Free the nipple:should women be able to go topless in public

[Tholtia]

Why are we now arguing about breastfeeding?

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Who says it's inconvenient? Have you asked a large sampling of women, say 1000, to get their opinions on the matter? "Excuse me ma'am, do you find it inconvenient to breast feed your child?"

I would imagine the vast majority would say NO.

They made formula not just for the sake of convenience, but for women who cannot produce or cannot produce enough breast milk.

You would imagine, so you are no better than me on the topic.

You're the one claiming it's inconvenient.

I'm saying: prove it.

[Threlizdun]

Countless studies have shown the inherent benefits of breast milk to an infant. I suggest you do some reading, if you haven't, on the topic. And yes, there are many mothers who bottle their breast milk, it's quite common.

For the love of God people, GROW UP.

Well, yes, I'm not stupid, but it is inconvenient to have to breastfeed your baby everytime. That's what they made formula for. You guys are panicking like we are forcing women to remove their nipples and get a double mastectomy.

How the hell is it inconvenient? We are talking about lifting up a section of your shirt or removing a flap if you are wearing a maternity gown and cradling the baby against your breast as it suckles. The other option is making sure you always have formula on hand, mixing the formula, finding a heat source to warm the formula wherever you are, and then feeding the baby. It is longer, expensive, and can be done wrong which can prove to be potentially dangerous to your baby. Women evolved breasts to feed their infants with them. They were selected specifically for that purpose.

[Arcanda]

On beaches, yes they should.In city centers? Both men and women shouldn't.

Look at the following reasoning.Boobs are sexualized, maybe more than men's bosoms.Showing them in public becomes legal, good.After some time, people will show up completely naked- And get arrested.The same process goes on again.After all, sexual organs aren't sexual as they serve for a lot of other things.And what makes sexual organs so "sexual", and why everything that has to do with sex is frowned upon in public? Bam, everyone can now walk naked.

While some might appreciate it, I call this (Grossly exaggerated) exemple a form of degressive cultural decay.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

We are debating about the same points and getting nowhere. And anyway, you can't really influence the final decision of the courts. Just win over the hearts and minds of NS.

[Debolulu]

NO. And Men shouldn't either. Shirts for everyone, equality for everyone.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!

[Lantrus]

We are debating about the same points and getting nowhere. And anyway, you can't really influence the final decision of the courts. Just win over the hearts and minds of NS.

We all know this. Don't act like we don't.

[Stormwind-City]

We are debating about the same points and getting nowhere. And anyway, you can't really influence the final decision of the courts. Just win over the hearts and minds of NS.

So you're trying to dodge having to defend your flimsy argument? OK.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Well, yes, I'm not stupid, but it is inconvenient to have to breastfeed your baby everytime. That's what they made formula for. You guys are panicking like we are forcing women to remove their nipples and get a double mastectomy.

How the hell is it inconvenient? We are talking about lifting up a section of your shirt or removing a flap if you are wearing a maternity gown and cradling the baby against your breast as it suckles. The other option is making sure you always have formula on hand, mixing the formula, finding a heat source to warm the formula wherever you are, and then feeding the baby. It is longer, expensive, and can be done wrong which can prove to be potentially dangerous to your baby. Women evolved breasts to feed their infants with them. They were selected specifically for that purpose.

Always??? So women constantly run around in the streets, with no place to breastfeed, eh?

[Threlizdun]

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Because women are diverse and don't adhere to one way of doing things that you assumed they do.

But you can't use that to assume everyone will want to go topless. Even so, it does not remove the social restraint for a long while.

No one is assuming everyone would want to go topless, just like not all men go topless now. It is about allowing them to should they choose, as there is no harm in allowing them to do so.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

We are debating about the same points and getting nowhere. And anyway, you can't really influence the final decision of the courts. Just win over the hearts and minds of NS.

So you're trying to dodge having to defend your flimsy argument? OK.

I'm outnumbered. Check your privilege. And don't do Ad Hominem, you're trying to attack my arguments, not my integrity.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

But you can't use that to assume everyone will want to go topless. Even so, it does not remove the social restraint for a long while.

No one is assuming everyone would want to go topless, just like not all men go topless now. It is about allowing them to should they choose, as there is no harm in allowing them to do so.

I agree with that point, but I don't think we need to remove all restrictions. I don't support anarchy.

[Stormwind-City]

How the hell is it inconvenient? We are talking about lifting up a section of your shirt or removing a flap if you are wearing a maternity gown and cradling the baby against your breast as it suckles. The other option is making sure you always have formula on hand, mixing the formula, finding a heat source to warm the formula wherever you are, and then feeding the baby. It is longer, expensive, and can be done wrong which can prove to be potentially dangerous to your baby. Women evolved breasts to feed their infants with them. They were selected specifically for that purpose.

Always??? So women constantly run around in the streets, with no place to breastfeed, eh?

You have no idea how children work, do you?

[Lancaster of Wessex]

So you're trying to dodge having to defend your flimsy argument? OK.

