Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Lancaster of Wessex]

To what end? If people don't want to do it, even if it's legal, what's the point?

So everyone would just get over nudity and not see it as a huge taboo thing.

Well, even if some don't see it as taboo, some may just not give a damn about it. I don't see it as taboo myself, but I wouldn't want to participate in such a day. It's just not something I'd be interested in doing! Can't make people care or want to be nude/topless, it's really not important to a functioning society.

[Spoder]

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

mm...
Public health.
Cold climates mandating clothing because ermagerd, freezing.

It's not like a cop is going to walk up to you, tell you to get your hands where they can see them and proceed to remove your top.

[Confederate Ramenia]

I think we need to remind ourselves perhaps that even if it was legalized in places it is not currently, that flocks of women would NOT be going about topless all of a sudden. The vast, vast, vast majority of women would not use this "new found freedom," so it's scarcely even worth debating.

A nudism day might be fun.
Like bring your kid to work day.
But everyone goes topless.
Since everyone does it, it'll get people on board. And then it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

Having tons of nude women might sound good in theory, but if everyone's nude there's no thrill in tits. Besides, most women won't go topless even in such a day like that.

Edit: and there are some women you do not want to see naked

[Harelia]

Breasts are not inherently sexual anymore than a nose or lips.

I recall an episode of Taboo (from National Geographic) including a Wiccan (or something) ritual in the forest by a lit fire. All the participants were nude yet they didn't censor the breasts. Apparently YouTube agreed with them, and let it pass...of-course the entire episode was on Nudity. So I supposed they deemed it educational.

As a Wiccan and a pansexual I can see how that works. There are some among us whom of which may be considered 'Skyclad' as they call it. Mind you, these wiccans practice among others with strict moral ruling and religious obedience. Try something and you're gonna get a consequence for it. But this is something else entirely.

And no, I'm not a practitioner of Skyclad. I'm a witch who keeps his clothes on.

Unless I'm in the shower. I'm always naked in the shower.

SIIIIINGIN' IN THE RAIN-I'm kidding....

[Ostroeuropa]

A nudism day might be fun.
Like bring your kid to work day.
But everyone goes topless.
Since everyone does it, it'll get people on board. And then it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

Having tons of nude women might sound good in theory, but if everyone's nude there's no thrill in tits. Besides, most women won't go topless even in such a day like that.

Edit: and there are some women you do not want to see naked

That's kind of the point. To remove the thrill factor.

[Spoder]

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

I agree. But, what other arguments have been mentioned during this entire debate? It all boils down to morality or liberalism

It all boils down to what your morals are:

- Some people can't control their boners/wetness, and of course only women's breasts cause these so it should be illegal

or

- How is the above a reason?

[Rhodevus]

A nudism day might be fun.
Like bring your kid to work day.
But everyone goes topless.
Since everyone does it, it'll get people on board. And then it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

Having tons of nude women might sound good in theory, but if everyone's nude there's no thrill in tits. Besides, most women won't go topless even in such a day like that.

Edit: and there are some women you do not want to see naked

That is kind of the point of the whole toplessness thing. Take away the oversexualization of boobs in societies.

[Arbolvine]

I'm for freedom and equality. But that DOESN'T include lewd displays of sexual organs.

Breasts are not inherently sexual anymore than a nose or lips.

Exactly. When was the last time breasts were necessary for conception?

[Spoder]

Having tons of nude women might sound good in theory, but if everyone's nude there's no thrill in tits. Besides, most women won't go topless even in such a day like that.

Edit: and there are some women you do not want to see naked

That is kind of the point of the whole toplessness thing. Take away the oversexualization of boobs in societies.

Not really.

It's just that oversexualization of mammary glands shouldn't exist at all.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

Not true. Practically, legalize nudity immediately would cause a massive shock in society. No one would probably follow the rule, and those who do will get shunned by the reactionary side. We must introduce change incrementally, and let it seep in the deepest cracks of society, lest you fracture it entirely by applying force. If you cannot accept this law of change, you are no better and less extreme than your enemies.

TL;DR: Wait for everyone who opposing nudity to die and force the children to accept this without questions.

SOCIALIST UTOPIA ACHIEVED

[Rhodevus]

That is kind of the point of the whole toplessness thing. Take away the oversexualization of boobs in societies.

Not really.

It's just that oversexualization of mammary glands shouldn't exist at all.

but the sexualization does exist...

[Excidium Planetis]

I agree. But, what other arguments have been mentioned during this entire debate? It all boils down to morality or liberalism

It all boils down to what your morals are:

- Some people can't control their boners/wetness, and of course only women's breasts cause these so it should be illegal

or

- How is the above a reason?

It's not ONLY women's breasts. It's sexual organs in general.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I recall an episode of Taboo (from National Geographic) including a Wiccan (or something) ritual in the forest by a lit fire. All the participants were nude yet they didn't censor the breasts. Apparently YouTube agreed with them, and let it pass...of-course the entire episode was on Nudity. So I supposed they deemed it educational.

As a Wiccan and a pansexual I can see how that works. There are some among us whom of which may be considered 'Skyclad' as they call it. Mind you, these wiccans practice among others with strict moral ruling and religious obedience. Try something and you're gonna get a consequence for it. But this is something else entirely.

