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Postby Organized States » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:02 pm

The balkens wrote:
Organized States wrote:With what? Their few Tomcats and F-5s are barely operational. They'd be raped by the RSAF if they ever try anything, even with cruise missiles or the likes.


I wouldnt be surprised if the Russians gave them some new toys and decided not to tell anyone. They got Frogfoots, dont they?

IIRC, those were all from the Iraqi defectors in 1991 and 2003.

I don't think that the Russians much well trust the Iranians (as they're a competitor in the Oil Market), but it's possible. I would suspect the Chinese first though. Iran was in negotiations some time ago to buy J-10s and JF-17s, but I don't know if that'll go through with Pakistan's joining of the Coalition.
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I wouldnt be surprised if the Russians gave them some new toys and decided not to tell anyone. They got Frogfoots, dont they?

IIRC, those were all from the Iraqi defectors in 1991 and 2003.

I don't think that the Russians much well trust the Iranians (as they're a competitor in the Oil Market), but it's possible. I would suspect the Chinese first though. Iran was in negotiations some time ago to buy J-10s and JF-17s, but I don't know if that'll go through with Pakistan's joining of the Coalition.


J-10s? Fantans or whatstheirfuck?

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Postby Organized States » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:33 pm

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Organized States wrote:IIRC, those were all from the Iraqi defectors in 1991 and 2003.

I don't think that the Russians much well trust the Iranians (as they're a competitor in the Oil Market), but it's possible. I would suspect the Chinese first though. Iran was in negotiations some time ago to buy J-10s and JF-17s, but I don't know if that'll go through with Pakistan's joining of the Coalition.


J-10s? Fantans or whatstheirfuck?

Yeah, the Firebirds.

It's that copy of the Lavi they did.
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Postby The Greater Lebanon » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:09 pm

And you actually believe that Israel negotiates? As long as Netanyahu is in power there is zero room for any negotiation. And ofcourse it does, and you know why Hezbollah succeeds? Becouse they are the only ones standing up for Lebanon. You're pathetic government doesn't do jack shit about anything. It could have all modern arms for a cheap price if it wanted, yet it decided to kiss the asses of foreign powers. You constantly argue about Hezbollah being Iran's puppet, yet the rest of Lebanon, led by your government is nothing but a puppet of western powers.
I've been to Lebanon, i've talked several people there, and all i can say is that they would find you a disgusting person who would rather sell out their country to foreigners then to follow its own interests.
You call me a pro-iranian and Hezbollah westerner, yet these western powers are controlling Lebanon, and since you seem to support that, you may kiss my ass if you want to show that you're the real deal. Iran at least has the balls to persuade its interests and to stand up against foreign powers that desire it to become a mere puppet state, you and your dream government are the reason Lebanon is facing these problems today.


Hezbollah succeeds because they hold the Lebanese government hostage and they ahve an ally in Syria. I agree with you this government doesnt do anything, which is why I and others have called for a change in it. I'd rather be aligned to foreign powers like the United States and France whom i have much more in common with than a bunch imperialists like Iran and Hezbollah trying to dominate us. Lebanon flourished when we had good ties to western nations, as soon as the filth of the PLO entered our country and started this whole chain reaction the dirt of Pan-arabism and Islamic fundamentalism entered and ruined this country. The rest of our government is only hostage to Hezbollah. If it was puppets of the West there would already be heavily armed forces on behalf of the other side. But there isn't Hezbollah continues to assasinate anyone in its path, it called for the continuous syrian imperialist occupation of Lebanon, which makes the Israeli one look like ajoke. The Syrians executed hundreds of Lebanese officers who surrendered and kidnapped thousands more whose families to this day haven't seen them. Iran stands up for its own revolutionary ideology. There will come a day when imperialists Iran and their dogs in hezbollah will face justice for what they are trying to do. You live in the comfort of your own western nation whatever it may be and yet you talk about standing up to western nations. Have you been to Syria? Have you been to iran? It sure isn't the UK or the Netherlands. If you want to narrow it down to specifically Christians then we have been here even before for ages. Lebanon should be for the Lebanese and not for Iran or get destroyed on behalf of the Palestinians. Its pathetic this is coming from a guy like you. How can you have a decent conscience when you support a group that supports a dictator that is responsible for more deaths than osama bin laden. Absoloutley disgusting.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:17 pm

