Saudi Arabia intervenes in Yemen

[Kubra]

Yeah, and being the main guerrilla force in town comes with perks. Once you don't have to worry about fighting sectarian wars with other little militias, you can develop, like Hezbollah did.
This ain't 1982 anymore, tho. The PLO were easy and identifiable targets (confined to their little ghettoes and with very few regional allies), while Hezbollah is a genuinely (like it or not) popular movement in South Lebanon. Israel ain't just gonna be rooting out militants, they gonna be a situation where they're the enemy of the population itself.

So your suggesting every group in Lebanon should have independent militaries? If Hezbollah can have a military then there should be a Christian 'Hezbollah" and a Sunni "hezbollah" but both cannot do that as Hezbollah would intervene. The PLO were not confined to only small areas. The PLO maintained a lot of areas including their proxy and allied militias and the Syrian army. Plus the Muslims in Lebanon were very supportive of the PLO and fought with them.They had a large presence in a great portion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is generally popular among Shia and some christians. The Christians who support Hezbollah do not support it out of pure love but rather they support the Christian politican who is backed by them because he is against the leader of the Lebanese Forces who killed many Christians. You remove both top treasonous Christian leaders in Lebanon, hezbollahs christian support would evaporate as a new better leader would emerge for Christians. Israels battle with Hezbollah will be difficult but the IDF in the end is just stronger if it reeally fought Hezbollah with large numbers and firepower.

Well, that's the way it was during the 1958 crisis and the Civil War. It was pretty horrible, but one didn't have to feign mourning when the other was on the receiving end an an artillery barrage. And let's face it: as a Maronite, you've got a direct interest in Hezbollah getting hit. Like, don't take that negatively, there's really nothing wrong that. I ain't no pro-israel sort of guy, but a lot of people tend to forget that without em in the region there's a few minority groups that might get massacred as a result.
sry bro the Syrian army shot up more Palestinians than the Maronites. the PLO was the biggest game in town before the Syrian intervention, by 1982 there was little military power to speak of with the PLO. The Syrians had fought it out of them. idk how you can say that syria was with the Palestinians (even though it's known they maintained proxies inside the organization) when Syria is one of the biggest reasons they lost in Lebanon.
It really doesn't matter of Hezbollah's christian support went away. It's a shia group in the first place, and there's a hell of a lot more shia's in Lebanon than Maronites.
You'd have to give Israel a hell of a good reason to invade in force these days. They only did it in 1982 cuz the PLO were a nice squishy target (and they changed their tune pretty quickly when the suicide bombings started).

So your suggesting every group in Lebanon should have independent militaries? If Hezbollah can have a military then there should be a Christian 'Hezbollah" and a Sunni "hezbollah" but both cannot do that as Hezbollah would intervene. The PLO were not confined to only small areas. The PLO maintained a lot of areas including their proxy and allied militias and the Syrian army. Plus the Muslims in Lebanon were very supportive of the PLO and fought with them.They had a large presence in a great portion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is generally popular among Shia and some christians. The Christians who support Hezbollah do not support it out of pure love but rather they support the Christian politican who is backed by them because he is against the leader of the Lebanese Forces who killed many Christians. You remove both top treasonous Christian leaders in Lebanon, hezbollahs christian support would evaporate as a new better leader would emerge for Christians. Israels battle with Hezbollah will be difficult but the IDF in the end is just stronger if it reeally fought Hezbollah with large numbers and firepower.

Do you actually want the IDF to win in the Middle East? You seem to be very supportive of the idea.

He's not, and even if he was he's got a good enough reason to be. Israel had to evacuate a bunch of Maronites from south Lebanon after the SLA collapsed.

[Alsheb]

It's not a "foreign goal". The ending of the zionist occupation and the liberation of Palestine are matters that concern all of the Arab world. And in fact all of the justice-loving world, for that matter.

You just want war.

There IS war, mate. The war against the Palestinians has been going on continuously for over sixty years.