I'm outnumbered. Check your privilege. And don't do Ad Hominem, you're trying to attack my arguments, not my integrity.

Outnumbered has nothing to do with the quality of your argument.

You said it's inconvenient, myself and other(s) have called you out on it, asking how it's inconvenient. You've yet to prove how it is with any facts or documented evidence, and thus you have skipped answering.

[Threlizdun]

How the hell is it inconvenient? We are talking about lifting up a section of your shirt or removing a flap if you are wearing a maternity gown and cradling the baby against your breast as it suckles. The other option is making sure you always have formula on hand, mixing the formula, finding a heat source to warm the formula wherever you are, and then feeding the baby. It is longer, expensive, and can be done wrong which can prove to be potentially dangerous to your baby. Women evolved breasts to feed their infants with them. They were selected specifically for that purpose.

Always??? So women constantly run around in the streets, with no place to breastfeed, eh?

No, because women can breastfeed. Did you not even bother reading what I posted? You are suggesting that formula is more efficient. If you are to use formula, you always will need to have it on hand, and then go through the process of preparing it while you have a crying baby on your hands. This is opposed to lifting up your shirt and providing the milk that a healthy mother will readily have available.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I'm outnumbered. Check your privilege. And don't do Ad Hominem, you're trying to attack my arguments, not my integrity.

Outnumbered has nothing to do with the quality of your argument.

You said it's inconvenient, myself and other(s) have called you out on it, asking how it's inconvenient. You've yet to prove how it is with any facts or documented evidence, and thus you have skipped answering.

So logic is not allowed here?

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Always??? So women constantly run around in the streets, with no place to breastfeed, eh?

No, because women can breastfeed. Did you not even bother reading what I posted? You are suggesting that formula is more efficient. If you are to use formula, you always will need to have it on hand, and then go through the process of preparing it while you have a crying baby on your hands. This is opposed to lifting up your shirt and providing the milk that a healthy mother will readily have available.

I didn't say I wanted to force everyone to use formula......

[Stormwind-City]

Outnumbered has nothing to do with the quality of your argument.

You said it's inconvenient, myself and other(s) have called you out on it, asking how it's inconvenient. You've yet to prove how it is with any facts or documented evidence, and thus you have skipped answering.

So logic is not allowed here?

Logic would dictate that using the things expressly made for it is more convenient.

[The Alexanderians]

No one is assuming everyone would want to go topless, just like not all men go topless now. It is about allowing them to should they choose, as there is no harm in allowing them to do so.

I agree with that point, but I don't think we need to remove all restrictions. I don't support anarchy.

I would imagine the learning period would be longer in that case. If it were happening everywhere all the time the shock would be immense but it would also be immediate. Where as with say 1 in 100 (arbitrary I know but for the sake of argument) people would be uncomfortable and they would still be asked to cover up by people either not in full understanding of the law or people who would otherwise abuse the potential of said ignorance.

[Threlizdun]

No one is assuming everyone would want to go topless, just like not all men go topless now. It is about allowing them to should they choose, as there is no harm in allowing them to do so.

I agree with that point, but I don't think we need to remove all restrictions. I don't support anarchy.

Toplessness = anarchy now?
Who knew? I always thought it had something to do with abolition of social hierarchies, but apparently it's about breasts.

[Lantrus]

The current sexual attitude on breasts in western culture suggest that it probably isn't a good thing for women to be allowed to be topless in public where men can.
Personally, I don't care.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I agree with that point, but I don't think we need to remove all restrictions. I don't support anarchy.

I would imagine the learning period would be longer in that case. If it were happening everywhere all the time the shock would be immense but it would also be immediate. Where as with say 1 in 100 (arbitrary I know but for the sake of argument) people would be uncomfortable and they would still be asked to cover up by people either not in full understanding of the law or people who would otherwise abuse the potential of said ignorance.

Ah yes.... as the bloodless German economists say: The greater the pain, the faster the healing.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Outnumbered has nothing to do with the quality of your argument.

You said it's inconvenient, myself and other(s) have called you out on it, asking how it's inconvenient. You've yet to prove how it is with any facts or documented evidence, and thus you have skipped answering.

So logic is not allowed here?

Logic is allowed. However, your statement that it is more inconvenient is patently illogical.

As someone demonstrated, formula = needing bottles, heat source, mixing, preparation work, carrying items in a bag.
Breastfeeding = lifting shirt, suckling, nursing cloth.

Which is logically more convenient?

I believe that's checkmate.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I agree with that point, but I don't think we need to remove all restrictions. I don't support anarchy.

Toplessness = anarchy now?
Who knew? I always thought it had something to do with abolition of social hierarchies, but apparently it's about breasts.

Everything here is about breasts, mate!

WE ARE HAVING A DEBATE ON LOOKING AT BOOBS WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE

[Stormwind-City]

The current sexual attitude on breasts in western culture suggest that it probably isn't a good thing for women to be allowed to be topless in public where men can.
Personally, I don't care.

For me at least, breasts are not sexual unless the situation is.