The Greater Lebanon wrote:
And you actually believe that Israel negotiates? As long as Netanyahu is in power there is zero room for any negotiation. And ofcourse it does, and you know why Hezbollah succeeds? Becouse they are the only ones standing up for Lebanon. You're pathetic government doesn't do jack shit about anything. It could have all modern arms for a cheap price if it wanted, yet it decided to kiss the asses of foreign powers. You constantly argue about Hezbollah being Iran's puppet, yet the rest of Lebanon, led by your government is nothing but a puppet of western powers.
I've been to Lebanon, i've talked several people there, and all i can say is that they would find you a disgusting person who would rather sell out their country to foreigners then to follow its own interests.
You call me a pro-iranian and Hezbollah westerner, yet these western powers are controlling Lebanon, and since you seem to support that, you may kiss my ass if you want to show that you're the real deal. Iran at least has the balls to persuade its interests and to stand up against foreign powers that desire it to become a mere puppet state, you and your dream government are the reason Lebanon is facing these problems today.


Hezbollah succeeds because they hold the Lebanese government hostage and they ahve an ally in Syria. I agree with you this government doesnt do anything, which is why I and others have called for a change in it. I'd rather be aligned to foreign powers like the United States and France whom i have much more in common with than a bunch imperialists like Iran and Hezbollah trying to dominate us. Lebanon flourished when we had good ties to western nations, as soon as the filth of the PLO entered our country and started this whole chain reaction the dirt of Pan-arabism and Islamic fundamentalism entered and ruined this country. The rest of our government is only hostage to Hezbollah. If it was puppets of the West there would already be heavily armed forces on behalf of the other side. But there isn't Hezbollah continues to assasinate anyone in its path, it called for the continuous syrian imperialist occupation of Lebanon, which makes the Israeli one look like ajoke. The Syrians executed hundreds of Lebanese officers who surrendered and kidnapped thousands more whose families to this day haven't seen them. Iran stands up for its own revolutionary ideology. There will come a day when imperialists Iran and their dogs in hezbollah will face justice for what they are trying to do. You live in the comfort of your own western nation whatever it may be and yet you talk about standing up to western nations. Have you been to Syria? Have you been to iran? It sure isn't the UK or the Netherlands. If you want to narrow it down to specifically Christians then we have been here even before for ages. Lebanon should be for the Lebanese and not for Iran or get destroyed on behalf of the Palestinians. Its pathetic this is coming from a guy like you. How can you have a decent conscience when you support a group that supports a dictator that is responsible for more deaths than osama bin laden. Absoloutley disgusting.
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Postby GraySoap » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:34 pm

S[weed]en provided logistical support to Nazi Germany during their intervention in Russia. By the transitive property, Sweden (PBH) was at war in Russia in 1941.

Such a clickbait title. Correctly say "the US is part of the coalition". But, by no realistic definition of war, is America (yet) at war in Yemen.
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Postby Alsheb » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:17 pm

Organized States wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.


There's a difference between conducting succesful airstrikes and "steamrolling" an entire country. The Saudis are hated by pretty much anyone in Yemen right now, including many of the Sunnis. Even the most extremist takfiri Sunnis in AQAP are very unlikely to be supportive of Saudi Arabia, since the Saudis are an American ally. So they would just be kicking a hornet's nest.
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Postby Alsheb » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:20 pm

GraySoap wrote:S[weed]en provided logistical support to Nazi Germany during their intervention in Russia. By the transitive property, Sweden (PBH) was at war in Russia in 1941.

Such a clickbait title. Correctly say "the US is part of the coalition". But, by no realistic definition of war, is America (yet) at war in Yemen.