[The Greater Lebanon]

Well, that's the way it was during the 1958 crisis and the Civil War. It was pretty horrible, but one didn't have to feign mourning when the other was on the receiving end an an artillery barrage. And let's face it: as a Maronite, you've got a direct interest in Hezbollah getting hit. Like, don't take that negatively, there's really nothing wrong that. I ain't no pro-israel sort of guy, but a lot of people tend to forget that without em in the region there's a few minority groups that might get massacred as a result.
sry bro the Syrian army shot up more Palestinians than the Maronites. the PLO was the biggest game in town before the Syrian intervention, by 1982 there was little military power to speak of with the PLO. The Syrians had fought it out of them. idk how you can say that syria was with the Palestinians (even though it's known they maintained proxies inside the organization) when Syria is one of the biggest reasons they lost in Lebanon.
It really doesn't matter of Hezbollah's christian support went away. It's a shia group in the first place, and there's a hell of a lot more shia's in Lebanon than Maronites.
You'd have to give Israel a hell of a good reason to invade in force these days. They only did it in 1982 cuz the PLO were a nice squishy target (and they changed their tune pretty quickly when the suicide bombings started).

Yes, and thankfully the US marines came and prevented the country from becoming another pan-arab nationalist failure. I do admit, of course as Maronite I dont mind seeing Hezbollah get hit at all. In fact I would have preferred smaller Lebanon to be an independent nation rather than the greater Lebanon that we have today but that can't be changed for the time being and we have to move on. Actually the PLo had about over 10,000 troops and had large quantities of artillery that period. While the Syrians maintained around 30,000 these are the forces excluding the Lebanese groups. the PLO and the Syrians both got hit really hard as the Israelis moved north. Shia are not that much more than Maronites in Lebanon they may have 100,000 to two hundred thousand more.

[Alsheb]

Well, that's the way it was during the 1958 crisis and the Civil War. It was pretty horrible, but one didn't have to feign mourning when the other was on the receiving end an an artillery barrage. And let's face it: as a Maronite, you've got a direct interest in Hezbollah getting hit. Like, don't take that negatively, there's really nothing wrong that. I ain't no pro-israel sort of guy, but a lot of people tend to forget that without em in the region there's a few minority groups that might get massacred as a result.
sry bro the Syrian army shot up more Palestinians than the Maronites. the PLO was the biggest game in town before the Syrian intervention, by 1982 there was little military power to speak of with the PLO. The Syrians had fought it out of them. idk how you can say that syria was with the Palestinians (even though it's known they maintained proxies inside the organization) when Syria is one of the biggest reasons they lost in Lebanon.
It really doesn't matter of Hezbollah's christian support went away. It's a shia group in the first place, and there's a hell of a lot more shia's in Lebanon than Maronites.
You'd have to give Israel a hell of a good reason to invade in force these days. They only did it in 1982 cuz the PLO were a nice squishy target (and they changed their tune pretty quickly when the suicide bombings started).

Yes, and thankfully the US marines came and prevented the country from becoming another pan-arab nationalist failure. I do admit, of course as Maronite I dont mind seeing Hezbollah get hit at all. In fact I would have preferred smaller Lebanon to be an independent nation rather than the greater Lebanon that we have today but that can't be changed for the time being and we have to move on. Actually the PLo had about over 10,000 troops and had large quantities of artillery that period. While the Syrians maintained around 30,000 these are the forces excluding the Lebanese groups. the PLO and the Syrians both got hit really hard as the Israelis moved north. Shia are not that much more than Maronites in Lebanon they may have 100,000 to two hundred thousand more.

It's funny how you keep saying Lebanon is in some way lucky it did not become a Pan-Arab "failure", even though even today it's still maintaining an incredibly outdated and unfair political system of confessionalism that gives way to much power to the Maronite minority at the cost of the Muslims.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

This matter isn't so much about stability inside Lebanon itself, but more like stability in the region. Hezbollah enjoys a great deal of support thanks to not only its social projects, must mostly for defending Lebanese soil against Foreigners (Israel, IS, Al Nusra ect.) Now once these foreign threats aren't threats anymore there will be no reason for people to support the Military wing of Hezbollah and it becomes much easier to disarm them. Currently there are simply to many threats and there's to much support for the military wing of Hezbollah, making it a dangerous thing to attempt to disarm them. Disarming them shouldn't come from the government alone as they cannot do such thing, it has to come from the supporters aswell, even members if possible.

