Saudi Arabia intervenes in Yemen

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

People like you are the reason why we can't have nice things.

Are people like you, who support extremists such as Hizbullah, the Houthis, Novorossia and Bashar any better?

Both of you knock it off. Attack the argument, not the poster.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

You're kidding me right?
Please, go study the two armies and come back to me afterwards.

No, I have looked at the facts, and I can tell you that is bullshit.

Royal Saudi Air Force

-Largest Force on the Gulf
-3rd Largest F-15 operator in the world
-Maintains four of the 7 types used by NATO nations (on the same if not better upgrade block)
-Buying KC-130Js, allowing for deep strike into Iran
-Experienced and Well-trained Pilots and a large pilot corps

Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force

-Hasn't acquirred a new aircraft in 20 years
-No tanker capability
-F-5, Su-24, F-7, and F-14 fleet suffering from disrepair
-Is unable to acquire new aircraft in case of accidents or combat losses
-Average Iranian pilot gets half the flying hours a Saudi equal would and the Iranian pilot corps in the half the size of its Saudi equal

Royal Saudi Navy

-Extensive Littoral Capability
-Mk.41 VLS
-Modern Ships from the US and France
-British Mine Hunters
-Extensive ASW

Islamic Republic of Iran Navy

-Smaller Surface Fleet
-Suffers with aging equipment
-Relies on Missile Boats and Missiles, something Saudi has extensively countered.

Please don't make me go further how Iran's force is broken and could get beaten around the Gulf by the Saudis (and this is excluding the other gulf states that would intervene on Saudi's side).

So, a bad comparison of air and naval forces sums up your conclusion?
Once more, study the two armies.

[Organized States]

No, I have looked at the facts, and I can tell you that is bullshit.

Royal Saudi Air Force

-Largest Force on the Gulf
-3rd Largest F-15 operator in the world
-Maintains four of the 7 types used by NATO nations (on the same if not better upgrade block)
-Buying KC-130Js, allowing for deep strike into Iran
-Experienced and Well-trained Pilots and a large pilot corps

Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force

-Hasn't acquirred a new aircraft in 20 years
-No tanker capability
-F-5, Su-24, F-7, and F-14 fleet suffering from disrepair
-Is unable to acquire new aircraft in case of accidents or combat losses
-Average Iranian pilot gets half the flying hours a Saudi equal would and the Iranian pilot corps in the half the size of its Saudi equal

Royal Saudi Navy

-Extensive Littoral Capability
-Mk.41 VLS
-Modern Ships from the US and France
-British Mine Hunters
-Extensive ASW

Islamic Republic of Iran Navy

-Smaller Surface Fleet
-Suffers with aging equipment
-Relies on Missile Boats and Missiles, something Saudi has extensively countered.

Please don't make me go further how Iran's force is broken and could get beaten around the Gulf by the Saudis (and this is excluding the other gulf states that would intervene on Saudi's side).

So, a bad comparison of air and naval forces sums up your conclusion?
Once more, study the two armies.

Oh, so basically desite the fact that I've been doing that for YEARS and own an extensive library on the topic, I must need to "study" the Armed Forces of the Middle Eastern Powers for a theoretical conflict that would end up largely one-sided on the part of the Saudis.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can say what I need to.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

So, a bad comparison of air and naval forces sums up your conclusion?
Once more, study the two armies.

Oh, so basically desite the fact that I've been doing that for YEARS and own an extensive library on the topic, I must need to "study" the Armed Forces of the Middle Eastern Powers for a theoretical conflict that would end up largely one-sided on the part of the Saudis.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can say what I need to.

If you have been doing it for years then you have been doing it pretty wrong. For example you completely ignore Iran's overpowered missile strenght compared to the Saudi's. Iran could basicly bomb them back to the stonage before Saudi-Arabia could lift a finger at it. Aside from that, ever thought about experience, strategies ect.? Ever included modernizations? Doesn't look like you did. Anyhow, if you want to believe in your "years" long "study" then you do that, keep believing in your fantasies.

[Organized States]

Oh, so basically desite the fact that I've been doing that for YEARS and own an extensive library on the topic, I must need to "study" the Armed Forces of the Middle Eastern Powers for a theoretical conflict that would end up largely one-sided on the part of the Saudis.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can say what I need to.

