Saudi Arabia intervenes in Yemen

[Kubra]

In case you forgot hezbollah actually beat israel.

from the mid 1980s-2000 hezbollah failed against the IDF and SLA. There were Shia and Druze fighting in the SLA against Hezbollah too. It was due to their pull out that Hezbollah moved in to take those positions. In 2006 I agree, Hezbollah caused a lot of casualties, but if the IDF invaded with 80,000 forces like it did in 1982 everything from the border to Hezbollahs south Beirut stronghold in Dahyieh would be crushed.

Yeah, and being the main guerrilla force in town comes with perks. Once you don't have to worry about fighting sectarian wars with other little militias, you can develop, like Hezbollah did.
This ain't 1982 anymore, tho. The PLO were easy and identifiable targets (confined to their little ghettoes and with very few regional allies), while Hezbollah is a genuinely (like it or not) popular movement in South Lebanon. Israel ain't just gonna be rooting out militants, they gonna be a situation where they're the enemy of the population itself.

[Alsheb]

I am against intervention by other nations in any war. It shows imperialistic tendencies.

Protect intrest=/=Imperialistic tendencies.

Saudi Arabia isn't doing so they can colonize Uemen they are doing it so they don't have a Shia Rebel group causing instability in a neighboring nation.

No. They are doing this because they want to reinstall a puppet regime in Yemen that they can control. That is called imperialism.

[Alsheb]

Lebanon could have the equipment Hezbollah uses, yet they eventually turned away from weapon deals with Iran becouse they feared that other nations might complain. So basicly Lebanon itself choses sides aswell on the international stage.
Aside from that all, sure, at some point i'd like to see a united Lebanon aswell, but the time isn't there and Lebanon isn't stable enough to sustain such intergration. If peace once again returns to the region you'll see that Hezbollah will slowly get rid of its military capabilities aswell. Aslong as the region is a hotspot for agressors they will keep their military capabilities at their best form possible.

There are still some non iranian aligned elements in Lebanon that can decide but Hezbollah knows its very strong, it has even penetrated the Lebanese army. Hezbollah has been very effective in assassinating Lebanese officials and people hence why not many stand up to it now. When you have one group that is virtually stronger than all other groups in the country there will never ever be stability. Foreigners want to use us as proxies to fight their war against Israel and destroy our country and its economy. Again there should be one army for all religious sects.

If the Lebanese government would actually step up and also actually do something for Lebanon the way Hezbollah is doing, then perhaps you can talk again about disarming the militias. Right now, with the March 14 Alliance idiots still holding so much sway in Lebanon, it would be suicide for Hezbollah to disarm or do anything that you suggest. And suicide for Hezbollah at this point means suicide for Lebanon.

[Alsheb]

from the mid 1980s-2000 hezbollah failed against the IDF and SLA. There were Shia and Druze fighting in the SLA against Hezbollah too. It was due to their pull out that Hezbollah moved in to take those positions. In 2006 I agree, Hezbollah caused a lot of casualties, but if the IDF invaded with 80,000 forces like it did in 1982 everything from the border to Hezbollahs south Beirut stronghold in Dahyieh would be crushed.

Yeah, and being the main guerrilla force in town comes with perks. Once you don't have to worry about fighting sectarian wars with other little militias, you can develop, like Hezbollah did.
This ain't 1982 anymore, tho. The PLO were easy and identifiable targets (confined to their little ghettoes and with very few regional allies), while Hezbollah is a genuinely (like it or not) popular movement in South Lebanon. Israel ain't just gonna be rooting out militants, they gonna be a situation where they're the enemy of the population itself.

Indeed. Hezbollah has made big work of providing social security, police protection and humanitarian aid to a lot of people in southern Lebanon. The Lebanese government and the other militias have totally missed that train, and now they have to live with the consequences.

[The Greater Lebanon]

There are still some non iranian aligned elements in Lebanon that can decide but Hezbollah knows its very strong, it has even penetrated the Lebanese army. Hezbollah has been very effective in assassinating Lebanese officials and people hence why not many stand up to it now. When you have one group that is virtually stronger than all other groups in the country there will never ever be stability. Foreigners want to use us as proxies to fight their war against Israel and destroy our country and its economy. Again there should be one army for all religious sects.