The thing is is when I mean disarm I mean transfer their weapons over to the Lebanese army. Deploy them in the south and then lets see if israel wants to really destroy Lebanon. The Israelis will then have no excuse. If Israel attacks the Lebanese army and not Hezbollah then they would have to face Lebanon. For now not all Lebanese are interested in waging a fight for the palestinians who we welcomed into this country and destroyed our country. Even the Druze, walid jumblatt in just regular talk amongst themselves dont see a benefit in fighting Israel. Many educated Sunnis dont see a point either. Im not saying they like Israel, but theres no point in fighting on behalf of Iran and Hezbollah at the expense of our country for foreign goals. ISIS, Nusra and those assholes are a different force than the Israelis who actually have an interest in swallowing up all of Lebanon and making it a province of their so called Caliphate.

I know, and some day Hezbollah might do that, but not as long as there are agressors and not as long as the region is a hotspot for wars.
Hezbollah, just like Iran, don't have any interest in fighting a war with Israel either. I don't know where you got that belief from. The only thing they demand from Israel is for Israel to return the occupied lands to the Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese people. Do you actually believe that Iran would risk a war over that? It doesn't actually.
Anyhow, lets look at the Shebaa farms, occupied by Israel. Now there's no chance Lebanon will make any effort to get them back, not even on a diplomatic level. In reality the Lebanese government simply gave up on those lands. Now what kind of government gives up on lands illegally occupied by a foreign agressor? That's what i mean with a weak government. Hezbollah stands tall for those lands and as long as those lands remain under Israëli occupation Hezbollah will go nowhere, the fact that the Lebanese government isn't doing jack shit about that occupation only makes Hezbollah more right in their existance.
This really isn't so much about Iran, but more about Lebanon and the direct region around it.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

I think you are underestimating power of Saudi Arabia. They can steamroll Houthi rebels if they wish to do so. These air strikes have done what they are supposed to do - destory Houthi military equipment (especially anti-air equipment). They have destroyed air bases, missile bases and other kind of military bases that Houthis could use in addition to military equipment like cars, armored vehicles and tanks etc. They are weaking their enemies right now.

Do you actually believe that the Houthi's are so stupid to leave all equipment on their spot for such airstrikes to come and destroy it? Most of it is moved away already and honestly, if you believe that airstrikes will weaken the Houthis then i'd very much invite you to read upon the Houthis themselves.
Now aside from that, how do you imagine the Saudi's steamrolling Yemen? They have almost no local support as even alot of sunni's in Yemen agree with the Houthi's. Without that you basicly lost a war already. Then there's the fact that the Saudi military has zero experience on this field and its morale stands lower then the sealevel. Sure they will win eventually, but there's no way they can keep Yemen under control nor will they ever establish stability in Yemen as long as a puppet regime rules the nation. Then there's the fact that on a diplomatic level the Saudi's will get ruined, just as the US reputation got ruined after the Iraq war, which failed in every aspect, and just like that war i'd expect the very same to happen in Yemen. Eventually the Houthi's will be victorious, they are the ones that come on top stronger, both military as diplomaticly as they can proof all of Yemen that they where right about Yemen being controlled by corrupt foreign puppets.

[British Home Counties]

You just want war.

There IS war, mate. The war against the Palestinians has been going on continuously for over sixty years.

And that is why it must be quashed once and for all by Israel.

[Alsheb]

There IS war, mate. The war against the Palestinians has been going on continuously for over sixty years.

And that is why it must be quashed once and for all by Israel.

It's Israel that has been waging war on Palestine for 60+ years, the zionists are the aggressors. Doesn't make much sense to side with the perpetrator of a decades-long genocidal war.

[British Home Counties]

And that is why it must be quashed once and for all by Israel.

It's Israel that has been waging war on Palestine for 60+ years, the zionists are the aggressors. Doesn't make much sense to side with the perpetrator of a decades-long genocidal war.

Yes, but it's time to end this long-running saga with a final quash.

