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Should women be allowed to 'go topless' in areas where men are allowed the same privilege?

Yes
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No
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:00 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual?s=t

I think you do.

Well, I suppose that they can be technically called sexual organs if you grope them during sex.


adjective
1. of, relating to, or for sex :
sexual matters; sexual aids.
2. occurring between or involving the sexes :
sexual relations.

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.


Is Skin a sexual organ?
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:01 pm

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Let the majority decide if it should be legal or not.

This. It's too harmless to be a straight ban, and too opposed/immoral to be straight legal. It needs to be left to individual communities to decide.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:01 pm

Spoder wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
No worries.

And to the poster who said 20% of the female population would go topless if they could, I call BS. It's legal here in Canada, and I've never seen it. Ever.

That's because most of the year, you'd get frostbitten nipples.


*applaud* Still never seen it, even in 40C heat. Yes. It can get that hot here.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:01 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual?s=t

I think you do.

Well, I suppose that they can be technically called sexual organs if you grope them during sex.


adjective
1. of, relating to, or for sex :
sexual matters; sexual aids.
2. occurring between or involving the sexes :
sexual relations.

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

Breasts aren't naturally involved in sex.

They've become a sexual organ.

I already did say they are technically a sexual organ.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:01 pm

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No, we ban guns because some people are killers. Flawed logic on your part.


How the fuck did you turn a debate on whether or not women should be able to show their tits in public into a gun control argument?


Ask the person who compared banning breasts to banning knives:
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Some people suffer from sex addiction.

Doesn't matter. Do we ban knives because some people are sadists?
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Postby The Alexanderians » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:01 pm

The poll is a loaded question
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Postby Harelia » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:02 pm

High Germany wrote:No. Anyone who even proclaims any sense of logic should say no. Men and women are different not just physically, but mentally. The male's brain reacts to the sight of plump breasts, curves, and large bottoms by releasing testosterone, adrenaline, and an erection. Why? Because these things indicate a healthy female, therefor, healthy offspring, therefor, breed baby breed. Women do the same thing, only replace testosterone with estrogen and plump breasts, etc., with a strong male, strong face, body hair, etc. The main difference should've already been spotted here, men release testosterone, adrenaline, and an erection.

Men are simply more... aggressive and prominent in their desire to breed. So what do you end up with? Well you end up with every men going googly eyed with an erection and excited. A confused child with weird feelings that his father now has to give "the talk". And seniors losing more hope for the future generations.

So really, it's not just "your" body. People have a right to not have to be bombarded with indecent exposure when they want to go play with their kid in the park or take a jog. Your actions have consequences that affect both you and the people around you. Men apply as well. You don't generally see many men walking around exposing their bush or walking around with an erection because: indecent exposure laws.

If you want to go topless, go to a nudist beach. If you want to do soft drugs, do it in the privacy of your own home. Etc., Etc., Etc.


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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:02 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual?s=t

I think you do.

Well, I suppose that they can be technically called sexual organs if you grope them during sex.


adjective
1. of, relating to, or for sex :
sexual matters; sexual aids.
2. occurring between or involving the sexes :
sexual relations.

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

Hands are also used in sex. Oh, and so is your mouth. And a lot of things. Lets force people to cover those too.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.


Is Skin a sexual organ?

Yes, technically. At least per that definition.

I'd go on Wikipedia for a more lengthy definition, but I'm a little bit scared as I'm on a school computer >_>
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:02 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:The poll is a loaded question


How so?
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:03 pm

Spoder wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

Breasts aren't naturally involved in sex.

They've become a sexual organ.

I already did say they are technically a sexual organ.


They are considered a secondary sexual characteristic.

And if you agree, you need to find a reason to justify publicly displaying a sex organ.
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:03 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual?s=t

I think you do.

Well, I suppose that they can be technically called sexual organs if you grope them during sex.


adjective
1. of, relating to, or for sex :
sexual matters; sexual aids.
2. occurring between or involving the sexes :
sexual relations.

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

This matter is hotly debated. Please consult your local physician for further advances in the argument.

Lay it off, guys, scientists have been debating this for ages. A bunch of NS posters could hardly know better.