If you have been doing it for years then you have been doing it pretty wrong. For example you completely ignore Iran's overpowered missile strenght compared to the Saudi's. Iran could basicly bomb them back to the stonage before Saudi-Arabia coudl lift a finger at it. Aside from that, ever thought about experience, strategies ect.? Doesn't look like you did. Anyhow, if you want to believe in your "years" long "study" then you do that, keep believing in your fantasies.

But yet you've ignored the Saudis' strength in Counter Ballastic Missile and Surface to Air Missile programs on top of the fact that the Saudis have amassed the second largest stock-pile of DF-21 ballastic missiles (the famous DF-21D in particular) in the world behind the Chinese along with having invested in American missile defense programs like the Patriot and you've ignored the fact that the Saudis were built for a conflict with Iran. The RSAF also maintains a shitton of HARMs and SOMs that would be extremely useful in counter-attacking the Iranian missile batteries along with AWACS and Tanker assets (on top of whatever US Logistical Support they'd recieve from the USAF). This is also ignoring the fact that the Saudis have some of the best hardening measures behind the US and the Israelis when it comes to hanger, logistical, and support facilities. This is on top of the increasing cyber-warfare capabilities of the RSAF (that it's developing with the US' Cybercommand and National Security Agency).

Futhermore, I raise you the fact that the Saudis aren't the only ones with a bone to pick with Iran in case of a Middle Eastern war. The recent creation of an Arab League Military command soldifies the fact that the Saudis and their Gulf and Egyptian allies still run the Middle East. And we can easily assume that the also formidable forces of the Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis, Qataris, and Emiratis would be behind the Saudis. This combined force would not only be larger than Iran's armed forces, but also significantly better equipped. This is also barring the inevitable US and Western intervention and support for this Coalition, which once again, would dwarf the Iranians. And I bet you totally forgot about the "Unholy Alliance" between Israel and Saudi Arabia (both of whom veheminately oppose the Iranians). Though it's not public, Israeli-Saudi Arabian relations are at an all-time high. And could potentially lead to Israeli Military aid to the Saudi Arabians (more than likely in the development of counter-missile systems, due to the US not selling Aegis to them).

It'd be Gulf War I all over again, just even more one-sided than before.

[Laanvia]

In my opinion, this is what we should do in Yemen.
It will never work, but in an ideal world, it would.

1. Saudi Arabia and its allies launch a Ground invasion to counter the Houthi government.
2. (Hopefully) Defeat the Houthis
3. Saudi Arabia occupies the nation
4. Hadi is appointed as an interim president.
5. Organised Elections with Secular candidates.
6. A new President is elected by the people of Yemen
7.Keep providing Financial, Lethal and Humanitarian aid to the new government to counter AQAP, Houthis and any other insurgent/rebel/extremist group.

Let me say again that this probably wouldn't happen. It is just what hopefully happen in an ideal world.

Feel free to pick out what is right and wrong about my "Saving Yemen Handbook".

[Costa Fierro]

There's no guarantee that Hadi won't just revert back to the old authoritarianism that Saleh implemented and was booted out of office for.

[Alsheb]

In my opinion, this is what we should do in Yemen.
It will never work, but in an ideal world, it would.

1. Saudi Arabia and its allies launch a Ground invasion to counter the Houthi government.
2. (Hopefully) Defeat the Houthis
3. Saudi Arabia occupies the nation
4. Hadi is appointed as an interim president.
5. Organised Elections with Secular candidates.
6. A new President is elected by the people of Yemen
7.Keep providing Financial, Lethal and Humanitarian aid to the new government to counter AQAP, Houthis and any other insurgent/rebel/extremist group.

Let me say again that this probably wouldn't happen. It is just what hopefully happen in an ideal world.

Feel free to pick out what is right and wrong about my "Saving Yemen Handbook".

The Saudis would never accept a secular Yemen. If anything, their only issue with Hadi would be that he wasn't takfiri enough, and didn't discriminate enough against the Shia population.

If Hadi were to return, he'd just revert to his old takfiri and tyrannical ways.

[Laanvia]

In my opinion, this is what we should do in Yemen.
It will never work, but in an ideal world, it would.