[The Greater Lebanon]

Yes, and thankfully the US marines came and prevented the country from becoming another pan-arab nationalist failure. I do admit, of course as Maronite I dont mind seeing Hezbollah get hit at all. In fact I would have preferred smaller Lebanon to be an independent nation rather than the greater Lebanon that we have today but that can't be changed for the time being and we have to move on. Actually the PLo had about over 10,000 troops and had large quantities of artillery that period. While the Syrians maintained around 30,000 these are the forces excluding the Lebanese groups. the PLO and the Syrians both got hit really hard as the Israelis moved north. Shia are not that much more than Maronites in Lebanon they may have 100,000 to two hundred thousand more.

It's funny how you keep saying Lebanon is in some way lucky it did not become a Pan-Arab "failure", even though even today it's still maintaining an incredibly outdated and unfair political system of confessionalism that gives way to much power to the Maronite minority at the cost of the Muslims.

We were the ones who were at the forefront of building this country. Even muslims in Lebanon admit that Lebanon before 1975 was way better than it is now. We werent like a bunch of dictatorships and bloody regimes like in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Egypt.

[The Greater Lebanon]

The thing is is when I mean disarm I mean transfer their weapons over to the Lebanese army. Deploy them in the south and then lets see if israel wants to really destroy Lebanon. The Israelis will then have no excuse. If Israel attacks the Lebanese army and not Hezbollah then they would have to face Lebanon. For now not all Lebanese are interested in waging a fight for the palestinians who we welcomed into this country and destroyed our country. Even the Druze, walid jumblatt in just regular talk amongst themselves dont see a benefit in fighting Israel. Many educated Sunnis dont see a point either. Im not saying they like Israel, but theres no point in fighting on behalf of Iran and Hezbollah at the expense of our country for foreign goals. ISIS, Nusra and those assholes are a different force than the Israelis who actually have an interest in swallowing up all of Lebanon and making it a province of their so called Caliphate.

I know, and some day Hezbollah might do that, but not as long as there are agressors and not as long as the region is a hotspot for wars.
Hezbollah, just like Iran, don't have any interest in fighting a war with Israel either. I don't know where you got that belief from. The only thing they demand from Israel is for Israel to return the occupied lands to the Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese people. Do you actually believe that Iran would risk a war over that? It doesn't actually.
Anyhow, lets look at the Shebaa farms, occupied by Israel. Now there's no chance Lebanon will make any effort to get them back, not even on a diplomatic level. In reality the Lebanese government simply gave up on those lands. Now what kind of government gives up on lands illegally occupied by a foreign agressor? That's what i mean with a weak government. Hezbollah stands tall for those lands and as long as those lands remain under Israëli occupation Hezbollah will go nowhere, the fact that the Lebanese government isn't doing jack shit about that occupation only makes Hezbollah more right in their existance.
This really isn't so much about Iran, but more about Lebanon and the direct region around it.

Hezbollah calls for the "Liberation" of Jerusalem and the destruction of Israel just like Iran. Lebanon's claims on the Shebaa farms are not as strong anymore. People in Lebanon who have not been brainwashed by the silly propaganda don't care for that small strip of land. Even kids my age and those a little bit older want to get on with life and try to improve this country instead of fighting a war that will only hurt us for little or no gain. If your gonna do all this resistance crap and make the whole country suffer for a bunch of farms it makes Hezbollah look like a joke. We are not gonna fight for some strip of land at the expense of our entire economy and country. If Hezbollah wants it let them assault Shebaa and fight the IDF. Again, if there is no Hezbollah, I'd like to see Israel attack Lebanon then. Its an excuse to further their agenda and give them some sort of propaganda to continue attacking Israel. What ever the case is Hezbollah should give their weapons to the army, and we will deploy all over the South. Hezbollah can keep doing its social and political things but there should be no army but the Lebanese Army. Hezbollah should not be running its own foreign policy.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

I know, and some day Hezbollah might do that, but not as long as there are agressors and not as long as the region is a hotspot for wars.
Hezbollah, just like Iran, don't have any interest in fighting a war with Israel either. I don't know where you got that belief from. The only thing they demand from Israel is for Israel to return the occupied lands to the Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese people. Do you actually believe that Iran would risk a war over that? It doesn't actually.
Anyhow, lets look at the Shebaa farms, occupied by Israel. Now there's no chance Lebanon will make any effort to get them back, not even on a diplomatic level. In reality the Lebanese government simply gave up on those lands. Now what kind of government gives up on lands illegally occupied by a foreign agressor? That's what i mean with a weak government. Hezbollah stands tall for those lands and as long as those lands remain under Israëli occupation Hezbollah will go nowhere, the fact that the Lebanese government isn't doing jack shit about that occupation only makes Hezbollah more right in their existance.
This really isn't so much about Iran, but more about Lebanon and the direct region around it.

