Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Ostroeuropa]

I think we need to remind ourselves perhaps that even if it was legalized in places it is not currently, that flocks of women would NOT be going about topless all of a sudden. The vast, vast, vast majority of women would not use this "new found freedom," so it's scarcely even worth debating.

A nudism day might be fun.
Like bring your kid to work day.
But everyone goes topless.
Since everyone does it, it'll get people on board. And then it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Then why not ban knives? People are killers and can kill with their knives. Even with their hands!

Yes. Exactly. We should ban knives, just like many places have banned guns. We can't ban hands, for practical reasons.

But that makes little sense, as Knives are used more often as tools than weapons. Why ban something like guns when there are those who use them responsibly? This makes no sense, but this isn't the place for this debate.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Yes. Exactly. We should ban knives, just like many places have banned guns. We can't ban hands, for practical reasons.

What about freedom of speech? There are people who would cause violent speech.

You can't yell "Fire" in a theater. Everything has it's limits.

[Kelinfort]

What about freedom of speech? There are people who would cause violent speech.

You can't yell "Fire" in a theater. Everything has it's limits.

You can encourage genocide.

[Benuty]

What about freedom of speech? There are people who would cause violent speech.

You can't yell "Fire" in a theater. Everything has it's limits.

Yet what does this have to do with expression?

[Spoder]

Why aren't the little things worth fighting for m'lady?

HMMMMMMMMMM?

Why? Why aren't small victories worthwhile?

Piss off, seriously.

You're just opposed to change. Change is the way of society, society has always changed, will always change, and for the last century has been becoming more and more progressive.

It happened with ankles, it happened with thighs, it's going to happen with breasts.

Why not? If it's such a small problem then why shouldn't it be legal? I mean, it's not like passing a bill that would legalize women being topless in public would all of a sudden cost the government millions. It might cost swimsuit designers a bit though...

[Excidium Planetis]

I'm for freedom and equality. But that DOESN'T include lewd displays of sexual organs.

Breasts are not inherently sexual anymore than a nose or lips.

So then groping them is no more sexual harassment then touching someone's nose?

[Rhodevus]

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The problem with this type of question, is that it has no actual answers for either side. Either, you are on the against-topless side, where your argument is morality and public decency, or you are on the pro-topless side, where the argument is screw public decency and be more liberal.

There are no actual facts that either side can state besides numbers of countries which legalize it or make it illegal.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

I think we need to remind ourselves perhaps that even if it was legalized in places it is not currently, that flocks of women would NOT be going about topless all of a sudden. The vast, vast, vast majority of women would not use this "new found freedom," so it's scarcely even worth debating.

A nudism day might be fun.
Like bring your kid to work day.
But everyone goes topless.
Since everyone does it, it'll get people on board. And then it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

To what end? If people don't want to do it, even if it's legal, what's the point?

[Excidium Planetis]

You can't yell "Fire" in a theater. Everything has it's limits.

You can encourage genocide.

Not in America.

[Spoder]

-snip-

The problem with this type of question, is that it has no actual answers for either side. Either, you are on the against-topless side, where your argument is morality and public decency, or you are on the pro-topless side, where the argument is screw public decency and be more liberal.

There are no actual facts that either side can state besides numbers of countries which legalize it or make it illegal.

Public decency?

What?

So women being topless is indecent?

What?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

-snip-

The problem with this type of question, is that it has no actual answers for either side. Either, you are on the against-topless side, where your argument is morality and public decency, or you are on the pro-topless side, where the argument is screw public decency and be more liberal.

There are no actual facts that either side can state besides numbers of countries which legalize it or make it illegal.

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

[Ostroeuropa]

A nudism day might be fun.
Like bring your kid to work day.
But everyone goes topless.
Since everyone does it, it'll get people on board. And then it wouldn't be such a huge deal.

To what end? If people don't want to do it, even if it's legal, what's the point?

So everyone would just get over nudity and not see it as a huge taboo thing.

[Spoder]

You can encourage genocide.

Not in America.

People do it online all the time.

[Excidium Planetis]

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The problem with this type of question, is that it has no actual answers for either side. Either, you are on the against-topless side, where your argument is morality and public decency, or you are on the pro-topless side, where the argument is screw public decency and be more liberal.

There are no actual facts that either side can state besides numbers of countries which legalize it or make it illegal.

Agreed. Pretty much.

[Rhodevus]

The problem with this type of question, is that it has no actual answers for either side. Either, you are on the against-topless side, where your argument is morality and public decency, or you are on the pro-topless side, where the argument is screw public decency and be more liberal.

There are no actual facts that either side can state besides numbers of countries which legalize it or make it illegal.

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

well, isn't that with every debate online?

[Excidium Planetis]

Not in America.

People do it online all the time.

The internet isn't in America.

[Spoder]

The problem with this type of question, is that it has no actual answers for either side. Either, you are on the against-topless side, where your argument is morality and public decency, or you are on the pro-topless side, where the argument is screw public decency and be more liberal.

There are no actual facts that either side can state besides numbers of countries which legalize it or make it illegal.

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

You can't yell "Fire" in a theater. Everything has it's limits.

Yet what does this have to do with expression?

Everything has a limit. Screw sides, I'm going centrist on your asses.

[Excidium Planetis]

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

well, isn't that with every debate online?

Even truer. No one ever "wins" internet debates.

[Spoder]

Yet what does this have to do with expression?

Everything has a limit. Screw sides, I'm going centrist on your asses.

But why should be allowed to be topless and not women?

[Ostroeuropa]

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

mm...
Public health.
Cold climates mandating clothing because ermagerd, freezing.

Economic stimulus. BUY CLOTHES! YOU HAVE TO!

[Paledonn]

Why not?

[Rhodevus]

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

I agree. But, what other arguments have been mentioned during this entire debate? It all boils down to morality or liberalism

[Excidium Planetis]

Sure there are. The problem is that neither side seems to want to accept them.

The problem is there's no reason for it not to be legal except for old-world conservative values.

And the problem is there's no reason for it to be legal than liberal values.