1. Saudi Arabia and its allies launch a Ground invasion to counter the Houthi government.
2. (Hopefully) Defeat the Houthis
3. Saudi Arabia occupies the nation
4. Hadi is appointed as an interim president.
5. Organised Elections with Secular candidates.
6. A new President is elected by the people of Yemen
7.Keep providing Financial, Lethal and Humanitarian aid to the new government to counter AQAP, Houthis and any other insurgent/rebel/extremist group.

Let me say again that this probably wouldn't happen. It is just what hopefully happen in an ideal world.

Feel free to pick out what is right and wrong about my "Saving Yemen Handbook".

The Saudis would never accept a secular Yemen. If anything, their only issue with Hadi would be that he wasn't takfiri enough, and didn't discriminate enough against the Shia population.

If Hadi were to return, he'd just revert to his old takfiri and tyrannical ways.

Frankly, I agree with you. The Saudis will (obviously) want a Sunni state.

In an idea world, a new President of Yemen would be Secular and have an army not based on Religious Ideologies to stop discrimination against certain minorities.

[Asigna]

The Saudis would never accept a secular Yemen. If anything, their only issue with Hadi would be that he wasn't takfiri enough, and didn't discriminate enough against the Shia population.

If Hadi were to return, he'd just revert to his old takfiri and tyrannical ways.

Frankly, I agree with you. The Saudis will (obviously) want a Sunni state.

In an idea world, a new President of Yemen would be Secular and have an army not based on Religious Ideologies to stop discrimination against certain minorities.

Never trust an authoritarian regime's interests. The essence of their interests are often, if not, always, insidious and self serving.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

If you have been doing it for years then you have been doing it pretty wrong. For example you completely ignore Iran's overpowered missile strenght compared to the Saudi's. Iran could basicly bomb them back to the stonage before Saudi-Arabia coudl lift a finger at it. Aside from that, ever thought about experience, strategies ect.? Doesn't look like you did. Anyhow, if you want to believe in your "years" long "study" then you do that, keep believing in your fantasies.

But yet you've ignored the Saudis' strength in Counter Ballastic Missile and Surface to Air Missile programs on top of the fact that the Saudis have amassed the second largest stock-pile of DF-21 ballastic missiles (the famous DF-21D in particular) in the world behind the Chinese along with having invested in American missile defense programs like the Patriot and you've ignored the fact that the Saudis were built for a conflict with Iran. The RSAF also maintains a shitton of HARMs and SOMs that would be extremely useful in counter-attacking the Iranian missile batteries along with AWACS and Tanker assets (on top of whatever US Logistical Support they'd recieve from the USAF). This is also ignoring the fact that the Saudis have some of the best hardening measures behind the US and the Israelis when it comes to hanger, logistical, and support facilities. This is on top of the increasing cyber-warfare capabilities of the RSAF (that it's developing with the US' Cybercommand and National Security Agency).

Futhermore, I raise you the fact that the Saudis aren't the only ones with a bone to pick with Iran in case of a Middle Eastern war. The recent creation of an Arab League Military command soldifies the fact that the Saudis and their Gulf and Egyptian allies still run the Middle East. And we can easily assume that the also formidable forces of the Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis, Qataris, and Emiratis would be behind the Saudis. This combined force would not only be larger than Iran's armed forces, but also significantly better equipped. This is also barring the inevitable US and Western intervention and support for this Coalition, which once again, would dwarf the Iranians. And I bet you totally forgot about the "Unholy Alliance" between Israel and Saudi Arabia (both of whom veheminately oppose the Iranians). Though it's not public, Israeli-Saudi Arabian relations are at an all-time high. And could potentially lead to Israeli Military aid to the Saudi Arabians (more than likely in the development of counter-missile systems, due to the US not selling Aegis to them).

It'd be Gulf War I all over again, just even more one-sided than before.

What did you not understand about the 1 vs 1 ? You know, a war without allies and such.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

In my opinion, this is what we should do in Yemen.
It will never work, but in an ideal world, it would.