Hezbollah calls for the "Liberation" of Jerusalem and the destruction of Israel just like Iran. Lebanon's claims on the Shebaa farms are not as strong anymore. People in Lebanon who have not been brainwashed by the silly propaganda don't care for that small strip of land. Even kids my age and those a little bit older want to get on with life and try to improve this country instead of fighting a war that will only hurt us for little or no gain. If your gonna do all this resistance crap and make the whole country suffer for a bunch of farms it makes Hezbollah look like a joke. We are not gonna fight for some strip of land at the expense of our entire economy and country. If Hezbollah wants it let them assault Shebaa and fight the IDF. Again, if there is no Hezbollah, I'd like to see Israel attack Lebanon then. Its an excuse to further their agenda and give them some sort of propaganda to continue attacking Israel. What ever the case is Hezbollah should give their weapons to the army, and we will deploy all over the South. Hezbollah can keep doing its social and political things but there should be no army but the Lebanese Army. Hezbollah should not be running its own foreign policy.

No, Iran calls for a regime change, not a destruction, as for Hezbollah, they say alot of things, but it are the things one does, not the things one says.
Lebanon's claims on the Shebaa farms are strong enough to hold. Why should Lebanon just accept this Israëli agression according to you? In the next war Israel might take another piece of land, then a decade later you'll stand here again with the same lazy argument that the claim isn't strong. Countries dissapear in that way you know, one day its the Shebaa farms, next day its south Lebanon, the day after its the rest of the country. You should watch out with such statements, especially these days. It wasn't a hundred years ago when Israel occupied these lands, if it was then i would honestly see the strenght of a claim falling, but that isn't the case.
The only thing you are doing now is confirming my statement from before, the Lebanese government is lazy as shit when it comes to protecting its lands. From this comment it seems that you wouldn't even care if Lebanon gets eaten by Israel bit by bit, aslong as your puppet state nation doesn't have to fight off an agressor.
You're only claiming the exact thing Hezbollah fears the most, and that is that when they give up their military wing your nations becomes widely open for Israëli occupation becouse your government, as you say yourself, should avoid battles. To do that you can only let Israel walk into your nation, offering them pieces of land before they even declare war perhaps?
You're an insult to the Lebanese people and should be ashamed of trying to sell out your nation.

[Marcurix]

This is, unfortunately, the result of the predicted larger conflict that has been brewing in the region for some time now. If Aden falls, things will only become much worse and run the risk of spreading this conflict even further.

[Kubra]

Well, that's the way it was during the 1958 crisis and the Civil War. It was pretty horrible, but one didn't have to feign mourning when the other was on the receiving end an an artillery barrage. And let's face it: as a Maronite, you've got a direct interest in Hezbollah getting hit. Like, don't take that negatively, there's really nothing wrong that. I ain't no pro-israel sort of guy, but a lot of people tend to forget that without em in the region there's a few minority groups that might get massacred as a result.
sry bro the Syrian army shot up more Palestinians than the Maronites. the PLO was the biggest game in town before the Syrian intervention, by 1982 there was little military power to speak of with the PLO. The Syrians had fought it out of them. idk how you can say that syria was with the Palestinians (even though it's known they maintained proxies inside the organization) when Syria is one of the biggest reasons they lost in Lebanon.
It really doesn't matter of Hezbollah's christian support went away. It's a shia group in the first place, and there's a hell of a lot more shia's in Lebanon than Maronites.
You'd have to give Israel a hell of a good reason to invade in force these days. They only did it in 1982 cuz the PLO were a nice squishy target (and they changed their tune pretty quickly when the suicide bombings started).