If the Lebanese government would actually step up and also actually do something for Lebanon the way Hezbollah is doing, then perhaps you can talk again about disarming the militias. Right now, with the March 14 Alliance idiots still holding so much sway in Lebanon, it would be suicide for Hezbollah to disarm or do anything that you suggest. And suicide for Hezbollah at this point means suicide for Lebanon.

aside from providing to Shias Hezbollah doesn't to anything positive but drag the country to war. The march 14 doesn't have the power you imagine it to have. Hezbollah is not picking a fight with anyone in Lebanon cause they are already embroiled against ISIS and Al Nusra across the Middle East. Again this country should not be a staging point to fight a war for foreign interests while our land gets bombed and destroyed. There should be one army, if the Jihadist or israel attack lebanon then our army should respond. Israel hits areas in Lebanon because of Hezbollah, but our army has fought back against the Jihadists.

[The Greater Lebanon]

from the mid 1980s-2000 hezbollah failed against the IDF and SLA. There were Shia and Druze fighting in the SLA against Hezbollah too. It was due to their pull out that Hezbollah moved in to take those positions. In 2006 I agree, Hezbollah caused a lot of casualties, but if the IDF invaded with 80,000 forces like it did in 1982 everything from the border to Hezbollahs south Beirut stronghold in Dahyieh would be crushed.

Yeah, and being the main guerrilla force in town comes with perks. Once you don't have to worry about fighting sectarian wars with other little militias, you can develop, like Hezbollah did.
This ain't 1982 anymore, tho. The PLO were easy and identifiable targets (confined to their little ghettoes and with very few regional allies), while Hezbollah is a genuinely (like it or not) popular movement in South Lebanon. Israel ain't just gonna be rooting out militants, they gonna be a situation where they're the enemy of the population itself.

So your suggesting every group in Lebanon should have independent militaries? If Hezbollah can have a military then there should be a Christian 'Hezbollah" and a Sunni "hezbollah" but both cannot do that as Hezbollah would intervene. The PLO were not confined to only small areas. The PLO maintained a lot of areas including their proxy and allied militias and the Syrian army. Plus the Muslims in Lebanon were very supportive of the PLO and fought with them.They had a large presence in a great portion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is generally popular among Shia and some christians. The Christians who support Hezbollah do not support it out of pure love but rather they support the Christian politican who is backed by them because he is against the leader of the Lebanese Forces who killed many Christians. You remove both top treasonous Christian leaders in Lebanon, hezbollahs christian support would evaporate as a new better leader would emerge for Christians. Israels battle with Hezbollah will be difficult but the IDF in the end is just stronger if it reeally fought Hezbollah with large numbers and firepower.

[Alsheb]

If the Lebanese government would actually step up and also actually do something for Lebanon the way Hezbollah is doing, then perhaps you can talk again about disarming the militias. Right now, with the March 14 Alliance idiots still holding so much sway in Lebanon, it would be suicide for Hezbollah to disarm or do anything that you suggest. And suicide for Hezbollah at this point means suicide for Lebanon.

aside from providing to Shias Hezbollah doesn't to anything positive but drag the country to war. The march 14 doesn't have the power you imagine it to have. Hezbollah is not picking a fight with anyone in Lebanon cause they are already embroiled against ISIS and Al Nusra across the Middle East. Again this country should not be a staging point to fight a war for foreign interests while our land gets bombed and destroyed. There should be one army, if the Jihadist or israel attack lebanon then our army should respond. Israel hits areas in Lebanon because of Hezbollah, but our army has fought back against the Jihadists.

Your country should fight back against the zionists as well. Instead of blaming Hezbollah for alledgedly having caused the IDF to bomb Lebanon, it would be better to actually fight back against those who bomb Lebanon in the first place.

[Alsheb]

Yeah, and being the main guerrilla force in town comes with perks. Once you don't have to worry about fighting sectarian wars with other little militias, you can develop, like Hezbollah did.
This ain't 1982 anymore, tho. The PLO were easy and identifiable targets (confined to their little ghettoes and with very few regional allies), while Hezbollah is a genuinely (like it or not) popular movement in South Lebanon. Israel ain't just gonna be rooting out militants, they gonna be a situation where they're the enemy of the population itself.

