Woman throws molotov at prolife activists.

[Keyboard Warriors]

This attack is disgusting. This woman was acting like a communist revolutionary against peaceful activists.

The irony. To think after all these years of pro-life fanatics slaughtering abortion patients and doctors around the world that somebody might decide to reciprocate in similar fashion. I guess it's the old adage of getting what's coming to you; surely you can't possibly be surprised that targeting abortion clinics with violence results in more violence? If the story is even true, of which I have my doubts, perhaps the pro-life movement might be inspired to do a better job of encouraging people not to murder abortion clinic staff?

[Dakini]

Pictures from the sources show the Gumout bottle to have a red label.

The most closely matching one on the gumout website is the "gas treatment" one.
Bigger picture and some details of the "gas treatment" product here.

There's a health warning on the label, but no flammable liquid warning. Perhaps that's normal in the US/Texas? Selling flammable liquid without a warning?

You know, by now it wouldn't surprise me if the person who threw this thing was an anti-choice protester herself who wanted to pretend that she and her ilk were being targeted for violence and that "the other side is just as bad" by throwing something that's not actually flammable at some protesters.

[AiliailiA]

hmm. it is. i was initially confused but it would basically reverse the nature of the attack.

Indeed. If she was throwing it at the building (which happened to be surrounded by people who are harassing patients), it might have landed short and fallen among the people harassing patients, even if they were not the intended target.

People shouldn't be throwing around Molotov cocktails anyway, but the attacker's motivation would be entirely different (not that either Breitbart or LifeNews would have any interest in reporting an attack on a Planned Parenthood clinic since they'd both support this action).

The bottle didn't break because it landed on grass. Apparently the clinic has high fences around it, and the pictures show the grass to be outside the fence as well as in. However, the crucial information is the testimony of Ruth Allwein that she went up to the bottle and stamped out the "smoldering" cloth with her foot.*

The bottle had to be on the outside of the fence for her to do that. Further evidence is that TV cameras got close to it with no fence in the way.

If Melanie Toney was trying to throw the bottle at the center rather than at/near the protestors, she did an unbelievably half-assed job of it.

*(Interesting actually that Brietbart left that out, perhaps it doesn't fit with his idea of how peaceful protestors should behave. Maybe he'd prefer if they'd sat there and got set on fire ...)

[Dakini]

If Melanie Toney was trying to throw the bottle at the center rather than at/near the protestors, she did an unbelievably half-assed job of it.

Or she's trying to throw a Molotov cocktail out of her passenger side window while she's driving a car and therefore threw it really badly. I doubt most people could do better with one hand on the wheel.

[AiliailiA]

Pictures from the sources show the Gumout bottle to have a red label.

The most closely matching one on the gumout website is the "gas treatment" one.
Bigger picture and some details of the "gas treatment" product here.

There's a health warning on the label, but no flammable liquid warning. Perhaps that's normal in the US/Texas? Selling flammable liquid without a warning?

You know, by now it wouldn't surprise me if the person who threw this thing was an anti-choice protester herself who wanted to pretend that she and her ilk were being targeted for violence and that "the other side is just as bad" by throwing something that's not actually flammable at some protesters.

As with pretty much any crime we have threads about, we won't know until it's been to trial.

By which time it will be "old news" and we'll be speculating about some other crime instead

[Consumer Regulated Donuts]

Pictures from the sources show the Gumout bottle to have a red label.

The most closely matching one on the gumout website is the "gas treatment" one.
Bigger picture and some details of the "gas treatment" product here.

There's a health warning on the label, but no flammable liquid warning. Perhaps that's normal in the US/Texas? Selling flammable liquid without a warning?

You know, by now it wouldn't surprise me if the person who threw this thing was an anti-choice protester herself who wanted to pretend that she and her ilk were being targeted for violence and that "the other side is just as bad" by throwing something that's not actually flammable at some protesters.

There might be credibility for that (won't know until the trial) but for now that is just a blatant excuse and you have your tin foil hat on.

[Behike]

When prolifers do this stuff they generalise all of them as militant fundamentalists. But when prochoicers do this they are quick to point out the offender was a lone wolf or a exceptional rare that doesnt represent prochoice ideals

[Dakini]

You know, by now it wouldn't surprise me if the person who threw this thing was an anti-choice protester herself who wanted to pretend that she and her ilk were being targeted for violence and that "the other side is just as bad" by throwing something that's not actually flammable at some protesters.

There might be credibility for that (won't know until the trial) but for now that is just a blatant excuse and you have your tin foil hat on.

It's not an excuse. I think it's pretty terrible to throw Molotov cocktails at anyone, but if someone's going to throw a Molotov cocktail with a bottle that isn't even full of flammable liquid, it suggests that they might not even be trying to actually hurt someone.

Either that or they're just super incompetent.

[Dakini]

When prolifers do this stuff they generalise all of them as militant fundamentalists. But when prochoicers do this they are quick to point out the offender was a lone wolf or a exceptional rare that doesnt represent prochoice ideals

We don't even know this person's actual motive here.

Also, there have been many fewer attacks on anti-choice groups than there have been going the other way.