Yes, and thankfully the US marines came and prevented the country from becoming another pan-arab nationalist failure. I do admit, of course as Maronite I dont mind seeing Hezbollah get hit at all. In fact I would have preferred smaller Lebanon to be an independent nation rather than the greater Lebanon that we have today but that can't be changed for the time being and we have to move on. Actually the PLo had about over 10,000 troops and had large quantities of artillery that period. While the Syrians maintained around 30,000 these are the forces excluding the Lebanese groups. the PLO and the Syrians both got hit really hard as the Israelis moved north. Shia are not that much more than Maronites in Lebanon they may have 100,000 to two hundred thousand more.

idk what you have against pan-arabism, I mean nasserites were a lot of things but they never were big fans of ethnic cleansing.

10,000 is a pitiful number. PLO massing artillery that they couldn't defend was even dumber than them turning their T-34's on the new Merkava's. The Syrian army, the better one, had its airforce anihilated, and such was almost completely vulnerable to ground attack aircraft. Again, not a hard force to beat.

CIA factbook puts Shia's at 27%, Maronites at 21%, with Shia posting higher birth rates. We can imagine what this would look like in the context of South Lebanon.

[West Aurelia]

Pakistan joins the coalition. Also, whoever wrote this article put no effort into it.

Oh good. They updated it.

[The Greater Lebanon]

No, Iran calls for a regime change, not a destruction, as for Hezbollah, they say alot of things, but it are the things one does, not the things one says.
Lebanon's claims on the Shebaa farms are strong enough to hold. Why should Lebanon just accept this Israëli agression according to you? In the next war Israel might take another piece of land, then a decade later you'll stand here again with the same lazy argument that the claim isn't strong. Countries dissapear in that way you know, one day its the Shebaa farms, next day its south Lebanon, the day after its the rest of the country. You should watch out with such statements, especially these days. It wasn't a hundred years ago when Israel occupied these lands, if it was then i would honestly see the strenght of a claim falling, but that isn't the case.
The only thing you are doing now is confirming my statement from before, the Lebanese government is lazy as shit when it comes to protecting its lands. From this comment it seems that you wouldn't even care if Lebanon gets eaten by Israel bit by bit, aslong as your puppet state nation doesn't have to fight off an agressor.
You're only claiming the exact thing Hezbollah fears the most, and that is that when they give up their military wing your nations becomes widely open for Israëli occupation becouse your government, as you say yourself, should avoid battles. To do that you can only let Israel walk into your nation, offering them pieces of land before they even declare war perhaps?
You're an insult to the Lebanese people and should be ashamed of trying to sell out your nation.

*sigh* Hezbollahs weapons should be under Lebanon's army. Then we negotiate like civilized people on the farms after the Hezbollah is disarmed so negotiations can actually have some credibility. You want to fight and fight for a bunch of farms which will provoke greater retaliation unto our country. If Lebanon had only 1 army then there could be some sense in dicussing this. But you see Hezbollah feeds off this bullshit propaganda to gain legitimacy for its continuous terrorist attacks. If Israel wants to invade and annex Lebanon, they will fight the Lebanese army. Thaat cant happen now because Hezbollah the one that is tossling with them directly and Israel claims it attacks because of hezbollah. I do not know of the Lebanese military purposefully shelling israel, kidnapping Israeli soldiers ect.. or Israel attacking the Lebanese army randomly for sake of expanding "zionism". You call me an insult to my country? But you have no idea of the actual reality of anything. You brainwashed deluded pro-iranian and hezbollah westerners think that you can sit all day blab a bunch of bullshit while you sit comfortably at home doing nothing. Our country should not be a proxy for foreign powers to fight their war. There is much more at stake in Lebanon than all of your zeal and passion for the liberation of this and the glorious kicking out of the Israeli occupiers. We are an independent country that had no problem with our neighbors (by fact) before the Palestinians entered our country and sparked a series of unfortunate events which has led to this...

[The Greater Lebanon]

idk what you have against pan-arabism, I mean nasserites were a lot of things but they never were big fans of ethnic cleansing.