If you aid one side in a conflict, you are de facto part of the conflict. The fact that the Swedes helped Nazi Germany is most of all a reason to hate the then Swedish government, rather than an example of how it is "not part of the war".
The US played that game as well in WWII when they had actually already joined the Allies in all but name, and issued a complete oil embargo against Japan, whilst officially still being "neutral". Suffice it to say, the attack on Pearl Harbour did have a justification.
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Postby Alsheb » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:23 pm

The Greater Lebanon wrote:
And you actually believe that Israel negotiates? As long as Netanyahu is in power there is zero room for any negotiation. And ofcourse it does, and you know why Hezbollah succeeds? Becouse they are the only ones standing up for Lebanon. You're pathetic government doesn't do jack shit about anything. It could have all modern arms for a cheap price if it wanted, yet it decided to kiss the asses of foreign powers. You constantly argue about Hezbollah being Iran's puppet, yet the rest of Lebanon, led by your government is nothing but a puppet of western powers.
I've been to Lebanon, i've talked several people there, and all i can say is that they would find you a disgusting person who would rather sell out their country to foreigners then to follow its own interests.
You call me a pro-iranian and Hezbollah westerner, yet these western powers are controlling Lebanon, and since you seem to support that, you may kiss my ass if you want to show that you're the real deal. Iran at least has the balls to persuade its interests and to stand up against foreign powers that desire it to become a mere puppet state, you and your dream government are the reason Lebanon is facing these problems today.


Hezbollah succeeds because they hold the Lebanese government hostage and they ahve an ally in Syria. I agree with you this government doesnt do anything, which is why I and others have called for a change in it. I'd rather be aligned to foreign powers like the United States and France whom i have much more in common with than a bunch imperialists like Iran and Hezbollah trying to dominate us. Lebanon flourished when we had good ties to western nations, as soon as the filth of the PLO entered our country and started this whole chain reaction the dirt of Pan-arabism and Islamic fundamentalism entered and ruined this country. The rest of our government is only hostage to Hezbollah. If it was puppets of the West there would already be heavily armed forces on behalf of the other side. But there isn't Hezbollah continues to assasinate anyone in its path, it called for the continuous syrian imperialist occupation of Lebanon, which makes the Israeli one look like ajoke. The Syrians executed hundreds of Lebanese officers who surrendered and kidnapped thousands more whose families to this day haven't seen them. Iran stands up for its own revolutionary ideology. There will come a day when imperialists Iran and their dogs in hezbollah will face justice for what they are trying to do. You live in the comfort of your own western nation whatever it may be and yet you talk about standing up to western nations. Have you been to Syria? Have you been to iran? It sure isn't the UK or the Netherlands. If you want to narrow it down to specifically Christians then we have been here even before for ages. Lebanon should be for the Lebanese and not for Iran or get destroyed on behalf of the Palestinians. Its pathetic this is coming from a guy like you. How can you have a decent conscience when you support a group that supports a dictator that is responsible for more deaths than osama bin laden. Absoloutley disgusting.


What's disgusting is that somebody like you is simply spreading complete nonsense in order to try and defend your own ultranationalist agenda. You would sacrifice the Palestinian people, and most of the non-Christian Lebanese as well if that would help you get your will of an even more Maronite dominated Lebanon.
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Postby Organized States » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:45 pm

Alsheb wrote:
Organized States wrote:Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.


There's a difference between conducting succesful airstrikes and "steamrolling" an entire country. The Saudis are hated by pretty much anyone in Yemen right now, including many of the Sunnis. Even the most extremist takfiri Sunnis in AQAP are very unlikely to be supportive of Saudi Arabia, since the Saudis are an American ally. So they would just be kicking a hornet's nest.

Considering Saudi Arabia is already considered an enemy of Al-Qaeda, it's not surprising. But, the Saudis can and will steam roll Yemen if they decide to launch a ground invasion. The US steamrolled Iraq in 2003 without any popular support in the country with the exception of the Kurds and the Shias. The Quite a few of the Sunnis (and the Ba'aths in particular) hated us with a passion. The Saudis and the Egyptians, if anyone, are the best prepared in the region for an operation like this.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:47 pm

Organized States wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
There's a difference between conducting succesful airstrikes and "steamrolling" an entire country. The Saudis are hated by pretty much anyone in Yemen right now, including many of the Sunnis. Even the most extremist takfiri Sunnis in AQAP are very unlikely to be supportive of Saudi Arabia, since the Saudis are an American ally. So they would just be kicking a hornet's nest.