1. Saudi Arabia and its allies launch a Ground invasion to counter the Houthi government.
2. (Hopefully) Defeat the Houthis
3. Saudi Arabia occupies the nation
4. Hadi is appointed as an interim president.
5. Organised Elections with Secular candidates.
6. A new President is elected by the people of Yemen
7.Keep providing Financial, Lethal and Humanitarian aid to the new government to counter AQAP, Houthis and any other insurgent/rebel/extremist group.

Let me say again that this probably wouldn't happen. It is just what hopefully happen in an ideal world.

Feel free to pick out what is right and wrong about my "Saving Yemen Handbook".

So, looking at your points, you suggest there should be deaths all over yemen for no reason at all.

[Teemant]

But yet you've ignored the Saudis' strength in Counter Ballastic Missile and Surface to Air Missile programs on top of the fact that the Saudis have amassed the second largest stock-pile of DF-21 ballastic missiles (the famous DF-21D in particular) in the world behind the Chinese along with having invested in American missile defense programs like the Patriot and you've ignored the fact that the Saudis were built for a conflict with Iran. The RSAF also maintains a shitton of HARMs and SOMs that would be extremely useful in counter-attacking the Iranian missile batteries along with AWACS and Tanker assets (on top of whatever US Logistical Support they'd recieve from the USAF). This is also ignoring the fact that the Saudis have some of the best hardening measures behind the US and the Israelis when it comes to hanger, logistical, and support facilities. This is on top of the increasing cyber-warfare capabilities of the RSAF (that it's developing with the US' Cybercommand and National Security Agency).

Futhermore, I raise you the fact that the Saudis aren't the only ones with a bone to pick with Iran in case of a Middle Eastern war. The recent creation of an Arab League Military command soldifies the fact that the Saudis and their Gulf and Egyptian allies still run the Middle East. And we can easily assume that the also formidable forces of the Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis, Qataris, and Emiratis would be behind the Saudis. This combined force would not only be larger than Iran's armed forces, but also significantly better equipped. This is also barring the inevitable US and Western intervention and support for this Coalition, which once again, would dwarf the Iranians. And I bet you totally forgot about the "Unholy Alliance" between Israel and Saudi Arabia (both of whom veheminately oppose the Iranians). Though it's not public, Israeli-Saudi Arabian relations are at an all-time high. And could potentially lead to Israeli Military aid to the Saudi Arabians (more than likely in the development of counter-missile systems, due to the US not selling Aegis to them).

It'd be Gulf War I all over again, just even more one-sided than before.

What did you not understand about the 1 vs 1 ? You know, a war without allies and such.

Saudi Arabia can handle Iran 1 vs 1 but he mentioned that it wouldn't be 1 vs 1 anyways. With each year passing Saudi Arabia gains bigger advantage over Iran. 80 billion > 10 billion dollars.

[Laanvia]

In my opinion, this is what we should do in Yemen.
It will never work, but in an ideal world, it would.

1. Saudi Arabia and its allies launch a Ground invasion to counter the Houthi government.
2. (Hopefully) Defeat the Houthis
3. Saudi Arabia occupies the nation
4. Hadi is appointed as an interim president.
5. Organised Elections with Secular candidates.
6. A new President is elected by the people of Yemen
7.Keep providing Financial, Lethal and Humanitarian aid to the new government to counter AQAP, Houthis and any other insurgent/rebel/extremist group.

Let me say again that this probably wouldn't happen. It is just what hopefully happen in an ideal world.

Feel free to pick out what is right and wrong about my "Saving Yemen Handbook".

So, looking at your points, you suggest there should be deaths all over yemen for no reason at all.

If you mean Houthi and al-Qa'ida scum, then yes. Well done for figuring that out. There tends to be deaths in a ground invasion
Did you think the Houthis were just going to surrender without a fight?

[Alsheb]

So, looking at your points, you suggest there should be deaths all over yemen for no reason at all.

If you mean Houthi and al-Qa'ida scum, then yes. Well done for figuring that out. There tends to be deaths in a ground invasion
Did you think the Houthis were just going to surrender without a fight?

And you have nothing to say about the fact that it will be for no good reason at all? You want to kill the Houthis, for what reason exactly? I mean, aside from the fact that they are Shia?

[Laanvia]

If you mean Houthi and al-Qa'ida scum, then yes. Well done for figuring that out. There tends to be deaths in a ground invasion
Did you think the Houthis were just going to surrender without a fight?