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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:03 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Spoder wrote:That's because most of the year, you'd get frostbitten nipples.


*applaud* Still never seen it, even in 40C heat. Yes. It can get that hot here.

Well it's still nice to have the option I guess.

I know if it was that hot, I'd let them hang.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:03 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual?s=t

I think you do.

Well, I suppose that they can be technically called sexual organs if you grope them during sex.


adjective
1. of, relating to, or for sex :
sexual matters; sexual aids.
2. occurring between or involving the sexes :
sexual relations.

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

1. Only because they're always covered, if they weren't, they lose their sexualization.
2. Yes, for babies to obtain food from their mothers. But I'm guessing by your logic that that's sexual abuse?

No, they're not, their mammary glands used to feed children. Sexual organs are things like the penis and vagina, which are used in sexual activity and reproduction.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:04 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Spoder wrote:Breasts aren't naturally involved in sex.

They've become a sexual organ.

I already did say they are technically a sexual organ.


They are considered a secondary sexual characteristic.

And if you agree, you need to find a reason to justify publicly displaying a sex organ.

Male breasts are just the same.

Believe me, some people grope male breasts.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:04 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:The poll is a loaded question


How so?


It doesn't allow you to specify what areas, or to vote that no one, regardless of gender, should be topless.
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:05 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:The poll is a loaded question


How so?

It specifically mentions that men are allowed to go sans shirt. It shows the pollster's personal belief, and thus biases the answerer to choose yes. A correct way to ask it would be: Do you think women should be allowed to go topless in public?

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:05 pm

Spoder wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
They are considered a secondary sexual characteristic.

And if you agree, you need to find a reason to justify publicly displaying a sex organ.

Male breasts are just the same.

Believe me, some people grope male breasts.


Exactly. You'll find that I've argued all along in this thread that being topless should be illegal for everyone, regardless of gender.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

This matter is hotly debated. Please consult your local physician for further advances in the argument.

Lay it off, guys, scientists have been debating this for ages. A bunch of NS posters could hardly know better.

No, they haven't been debating this for ages, scientists are smart enough to know the difference between sexual organs and a gland used to feed children.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

Secondary sex characteristics are not called sex organs.
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

Equality through force, eh?

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Postby Arbolvine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
So few people go topless where it's legalized as I've said, so what does it even matter? A few people may do it, a few prudes may be upset, this affects probably 1% (or some very small percentage) of the population or less. I don't see the debate, honestly.


Because fuck peoples rights if they're a small enough minority, right?

Wow. You do realize your so-called "rights" are to violate the rights of a much larger group? So...fuck people's rights if their rights are already fucked with, I guess.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How so?


It doesn't allow you to specify what areas, or to vote that no one, regardless of gender, should be topless.


What areas isn't relevant to the question.
You have a point on the second bit, there should be an option to ban it for both.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

New haven america wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:

1. Breasts are used in sex.
2. Breasts involve the sexes... in women, they lactate and are usually larger.

So yes, Breasts are sexual organs. Admit it.

1. Only because they're always covered, if they weren't, they lose their sexualization.
2. Yes, for babies to obtain food from their mothers. But I'm guessing by your logic that that's sexual abuse?

No, they're not, their mammary glands used to feed children. Sexual organs are things like the penis and vagina, which are used in sexual activity and reproduction.


How can you prove they'd lose their sexualization. Over time, and I mean decades upon decades where it is extremely common place, then perhaps. But as I've said above, even where it's legalized, so few people participate. You'd have to have waves of women who suddenly felt like going about their business topless all day long. That will never happen, and they will never lose their sexualization.

Breasts were glorified as being part of fertility (obviously) even millennia ago, and thus were overtly part of sex. To deny breasts' inherent connection to sexuality is absurd.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:06 pm

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How so?

It specifically mentions that men are allowed to go sans shirt. It shows the pollster's personal belief, and thus biases the answerer to choose yes. A correct way to ask it would be: Do you think women should be allowed to go topless in public?


Except it doesn't. It asks whether women should be allowed to go topless in places where men are already granted the same privilege.

There's no claim there.
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