So your suggesting every group in Lebanon should have independent militaries? If Hezbollah can have a military then there should be a Christian 'Hezbollah" and a Sunni "hezbollah" but both cannot do that as Hezbollah would intervene. The PLO were not confined to only small areas. The PLO maintained a lot of areas including their proxy and allied militias and the Syrian army. Plus the Muslims in Lebanon were very supportive of the PLO and fought with them.They had a large presence in a great portion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is generally popular among Shia and some christians. The Christians who support Hezbollah do not support it out of pure love but rather they support the Christian politican who is backed by them because he is against the leader of the Lebanese Forces who killed many Christians. You remove both top treasonous Christian leaders in Lebanon, hezbollahs christian support would evaporate as a new better leader would emerge for Christians. Israels battle with Hezbollah will be difficult but the IDF in the end is just stronger if it reeally fought Hezbollah with large numbers and firepower.

Do you actually want the IDF to win in the Middle East? You seem to be very supportive of the idea.

[Padnak]

I love how the Saudis view some Iran backed rebels as more of a threat then bloody ISIS

Because god forbid iran has influence

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Lebanon could have the equipment Hezbollah uses, yet they eventually turned away from weapon deals with Iran becouse they feared that other nations might complain. So basicly Lebanon itself choses sides aswell on the international stage.
Aside from that all, sure, at some point i'd like to see a united Lebanon aswell, but the time isn't there and Lebanon isn't stable enough to sustain such intergration. If peace once again returns to the region you'll see that Hezbollah will slowly get rid of its military capabilities aswell. Aslong as the region is a hotspot for agressors they will keep their military capabilities at their best form possible.

There are still some non iranian aligned elements in Lebanon that can decide but Hezbollah knows its very strong, it has even penetrated the Lebanese army. Hezbollah has been very effective in assassinating Lebanese officials and people hence why not many stand up to it now. When you have one group that is virtually stronger than all other groups in the country there will never ever be stability. Foreigners want to use us as proxies to fight their war against Israel and destroy our country and its economy. Again there should be one army for all religious sects.

This matter isn't so much about stability inside Lebanon itself, but more like stability in the region. Hezbollah enjoys a great deal of support thanks to not only its social projects, must mostly for defending Lebanese soil against Foreigners (Israel, IS, Al Nusra ect.) Now once these foreign threats aren't threats anymore there will be no reason for people to support the Military wing of Hezbollah and it becomes much easier to disarm them. Currently there are simply to many threats and there's to much support for the military wing of Hezbollah, making it a dangerous thing to attempt to disarm them. Disarming them shouldn't come from the government alone as they cannot do such thing, it has to come from the supporters aswell, even members if possible.

[Teemant]

I love how the Saudis view some Iran backed rebels as more of a threat then bloody ISIS

Because god forbid iran has influence

ISIS will be gone in few years. ISIS hasn't made any advances lately. And according to wiki Houthis have 100 000 fighters - that's a lot.

[West Aurelia]

Pakistan joins the coalition. Also, whoever wrote this article put no effort into it.

[Organized States]

Pakistan joins the coalition. Also, whoever wrote this article put no effort into it.

That shit needs a Pulitzer Prize. Right Now. Make it happen.

[MERIZoC]

Houthis gaining some ground

[Organized States]

Houthis gaining some ground

Not for long, I suspect.

Royal Saudi Land Force and the Saudi National Guard is going to roll in there any day now to finish the final part of Operation Decisive Storm. The fact that the Houthis massed on Saudi's border is rather unsettling for them. They're either going to steam roll in, or wait and bomb the fuck out of the Houthis before rolling in with the Egyptians backing them up.

[Teemant]

Houthis gaining some ground

Houthis are making it worse for themselves.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Houthis gaining some ground

Not for long, I suspect.

Royal Saudi Land Force and the Saudi National Guard is going to roll in there any day now to finish the final part of Operation Decisive Storm. The fact that the Houthis massed on Saudi's border is rather unsettling for them. They're either going to steam roll in, or wait and bomb the fuck out of the Houthis before rolling in with the Egyptians backing them up.

Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

View from the Houthi side:
http://www.newsweek.com/photo-essay-rise-houthis-305511
http://www.yementimes.com/en/1826/intre ... men-Times-

[Alsheb]

Houthis gaining some ground

Houthis are making it worse for themselves.

If you have to go down, better to go down fighting. Especially against people like the Saudis.