Considering Saudi Arabia is already considered an enemy of Al-Qaeda, it's not surprising. But, the Saudis can and will steam roll Yemen if they decide to launch a ground invasion. The US steamrolled Iraq in 2003 without any popular support in the country with the exception of the Kurds and the Shias. The Quite a few of the Sunnis (and the Ba'aths in particular) hated us with a passion. The Saudis and the Egyptians, if anyone, are the best prepared in the region for an operation like this.


I mean, they aint gonna let that shit we gave just lay around and rot, right? Right?

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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:53 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:This won't do anything good for stability in the region.

Nothing short of western intervention will do anything for stability in the region.


Because Western intervention has such a long, impressive track record of creating stable nations out of the potpourri that is tribal/religious/ethnic/cultural politics in the Middle East.

Oh, wait...
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Organized States wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
There's a difference between conducting succesful airstrikes and "steamrolling" an entire country. The Saudis are hated by pretty much anyone in Yemen right now, including many of the Sunnis. Even the most extremist takfiri Sunnis in AQAP are very unlikely to be supportive of Saudi Arabia, since the Saudis are an American ally. So they would just be kicking a hornet's nest.

Considering Saudi Arabia is already considered an enemy of Al-Qaeda, it's not surprising. But, the Saudis can and will steam roll Yemen if they decide to launch a ground invasion. The US steamrolled Iraq in 2003 without any popular support in the country with the exception of the Kurds and the Shias. The Quite a few of the Sunnis (and the Ba'aths in particular) hated us with a passion. The Saudis and the Egyptians, if anyone, are the best prepared in the region for an operation like this.


The USA then spent 8 years on the ground, losing hundreds of troops each year and spending about $650bn (this is Iraq alone) to try to create stability there, before eventually declaring victory and pulling out, leaving the place to backslide rapidly into an undeclared civil war.

I'm not sure I'd call that victory...
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Postby Organized States » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:45 am

New Chalcedon wrote:
Organized States wrote:Considering Saudi Arabia is already considered an enemy of Al-Qaeda, it's not surprising. But, the Saudis can and will steam roll Yemen if they decide to launch a ground invasion. The US steamrolled Iraq in 2003 without any popular support in the country with the exception of the Kurds and the Shias. The Quite a few of the Sunnis (and the Ba'aths in particular) hated us with a passion. The Saudis and the Egyptians, if anyone, are the best prepared in the region for an operation like this.


The USA then spent 8 years on the ground, losing hundreds of troops each year and spending about $650bn (this is Iraq alone) to try to create stability there, before eventually declaring victory and pulling out, leaving the place to backslide rapidly into an undeclared civil war.

I'm not sure I'd call that victory...

I was referring to the orginal campaign in which Coalition blitz'd Iraq.
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Postby Teemant » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:16 am

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I think you are underestimating power of Saudi Arabia. They can steamroll Houthi rebels if they wish to do so. These air strikes have done what they are supposed to do - destory Houthi military equipment (especially anti-air equipment). They have destroyed air bases, missile bases and other kind of military bases that Houthis could use in addition to military equipment like cars, armored vehicles and tanks etc. They are weaking their enemies right now.


Do you actually believe that the Houthi's are so stupid to leave all equipment on their spot for such airstrikes to come and destroy it? Most of it is moved away already and honestly, if you believe that airstrikes will weaken the Houthis then i'd very much invite you to read upon the Houthis themselves.
Now aside from that, how do you imagine the Saudi's steamrolling Yemen? They have almost no local support as even alot of sunni's in Yemen agree with the Houthi's. Without that you basicly lost a war already. Then there's the fact that the Saudi military has zero experience on this field and its morale stands lower then the sealevel. Sure they will win eventually, but there's no way they can keep Yemen under control nor will they ever establish stability in Yemen as long as a puppet regime rules the nation. Then there's the fact that on a diplomatic level the Saudi's will get ruined, just as the US reputation got ruined after the Iraq war, which failed in every aspect, and just like that war i'd expect the very same to happen in Yemen. Eventually the Houthi's will be victorious, they are the ones that come on top stronger, both military as diplomaticly as they can proof all of Yemen that they where right about Yemen being controlled by corrupt foreign puppets.