10,000 is a pitiful number. PLO massing artillery that they couldn't defend was even dumber than them turning their T-34's on the new Merkava's. The Syrian army, the better one, had its airforce anihilated, and such was almost completely vulnerable to ground attack aircraft. Again, not a hard force to beat.

CIA factbook puts Shia's at 27%, Maronites at 21%, with Shia posting higher birth rates. We can imagine what this would look like in the context of South Lebanon.

I am against it because I do not agree with it, I don't even consider myself an Arab but I never argue it because its not worth getting into an argument every single time. Many in Lebanon dont see themselves as Arabs and this predominant among Christians but not a small number of others see it. Its also how you define Arab. The Taef agreement which we had to signed without a choice forced us to label ourselves as an Arab country but that is politics. The PLO were still on the main frontlines in beirut and had a large presence in the South. They suffered big casualties against the Israelis. And Yes they were not a hard force to beat given that Israel invaded with nearly 80,000 soldiers. The Shia in south Lebanon are a majority, but I dont see your point.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

No, Iran calls for a regime change, not a destruction, as for Hezbollah, they say alot of things, but it are the things one does, not the things one says.
Lebanon's claims on the Shebaa farms are strong enough to hold. Why should Lebanon just accept this Israëli agression according to you? In the next war Israel might take another piece of land, then a decade later you'll stand here again with the same lazy argument that the claim isn't strong. Countries dissapear in that way you know, one day its the Shebaa farms, next day its south Lebanon, the day after its the rest of the country. You should watch out with such statements, especially these days. It wasn't a hundred years ago when Israel occupied these lands, if it was then i would honestly see the strenght of a claim falling, but that isn't the case.
The only thing you are doing now is confirming my statement from before, the Lebanese government is lazy as shit when it comes to protecting its lands. From this comment it seems that you wouldn't even care if Lebanon gets eaten by Israel bit by bit, aslong as your puppet state nation doesn't have to fight off an agressor.
You're only claiming the exact thing Hezbollah fears the most, and that is that when they give up their military wing your nations becomes widely open for Israëli occupation becouse your government, as you say yourself, should avoid battles. To do that you can only let Israel walk into your nation, offering them pieces of land before they even declare war perhaps?
You're an insult to the Lebanese people and should be ashamed of trying to sell out your nation.

*sigh* Hezbollahs weapons should be under Lebanon's army. Then we negotiate like civilized people on the farms after the Hezbollah is disarmed so negotiations can actually have some credibility. You want to fight and fight for a bunch of farms which will provoke greater retaliation unto our country. If Lebanon had only 1 army then there could be some sense in dicussing this. But you see Hezbollah feeds off this bullshit propaganda to gain legitimacy for its continuous terrorist attacks. If Israel wants to invade and annex Lebanon, they will fight the Lebanese army. Thaat cant happen now because Hezbollah the one that is tossling with them directly and Israel claims it attacks because of hezbollah. I do not know of the Lebanese military purposefully shelling israel, kidnapping Israeli soldiers ect.. or Israel attacking the Lebanese army randomly for sake of expanding "zionism". You call me an insult to my country? But you have no idea of the actual reality of anything. You brainwashed deluded pro-iranian and hezbollah westerners think that you can sit all day blab a bunch of bullshit while you sit comfortably at home doing nothing. Our country should not be a proxy for foreign powers to fight their war. There is much more at stake in Lebanon than all of your zeal and passion for the liberation of this and the glorious kicking out of the Israeli occupiers. We are an independent country that had no problem with our neighbors (by fact) before the Palestinians entered our country and sparked a series of unfortunate events which has led to this...

And you actually believe that Israel negotiates? As long as Netanyahu is in power there is zero room for any negotiation. And ofcourse it does, and you know why Hezbollah succeeds? Becouse they are the only ones standing up for Lebanon. You're pathetic government doesn't do jack shit about anything. It could have all modern arms for a cheap price if it wanted, yet it decided to kiss the asses of foreign powers. You constantly argue about Hezbollah being Iran's puppet, yet the rest of Lebanon, led by your government is nothing but a puppet of western powers.
I've been to Lebanon, i've talked several people there, and all i can say is that they would find you a disgusting person who would rather sell out their country to foreigners then to follow its own interests.
You call me a pro-iranian and Hezbollah westerner, yet these western powers are controlling Lebanon, and since you seem to support that, you may kiss my ass if you want to show that you're the real deal. Iran at least has the balls to persuade its interests and to stand up against foreign powers that desire it to become a mere puppet state, you and your dream government are the reason Lebanon is facing these problems today.