And you have nothing to say about the fact that it will be for no good reason at all? You want to kill the Houthis, for what reason exactly? I mean, aside from the fact that they are Shia?

You keep saying that I want all its members dead solely based on their religion. Which I don't.

I want them dead because they support, Bashar (A Dictator and Human Rights abuser), Hizbullah (Textbook terrorists), and Iran (an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror). I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't oppressive: they are. I'm just saying I support their decision to invade.

[Myrensis]

And you have nothing to say about the fact that it will be for no good reason at all? You want to kill the Houthis, for what reason exactly? I mean, aside from the fact that they are Shia?

You keep saying that I want all its members dead solely based on their religion. Which I don't.

I want them dead because they support, Bashar (A Dictator and Human Rights abuser), Hizbullah (Textbook terrorists), and Iran (an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror). I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't oppressive: they are. I'm just saying I support their decision to invade.

lel. Saudi Arabia is an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror...but at least they're an oppressive regime and sponsor of the right sect of the right religion of the right terrorists who want to kill the right people, so they're okay in my book!

[British Home Counties]

Kick out their politicians and set up a new constitution based on the Bible and allow a new monastic state to be formed. This is the only way for Yemen to repent and go in the right direction.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

What did you not understand about the 1 vs 1 ? You know, a war without allies and such.

Saudi Arabia can handle Iran 1 vs 1 but he mentioned that it wouldn't be 1 vs 1 anyways. With each year passing Saudi Arabia gains bigger advantage over Iran. 80 billion > 10 billion dollars.

cause money wins wars *nods*

So, looking at your points, you suggest there should be deaths all over yemen for no reason at all.

If you mean Houthi and al-Qa'ida scum, then yes. Well done for figuring that out. There tends to be deaths in a ground invasion
Did you think the Houthis were just going to surrender without a fight?

You do know that if you want a peacefull Yemen then you need to cooperate with the tribes right? You also know that Yemen will never become a stable country when foreign nations like Saudi-Arabia meddle in their affairs right?

And you have nothing to say about the fact that it will be for no good reason at all? You want to kill the Houthis, for what reason exactly? I mean, aside from the fact that they are Shia?

You keep saying that I want all its members dead solely based on their religion. Which I don't.

I want them dead because they support, Bashar (A Dictator and Human Rights abuser), Hizbullah (Textbook terrorists), and Iran (an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror). I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't oppressive: they are. I'm just saying I support their decision to invade.

So you support an opressive regime to get rid of a local tribe in a country that supports less opressive regimes and militia's abroad all the while this regime we're talking about supports groups like IS and Al-Qaeda and only wants a puppet regime to stay in power instead of supporting the people's will in a country? I really don't get it, but Alsheb is probably right, i guess you're just too afraid to say that you hate shia's.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Kick out their politicians and set up a new constitution based on the Bible and allow a new monastic state to be formed. This is the only way for Yemen to repent and go in the right direction.

Yeah, lets not do that.

[Cyllea]

And you have nothing to say about the fact that it will be for no good reason at all? You want to kill the Houthis, for what reason exactly? I mean, aside from the fact that they are Shia?

You keep saying that I want all its members dead solely based on their religion. Which I don't.

I want them dead because they support, Bashar (A Dictator and Human Rights abuser), Hizbullah (Textbook terrorists), and Iran (an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror). I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't oppressive: they are. I'm just saying I support their decision to invade.

Saudi Arabia, Sudan and the UAE are just as bad if not worse than Syria and Iran. AFAIK, there are no credible ties between Hezbollah and the Houthis, or even between Syria and the Houthis; the only reason they have ties with Iran is because they're both Shia, not because they have the same system of governance.

[Cyllea]

Kick out their politicians and set up a new constitution based on the Bible and allow a new monastic state to be formed. This is the only way for Yemen to repent and go in the right direction.

... Are.. Are you serious? This has to be a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i ... minorities

"There are 3,000 Christians throughout the country, most of whom are refugees or temporary foreign residents."


.. So, you wanna put 3,000 christian minorities, most of which are refugees or foreigners, in charge of a country that is 99% islamic? You dont see any reason why this might end badly?