I don't understand the part "leave all equipment on their spot for such airstrikes." They can move their military equipment but Saudi air force will still bomb it.
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Where is the Southern Movement? Why the hell those Southern communists wouldn't fight a religious Shia rebel group? This is what I hate.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:26 am

The New Byzantine wrote:Where is the Southern Movement? Why the hell those Southern communists wouldn't fight a religious Shia rebel group? This is what I hate.


The question is, how do they think they are going to survive when the Shias have Iranian support and the Sunnis have Saudi coalition support?
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Postby The New Byzantine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:30 am

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The New Byzantine wrote:Where is the Southern Movement? Why the hell those Southern communists wouldn't fight a religious Shia rebel group? This is what I hate.


The question is, how do they think they are going to survive when the Shias have Iranian support and the Sunnis have Saudi coalition support?

If only USSR still exist, the USSR would definitely help the Southern Movement but the Southern Movement are either weak or quiet because Al-Qaeda is around..Houthis..and government loyalists.
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Postby Alsheb » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:02 am

The New Byzantine wrote:Where is the Southern Movement? Why the hell those Southern communists wouldn't fight a religious Shia rebel group? This is what I hate.

Why the hell would the South Yemen Movement fight against the Houthis? If anything, they should join forces with them against the remnants of the Hadi regime and against the takfiris.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:09 am

I approve of this. Aren't they also fighting against loyalists (to the former ruler) ?
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:13 am

Organized States wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.


You don't steamroll into anything with an airforce nor will they make any real gains by it. Remember that the defender Always holds the better ground. I'd like to see them try steamrolling anything for that matter.

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Would Iran bite back though?

With what? Their few Tomcats and F-5s are barely operational. They'd be raped by the RSAF if they ever try anything, even with cruise missiles or the likes.


If a war between the Saudi's and Iran erupts, which is highly unlikely, Iran would win without a doubt, their military is simply way more capable in almost all fields then the Saudi military is. I believe you overestimate the Saudi forces.

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And you actually believe that Israel negotiates? As long as Netanyahu is in power there is zero room for any negotiation. And ofcourse it does, and you know why Hezbollah succeeds? Becouse they are the only ones standing up for Lebanon. You're pathetic government doesn't do jack shit about anything. It could have all modern arms for a cheap price if it wanted, yet it decided to kiss the asses of foreign powers. You constantly argue about Hezbollah being Iran's puppet, yet the rest of Lebanon, led by your government is nothing but a puppet of western powers.
I've been to Lebanon, i've talked several people there, and all i can say is that they would find you a disgusting person who would rather sell out their country to foreigners then to follow its own interests.
You call me a pro-iranian and Hezbollah westerner, yet these western powers are controlling Lebanon, and since you seem to support that, you may kiss my ass if you want to show that you're the real deal. Iran at least has the balls to persuade its interests and to stand up against foreign powers that desire it to become a mere puppet state, you and your dream government are the reason Lebanon is facing these problems today.


Hezbollah succeeds because they hold the Lebanese government hostage and they ahve an ally in Syria. I agree with you this government doesnt do anything, which is why I and others have called for a change in it. I'd rather be aligned to foreign powers like the United States and France whom i have much more in common with than a bunch imperialists like Iran and Hezbollah trying to dominate us. Lebanon flourished when we had good ties to western nations, as soon as the filth of the PLO entered our country and started this whole chain reaction the dirt of Pan-arabism and Islamic fundamentalism entered and ruined this country. The rest of our government is only hostage to Hezbollah. If it was puppets of the West there would already be heavily armed forces on behalf of the other side. But there isn't Hezbollah continues to assasinate anyone in its path, it called for the continuous syrian imperialist occupation of Lebanon, which makes the Israeli one look like ajoke. The Syrians executed hundreds of Lebanese officers who surrendered and kidnapped thousands more whose families to this day haven't seen them. Iran stands up for its own revolutionary ideology. There will come a day when imperialists Iran and their dogs in hezbollah will face justice for what they are trying to do. You live in the comfort of your own western nation whatever it may be and yet you talk about standing up to western nations. Have you been to Syria? Have you been to iran? It sure isn't the UK or the Netherlands. If you want to narrow it down to specifically Christians then we have been here even before for ages. Lebanon should be for the Lebanese and not for Iran or get destroyed on behalf of the Palestinians. Its pathetic this is coming from a guy like you. How can you have a decent conscience when you support a group that supports a dictator that is responsible for more deaths than osama bin laden. Absoloutley disgusting.