[South East Europe]

No, really? What does that have to do with this argument? You support a crazy whore trying to kill innocents?

1. You implied I was a Muslim by saying I love Christians being beheaded by extremists.

2. In my totalitarian POV, they are not innocent.

Um, monotheistic and muslim are not always the same thing, a muslim is Islamic, a monotheistic person believes in one God.

[AiliailiA]

There might be credibility for that (won't know until the trial) but for now that is just a blatant excuse and you have your tin foil hat on.

It's not an excuse. I think it's pretty terrible to throw Molotov cocktails at anyone, but if someone's going to throw a Molotov cocktail with a bottle that isn't even full of flammable liquid, it suggests that they might not even be trying to actually hurt someone.

Either that or they're just super incompetent.

Incompetantrum. Super power: fubar.

She used the wrong petrol. She didn't douse the cloth in fuel. She drove her own car. She tried to cover up the numberplate but failed. She got arrested 3 blocks from the clinic. She made some kind of confession to police after being arrested for a felony.

Yup. Incompetent.

[Edgy Opinions]

When prolifers do this stuff they generalise all of them as militant fundamentalists. But when prochoicers do this they are quick to point out the offender was a lone wolf or a exceptional rare that doesnt represent prochoice ideals

Yes, because people who hate anti-choice legislation exactly because it limits the bodily autonomy of women and as a consequence kills a number of them would totally be up to directly murder some.

[British Home Counties]

please don't throw molotov cocktails at people

i think this polite internet request will stop molotov throwing forever

[Socialist Tera]

Ah, the irony, years ago abortion clinics were being bombed by pro life supporters.

[Ermarian]

Yeah, I don't think anyone thinks this is okay. The fact that specific anti-abortion activists have murdered people in the past does not justify violence against anti-abortion activists in general.

[Ethel mermania]

Holy fuck!

I'm glad no one was injured.

No one should ever do this sort of thing.

Morally unacceptable and politically a terrible move.

I hope she's caught, and I hope that this incident doesn't become the focus of the argument, though I suspect that it might.

That seems to be the general opinion, throwing fire bombs at people is bad, and those who do so should go to jail.

I am not sure what else we are to discuss.

[Paixao]

I mean, I don't think the bible thumpers should've been outside an abortion clinic. If you're undecided and already feel guilty about an abortion, its not going to help to have a bunch of wackos saying they'll pray for your soul or that you'll burn in hell as you go in. I'm sure that virtually all mothers that go through with an abortion do so with a heavy heart, no need for some inconsiderate people to go forcing their views on said mothers at such an unfortunate time.

I've seen people like this told off for protesting outside abortion clinics in Europe, because, quite frankly, it is inconsiderate, threatening and rude to mothers. Their telling off is completely justified. Sure, go ahead and espouse your views, but don't go and do it outside a place where you'll often find young mothers already wracked with guilt making a very hard decision - that's just plain threatening.

That said... a firebomb is perhaps a little much.

[The Wrestling Ring]

The people who subtly condone acts of terrorism against peaceful protesters who aren't breaking the law disturb me. You can't justify attacks on a group of Christians just because three or four Christians went around bombing abortion clinics and killing doctors a decade ago.

Let's face it. Considering how much violence is done against Christians in this day and age, can anyone really cast doubt on the woman's motive? She threw a molotov at peaceful protesters outside of an abortion clinic.

This madwoman should be charged with commiting an act of terrorism.

[The Wolven League]

I mean, I don't think the bible thumpers should've been outside an abortion clinic. If you're undecided and already feel guilty about an abortion, its not going to help to have a bunch of wackos saying they'll pray for your soul or that you'll burn in hell as you go in.

'Nuff said.

[Insaeldor]

So first it was Bombing abortion clinics now we've got molotovs thrown at pro-lifers? Damn people really are fucking stupid.

Needless to say this woman should be chargers with whatever this specific act falls under and be judged by a jury of her peers and hopefully receive the maximum possible sentence because we really don't need people like her walking around in society.

[Lordieth]

Please don't throw Molotov cocktails at people, and while we're on the subject, please don't harass and vilify people exercising their right to abortion.

[Benuty]

Please don't throw Molotov cocktails at people, and while we're on the subject, please don't harass and vilify people exercising their right to abortion.

How else are people going to slut shame in a pseudo-socially acceptable context?

[Imperializt Russia]

The statement by the director of the Coalition for Life actually makes no sense whatsoever. And is basically just trying to legitimise anti-abortion stance.

[Lordieth]

Please don't throw Molotov cocktails at people, and while we're on the subject, please don't harass and vilify people exercising their right to abortion.

How else are people going to slut shame in a pseudo-socially acceptable context?

By praying, obviously. Their god can hear their prayers from the comfort of their very own homes. I think it's exceptionally intrusive, and somewhat distasteful to protest outside of abortion clinics. They're well within their right to protest, but people are entitled to privacy and shouldn't be subjected to being victimised during what is clearly an extremely difficult moment in their lives.

[MERIZoC]

Lets not throw molotov cocktails, people. It doesn't tend to end well.