someone might have an orgasm.... :p

On topic: Well I think that people should be proud about their body, if it is well taken care of, and not be ashamed. Nature gave us our body and didn't set specific regulations on how, why and where we should reveal it. And some people here have spoken about decency. And I ask them: is it decent to allow minors to watch violent and blooded movies about war and the like? Or almost equally violent and blooded UFC matches for example? Just think of that.

And I don't see it as a matter of feminism. Sure, pure feminists are very often crazy and overwhelming in their views and demands. But this matter is about gender equality and self-improvement. Self-improvement how you might ask? By opening ourselves and shoot down some of our internal restrictions and walls. For instance, if I exercise and rip my body so much to the point where I have objectively done a pretty good damn job with it, I will choose to show it more often publicly (summer helps much to that). And I sure as hell will take positive reactions, so it will be my reward. Same thing about women. I don't say that they should flaunt their bodies at every possible opportunity. But a, confident about her body, woman shouldn't have suspensions about if it's morally correct and proper to show her body if she wants to. Morallity actually doesn't even enter into it. Do you mean to tell me that if a woman wants to take a walk at the beach under the summer sun, she shouldn't? Because of what? I just don't get it.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Arbolvine wrote:No, that violates freedom of speech. Where the fuck did you pull censorship from? And when you say "which right is violated by seeing something they don't like," well look at your post. You seem to think a tiny minority has the right to demand people cover up so that they don't see something they don't like.


...
I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?

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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:17 pm

High Germany wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
C) Homosexual

C pretty much applies to B.

*Cough*Bullshit*Cough*
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
...
I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?

Boobs =/= health and safety concern.

There's a reason there's a speed limit. It's called physics.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
...
I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?

Driving a car has not much to do with this, and not following a rule that could end up costing your life is neither.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Spoder wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
No, you didn't "correct your mistake". You just changed your mind twice in like two minutes, and you didn't even have a reason the second time.

Yes I did.

Here, I'll put it here again.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=secondary+sex ... +sex+organ

It's amazing how quickly a search can change one's mind, after they make a stupid mistake.

Now it's your turn to admit it.


Alright, so we're back to where we began. Groping a breast is then not sexual harassment because it isn't sexual.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
...
I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?


Speed limit laws help save lives, often.
Showing off a pair of tits isn't going to impinge on someone's life.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
...
I'm pro-nudism being legal.

I'd say it's censorship to force people to cover up if they don't want to do so.

I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?


You really don't see the difference between presenting yourself the way you want to, and moving too fast? One is kind of dangerous.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:19 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:Yes I did.

Here, I'll put it here again.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=secondary+sex ... +sex+organ

It's amazing how quickly a search can change one's mind, after they make a stupid mistake.

Now it's your turn to admit it.


Alright, so we're back to where we began. Groping a breast is then not sexual harassment because it isn't sexual.

That's not true either, word =/= definition.
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Postby High Germany » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:19 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
High Germany wrote:C pretty much applies to B.

Not really.

How so? Homosexual men have been found to produce very low levels of test and more levels of estrogen, thus leading to their desire in men. Your level of test or estrogen is determined in the womb, homosexuals are the "odd ones out" per say.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:19 pm

My point is that 'because they don't want to cover up' is a ridiculous reason for public nudity being allowed, folks. Try to keep up here.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:19 pm

Spoder wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:I don't want to drive the speed limit. Is putting up laws censorship?

Boobs =/= health and safety concern.

There's a reason there's a speed limit. It's called physics.


Speed isn't a safety concern either. Heck, in many places there are no speed limits.
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