[The Greater Lebanon]

So your suggesting every group in Lebanon should have independent militaries? If Hezbollah can have a military then there should be a Christian 'Hezbollah" and a Sunni "hezbollah" but both cannot do that as Hezbollah would intervene. The PLO were not confined to only small areas. The PLO maintained a lot of areas including their proxy and allied militias and the Syrian army. Plus the Muslims in Lebanon were very supportive of the PLO and fought with them.They had a large presence in a great portion of Lebanon. Hezbollah is generally popular among Shia and some christians. The Christians who support Hezbollah do not support it out of pure love but rather they support the Christian politican who is backed by them because he is against the leader of the Lebanese Forces who killed many Christians. You remove both top treasonous Christian leaders in Lebanon, hezbollahs christian support would evaporate as a new better leader would emerge for Christians. Israels battle with Hezbollah will be difficult but the IDF in the end is just stronger if it reeally fought Hezbollah with large numbers and firepower.

Do you actually want the IDF to win in the Middle East? You seem to be very supportive of the idea.

I dont care who wins in the Middle East, as long as we are allowed to strive to become what we were. Iran constantly uses Hezbollah to further its agenda and that provokes and Israeli retaliation on our soil. Lebanon cant invade and take over Israel.

[The Greater Lebanon]

There are still some non iranian aligned elements in Lebanon that can decide but Hezbollah knows its very strong, it has even penetrated the Lebanese army. Hezbollah has been very effective in assassinating Lebanese officials and people hence why not many stand up to it now. When you have one group that is virtually stronger than all other groups in the country there will never ever be stability. Foreigners want to use us as proxies to fight their war against Israel and destroy our country and its economy. Again there should be one army for all religious sects.

This matter isn't so much about stability inside Lebanon itself, but more like stability in the region. Hezbollah enjoys a great deal of support thanks to not only its social projects, must mostly for defending Lebanese soil against Foreigners (Israel, IS, Al Nusra ect.) Now once these foreign threats aren't threats anymore there will be no reason for people to support the Military wing of Hezbollah and it becomes much easier to disarm them. Currently there are simply to many threats and there's to much support for the military wing of Hezbollah, making it a dangerous thing to attempt to disarm them. Disarming them shouldn't come from the government alone as they cannot do such thing, it has to come from the supporters aswell, even members if possible.

The thing is is when I mean disarm I mean transfer their weapons over to the Lebanese army. Deploy them in the south and then lets see if israel wants to really destroy Lebanon. The Israelis will then have no excuse. If Israel attacks the Lebanese army and not Hezbollah then they would have to face Lebanon. For now not all Lebanese are interested in waging a fight for the palestinians who we welcomed into this country and destroyed our country. Even the Druze, walid jumblatt in just regular talk amongst themselves dont see a benefit in fighting Israel. Many educated Sunnis dont see a point either. Im not saying they like Israel, but theres no point in fighting on behalf of Iran and Hezbollah at the expense of our country for foreign goals. ISIS, Nusra and those assholes are a different force than the Israelis who actually have an interest in swallowing up all of Lebanon and making it a province of their so called Caliphate.

[Teemant]

Not for long, I suspect.

Royal Saudi Land Force and the Saudi National Guard is going to roll in there any day now to finish the final part of Operation Decisive Storm. The fact that the Houthis massed on Saudi's border is rather unsettling for them. They're either going to steam roll in, or wait and bomb the fuck out of the Houthis before rolling in with the Egyptians backing them up.

Really? The Saudi's are worth shit when it comes to battle, i'd be rather suprised if they "steamrolled" into Yemen.
Aside from them, those airstrikes haven't done anything really, except ofcourse that they killed dozens of civillians...
There are only two real potential happenings, one is that Oman will reach a solution to the conflict on which both sides can agree, the other is an all out war which will destroy Yemen, resulting most likely in a genocide of Shia people.

I think you are underestimating power of Saudi Arabia. They can steamroll Houthi rebels if they wish to do so. These air strikes have done what they are supposed to do - destory Houthi military equipment (especially anti-air equipment). They have destroyed air bases, missile bases and other kind of military bases that Houthis could use in addition to military equipment like cars, armored vehicles and tanks etc. They are weaking their enemies right now.