[Organized States]

Not for long, I suspect.

Royal Saudi Land Force and the Saudi National Guard is going to roll in there any day now to finish the final part of Operation Decisive Storm. The fact that the Houthis massed on Saudi's border is rather unsettling for them. They're either going to steam roll in, or wait and bomb the fuck out of the Houthis before rolling in with the Egyptians backing them up.

Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.

[The balkens]

Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.

Would Iran bite back though?

[Arcturus Novus]

I don't see this ending well.

[Organized States]

Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.

Would Iran bite back though?

With what? Their few Tomcats and F-5s are barely operational. They'd be raped by the RSAF if they ever try anything, even with cruise missiles or the likes.

[West Aurelia]

Would Iran bite back though?

With what? Their few Tomcats and F-5s are barely operational. They'd be raped by the RSAF if they ever try anything, even with cruise missiles or the likes.

F-14s and MiG-29s vs. F-15s and Typhoons.

Not gonna end well.

[The balkens]

Would Iran bite back though?

With what? Their few Tomcats and F-5s are barely operational. They'd be raped by the RSAF if they ever try anything, even with cruise missiles or the likes.

I wouldnt be surprised if the Russians gave them some new toys and decided not to tell anyone. They got Frogfoots, dont they?

[Kubra]

idk what you have against pan-arabism, I mean nasserites were a lot of things but they never were big fans of ethnic cleansing.

10,000 is a pitiful number. PLO massing artillery that they couldn't defend was even dumber than them turning their T-34's on the new Merkava's. The Syrian army, the better one, had its airforce anihilated, and such was almost completely vulnerable to ground attack aircraft. Again, not a hard force to beat.

CIA factbook puts Shia's at 27%, Maronites at 21%, with Shia posting higher birth rates. We can imagine what this would look like in the context of South Lebanon.

I am against it because I do not agree with it, I don't even consider myself an Arab but I never argue it because its not worth getting into an argument every single time. Many in Lebanon dont see themselves as Arabs and this predominant among Christians but not a small number of others see it. Its also how you define Arab. The Taef agreement which we had to signed without a choice forced us to label ourselves as an Arab country but that is politics. The PLO were still on the main frontlines in beirut and had a large presence in the South. They suffered big casualties against the Israelis. And Yes they were not a hard force to beat given that Israel invaded with nearly 80,000 soldiers. The Shia in south Lebanon are a majority, but I dont see your point.

This ain't about what you think of the idea of pan-arabism. This is about them not being huge on ethnic cleansing. That's a good thing. Between being a maronite occupied by old school ba'athists or old school islamists or sectarians, it's pretty clear which one is preferable.

Israel lost around 600 of that 80,000 it deployed, which is pretty good number (not by israeli standards tho) considering that it was fighting off the syrians as well and considering the time period. Exact figures don't exist, but really one can safely assume that military casualties for the rest were way higher than that of the Israeli's, considering the speed of which they collapsed. Now imagine what those figures would have looked like with something like Hezbollah, which is bigger, has individually better fighters, is better entrenched in the region, and has better equipment to boot. What would casualty figures look like then?

The point is that if Israel were able and willing to put the hurt on South Lebanon and wipe out Hezbollah, that would be entirely a good thing for you, since it ain't your turf even if it is part of Lebanon. Turf ain't defined by citizenship.

Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

Though their Gulf War performance wasn't very impressive, they've improved a lot. The RSAF has already destroyed the entire Yemeni Air Force (all of their operational and potentially operational aircraft have been destroyed with their runways cratered) and has wiped out most of the Houthi positions on the Saudi border. They also maintain the largest and most well-equipped military on the Gulf.

I think they can steamroll into Yemen.

On what grounds are you repping the Saudi's military, other than the RSAF?