And no, I'm not a practitioner of Skyclad. I'm a witch who keeps his clothes on.

Unless I'm in the shower. I'm always naked in the shower.

SIIIIINGIN' IN THE RAIN-I'm kidding....

WHAT A GLORIOUS FEELING I'M HAPPY AGAIN......

[Spoder]

It all boils down to what your morals are:

- Some people can't control their boners/wetness, and of course only women's breasts cause these so it should be illegal

or

- How is the above a reason?

It's not ONLY women's breasts. It's sexual organs in general.

Did you just call breasts a reproductive organ?

[Confederate Ramenia]

That is kind of the point of the whole toplessness thing. Take away the oversexualization of boobs in societies.

Not really.

It's just that oversexualization of mammary glands shouldn't exist at all.

I know, I just think Ostro's only supporting this because he wants to see boobs irl. But sexualisation of breasts has existed since prehistoric times, so it will probably exist long into the future.

[Excidium Planetis]

Breasts are not inherently sexual anymore than a nose or lips.

Exactly. When was the last time breasts were necessary for conception?

They aren't. But if they aren't sexual, then groping someone's breasts isn't sexual harassment.

[Spoder]

Not really.

It's just that oversexualization of mammary glands shouldn't exist at all.

but the sexualization does exist...

I never said it didn't.

[Ostroeuropa]

A guy can walk around with his hands being in plain view of women.
And his mouth and tongue.

But womens breasts are off limits.

That kind of shows how ridiculous and arbitrary this is, considering, you know.
I mean, maybe i'm wrong, but it seems to me that way more sexual stuff happens with hands and tongue and mouth. Other than groping (And let's face it, everywhere is groped), tits are used pretty sparingly.
But then again, i'm more of an ass person.

[Excidium Planetis]

It's not ONLY women's breasts. It's sexual organs in general.

Did you just call breasts a reproductive organ?

SEXUAL =/= REPRODUCTIVE

[Novorobo]

Breasts are not inherently sexual anymore than a nose or lips.

I recall an episode of Taboo (from National Geographic) including a Wiccan (or something) ritual in the forest by a lit fire. All the participants were nude yet they didn't censor the breasts. Apparently YouTube agreed with them, and let it pass...of-course the entire episode was on Nudity. So I supposed they deemed it educational.

Are these societies as prosperous as the western world?

[Herrebrugh]

I'm not particularly a fan... But it's only fair to allow women to go topless where men can, too.

[New haven america]

It all boils down to what your morals are:

- Some people can't control their boners/wetness, and of course only women's breasts cause these so it should be illegal

or

- How is the above a reason?

It's not ONLY women's breasts. It's sexual organs in general.

Did you just call tits a sex organ?

I think you need to go back to high school biology then...

[Arbolvine]

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

I agree. But, what other arguments have been mentioned during this entire debate? It all boils down to morality or liberalism

Be careful where you tread. Morality and liberalism are not mutually exclusive.

[Harelia]

That is kind of the point of the whole toplessness thing. Take away the oversexualization of boobs in societies.

Not really.

It's just that oversexualization of mammary glands shouldn't exist at all.

But it does. And for good reason. productive mammaries means that a female is plenty capable of bearing and caring for her young. And, as we are animals, the brain clicks the chemical urge to have sex with that individual because, as I said before...preservation of species.

There is no oversexualization. Simply sexualization. One does not pop a half chub and then go "Nah....not worth the boner."

The brain sexualizes because of traits that would be beneficial to create a new, better human being with traits that the other person may carry to the young.

Of course some peoples brains are wired entirely wrong...and others are wired as a means to balance out and slow the whole preservation process. IE homosexuality.

SCIENCE!

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Everything has a limit. Screw sides, I'm going centrist on your asses.

But why should be allowed to be topless and not women?

You men do not jiggle your manboobs when you walk about - at least the ones who don't possess manboobs. >_> Yours are not accepted widely as sexual symbols. Women's are, like it or not. Yours do not need support as you saunter down the street - many of ours do. You think the twins are uncomfortable now, try going around without a bra and really getting nasty and sweaty all under there. Son, I tell you what, it is not a pleasant thing. How do I know this? Because I tend to go around without a bra as often as I can get away with - AT HOME and in MY OWN YARD. And the fact is, working when it's going to be hot, I tend to put on said bra to stave off that uncomfortable feeling and overall gritty, nasty ick factor that results when going sans. So don't gimme those lame excuses. I got boobs, I'm fine with my boobs, and I don't think everyone and their dog needs to see my boobs, even if they were the most perfect pair on the planet and they could make the blind see and the lame walk again. >_<

I'm not that big of a prude, tbh. I simply like having SOME goram lines where we can more or less agree to operate within. We're not wild animals. We don't need to act like them, operating off our ID rather than Superego urges, at all given times. Perhaps it's my relative maturity level compared to the 24 and younger crowd that's predominant here, dunno. Yes, it's your body. Yes, by all means, be proud of it. But ffs, keep some o' that shit to yourself, plskthx. Like the old saying sorta goes - don't care what all you get up to, so long as you don't do it in the streets and scare the horses.