[The South Polish Union]

And you have nothing to say about the fact that it will be for no good reason at all? You want to kill the Houthis, for what reason exactly? I mean, aside from the fact that they are Shia?

You keep saying that I want all its members dead solely based on their religion. Which I don't.

I want them dead because they support, Bashar (A Dictator and Human Rights abuser), Hizbullah (Textbook terrorists), and Iran (an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror). I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't oppressive: they are. I'm just saying I support their decision to invade.

i think saudi arabia sponsors more and more dangerous terrorist groups than iran does. just sayin...

Kick out their politicians and set up a new constitution based on the Bible and allow a new monastic state to be formed. This is the only way for Yemen to repent and go in the right direction.

Yeah, lets not do that.

Kick out their politicians and set up a new constitution based on the Bible and allow a new monastic state to be formed. This is the only way for Yemen to repent and go in the right direction.

... Are.. Are you serious? This has to be a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i ... minorities

"There are 3,000 Christians throughout the country, most of whom are refugees or temporary foreign residents."


.. So, you wanna put 3,000 christian minorities, most of which are refugees or foreigners, in charge of a country that is 99% islamic? You dont see any reason why this might end badly?

yemen is christian clay!

[Alsheb]

You keep saying that I want all its members dead solely based on their religion. Which I don't.

I want them dead because they support, Bashar (A Dictator and Human Rights abuser), Hizbullah (Textbook terrorists), and Iran (an oppressive regime and sponsor of Terror). I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't oppressive: they are. I'm just saying I support their decision to invade.

Saudi Arabia, Sudan and the UAE are just as bad if not worse than Syria and Iran. AFAIK, there are no credible ties between Hezbollah and the Houthis, or even between Syria and the Houthis; the only reason they have ties with Iran is because they're both Shia, not because they have the same system of governance.

The Houthi "ties" to Iran are limited to mutual sympathy for one another, it's little more than that. Also, with a highly oppressive and racist regime that has ties with Saudi Arabia, it's not really surprising the Houthis would turn to Iran.

[Kubra]

and on what grounds do you suppose the houthi's to be progressive?

According to this, apparently they claim themselves to be "liberal" and do not wish to implement the same kind of religious system as can be found in Iran.

when discussing popular movements never trust the clean cut guy in a suit case in point

As soon as an efficient government is in place, however, that imposes its presence in all governorates, Ansar Allah will be among the first to hand over its weapons. Once we see the presence of security forces in the capital, Ansar Allah will withdraw.

it doesn't matter who it is or what they fight for, if they say this they are lying straight to your face.
Militants don't disarm. This isn't a moral judgement, disarming is one of the most dangerous things militant groups can do, if you ever join one I recommend staying armed to the teeth no matter what, but nonetheless, this is the exact sort of whitewashing expected of a clean cut guy in a suit.
Revolution, national independence, sectarian war, whatever, it's all dirty business that's fought dirtily. It ain't no dinner party.

Their work in establishing people's committees, ensure fair prices for basic commodities and opposition to imperialism is by itself a step forward. They may not be left-wing as such, but they are the more progressive option in present-day Yemen. I think it would be fair to call the Houthis the main force of the national-democratic revolution in the country.

opposition to imperialism is a result progressivism, progressivism is not a result of opposition to imperialism.

>people's committee's
Lenin wrote against the form of Soviet present between the February and October revolutions, and for a very good reason: it wasn't dictatorship of the proletariat. Counter-revolutionary and reactionary politics were able to exist and flourish under the system of free soviets.
Same concept, really. You can get a bunch of people into a committee, but that's not to say anything good will come of it. Content over form, bro.

I mean, what I'm saying shouldn't be mistaken for moral judgement, waging sectarian war on someone waging sectarian war on you (the wahhabists) is simply a no-brainer. Tell someone "I'm killing you because you're shia" and hell yeah who wouldn't get behind their religious identity I'd suicide bomb any wahhabist motherfucker in that situation, and the houthi's are a pretty great example of an oppressed regional sect. all I'm saying is that war and poverty aren't good grounds for progressive politics. The houthi's got the same old slogans, names, and all the other dressings of a religious movement. These are the same folks who back in the 60's were getting off killing pan-arab modernists with support from the the Saudi's and the rest of the western world.