[Alsheb]

This matter isn't so much about stability inside Lebanon itself, but more like stability in the region. Hezbollah enjoys a great deal of support thanks to not only its social projects, must mostly for defending Lebanese soil against Foreigners (Israel, IS, Al Nusra ect.) Now once these foreign threats aren't threats anymore there will be no reason for people to support the Military wing of Hezbollah and it becomes much easier to disarm them. Currently there are simply to many threats and there's to much support for the military wing of Hezbollah, making it a dangerous thing to attempt to disarm them. Disarming them shouldn't come from the government alone as they cannot do such thing, it has to come from the supporters aswell, even members if possible.

The thing is is when I mean disarm I mean transfer their weapons over to the Lebanese army. Deploy them in the south and then lets see if israel wants to really destroy Lebanon. The Israelis will then have no excuse. If Israel attacks the Lebanese army and not Hezbollah then they would have to face Lebanon. For now not all Lebanese are interested in waging a fight for the palestinians who we welcomed into this country and destroyed our country. Even the Druze, walid jumblatt in just regular talk amongst themselves dont see a benefit in fighting Israel. Many educated Sunnis dont see a point either. Im not saying they like Israel, but theres no point in fighting on behalf of Iran and Hezbollah at the expense of our country for foreign goals. ISIS, Nusra and those assholes are a different force than the Israelis who actually have an interest in swallowing up all of Lebanon and making it a province of their so called Caliphate.

It's not a "foreign goal". The ending of the zionist occupation and the liberation of Palestine are matters that concern all of the Arab world. And in fact all of the justice-loving world, for that matter.

[Teemant]

The thing is is when I mean disarm I mean transfer their weapons over to the Lebanese army. Deploy them in the south and then lets see if israel wants to really destroy Lebanon. The Israelis will then have no excuse. If Israel attacks the Lebanese army and not Hezbollah then they would have to face Lebanon. For now not all Lebanese are interested in waging a fight for the palestinians who we welcomed into this country and destroyed our country. Even the Druze, walid jumblatt in just regular talk amongst themselves dont see a benefit in fighting Israel. Many educated Sunnis dont see a point either. Im not saying they like Israel, but theres no point in fighting on behalf of Iran and Hezbollah at the expense of our country for foreign goals. ISIS, Nusra and those assholes are a different force than the Israelis who actually have an interest in swallowing up all of Lebanon and making it a province of their so called Caliphate.

It's not a "foreign goal". The ending of the zionist occupation and the liberation of Palestine are matters that concern all of the Arab world. And in fact all of the justice-loving world, for that matter.

You just want war.

[The Greater Lebanon]

The thing is is when I mean disarm I mean transfer their weapons over to the Lebanese army. Deploy them in the south and then lets see if israel wants to really destroy Lebanon. The Israelis will then have no excuse. If Israel attacks the Lebanese army and not Hezbollah then they would have to face Lebanon. For now not all Lebanese are interested in waging a fight for the palestinians who we welcomed into this country and destroyed our country. Even the Druze, walid jumblatt in just regular talk amongst themselves dont see a benefit in fighting Israel. Many educated Sunnis dont see a point either. Im not saying they like Israel, but theres no point in fighting on behalf of Iran and Hezbollah at the expense of our country for foreign goals. ISIS, Nusra and those assholes are a different force than the Israelis who actually have an interest in swallowing up all of Lebanon and making it a province of their so called Caliphate.

It's not a "foreign goal". The ending of the zionist occupation and the liberation of Palestine are matters that concern all of the Arab world. And in fact all of the justice-loving world, for that matter.

There are many matters in the Arab world besides the "zionist occupation". Also the Palestinians and Assad family were the main reasons why Lebanon was destroyed. Not just Christians were killed but even the Syrians turned on the Palestinian forces and the Druze too. Our Lebanese army fought like lions for the last enclave of freedom in Lebanon against the Assad army and his Pan-Arabist imperialist power hungry regime. He is no better than any Israeli settlement. There are many more murderers than the Israelis, like Bashar who talks the talk against Israel but knows his army would get wiped out in six days if he fought them. So he resorts to continue to massacre and repress his own people, or Saudi Arabia which continues to pump wahabis and salafists to massacre innocent people all over the world. There are plenty of Jews already in Israel, there should be a goal to give the palestinians their own full rights and recognition but if you want to wipe out a country with the strongest army in the Middle East and Nuclear weapons I wish you the best of luck.