Get your head together boy, you start talking crap.
Anyhow, we're here to discuss Yemen, not Lebanon.

The New Byzantine wrote:Where is the Southern Movement? Why the hell those Southern communists wouldn't fight a religious Shia rebel group? This is what I hate.

If anything they would more or less cooperate with the Houthi's in this case. Aside from that, they are very active in the south.

Anyhow, why do all people seem to think this is a Sunni-Shia conflict? Sure for countries like Saudi-Arabia, the other "coalition" states and Iran this is, but for the Yemeni people it is not. Look at the cause of the conflict, it had nothing to do with the Sunni-Shia religions but more with a failing government. Then look at how many Sunni tribes joined the Houthi's in their struggle against this corrupt government. There's nothing religious about this conflict, only the Media and foreign powers want to turn it into that.
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Postby The New Byzantine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:29 am

Alsheb wrote:
The New Byzantine wrote:Where is the Southern Movement? Why the hell those Southern communists wouldn't fight a religious Shia rebel group? This is what I hate.

Why the hell would the South Yemen Movement fight against the Houthis? If anything, they should join forces with them against the remnants of the Hadi regime and against the takfiris.

Why the hell the South Yemen Movement join the fight with Houthis against the loyalists and takfiris? Aden is controlled by Houthis and Houthis is very active in the South which cause the silence of the movement and also the Houthis executed some South militants after the capture in Aden so do you think they'll join with the Houthis? Definitely not and also they have different goals and ideologies, the Houthis wants to establish their Shiite government right? They have an interest in the South while the South Yemen movement wants to restore communism in the Arabian Peninsula and wants independence against Yemen.
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Postby Alsheb » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:51 am

The New Byzantine wrote:
Alsheb wrote:Why the hell would the South Yemen Movement fight against the Houthis? If anything, they should join forces with them against the remnants of the Hadi regime and against the takfiris.

Why the hell the South Yemen Movement join the fight with Houthis against the loyalists and takfiris? Aden is controlled by Houthis and Houthis is very active in the South which cause the silence of the movement and also the Houthis executed some South militants after the capture in Aden so do you think they'll join with the Houthis? Definitely not and also they have different goals and ideologies, the Houthis wants to establish their Shiite government right? They have an interest in the South while the South Yemen movement wants to restore communism in the Arabian Peninsula and wants independence against Yemen.


The Houthis may be Shiite, yes, but their ideology is still generally progressive, and heavily anti-imperialist. I see no reason for a communist to not support that. Anyway, the South Yemen Movement is (unfortunately) no longer purely Communist, and not even all of it fights for complete independence anymore. Both the South Yemen Movement and the Houthis have engaged in democratisation of Yemen, bringing politics to the local level through the establishment of Popular Committees. While I agree that ideally South Yemen shoule be granted independence once more, fighting against the Houthis is not the way to achieve this.

The SYM has been fighting the Yemenite government, the takfiris and the pro-Saudi forces for around twenty years now. It would only make sense to join forces with the Houthis now since they share a common enemy. Plus, the main powerbase of the Houthis is in the North of the country, where the historical Zaidi Imamate was positioned as well. It'd be perfectly possible to achieve a Houthi-controlled North and an SYM-controlled South. That is, if outside forces could stop bombing the country to hell and let the Yemenites sort out their country.
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Postby Alsheb » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:58 am

http://www.aawsat.net/2014/12/article55 ... en-sources

Interesting article in Asharq al-Awsat from December about the possibility of a cooperation deal existing between the South Yemen Movement and the Houthis.
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