Woman throws molotov at prolife activists.

[Aelex]

What are you even going on about?

Look.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appropriate

appropriate
[adj. uh-proh-pree-it; v. uh-proh-pree-eyt]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
suitable or fitting for a particular purpose, person, occasion, etc.:
an appropriate example; an appropriate dress.





Stop using words so boldly, if you don't know their definition. It really isn't that complex.

Did you even understood that you just linked a definition fitting to what I said?
Violence is a suitable way to express yourself and to make people hear what you say, and is a way many people choose to use.
Is it a good way? Sometime yes, but most of the time no.

[Settrah]

Did you even understood that you just linked a definition fitting to what I said?
Violence is a suitable way to express yourself and to make people hear what you say, and is a way many people choose to use.
Is it a good way? Sometime yes, but most of the time no.

In terms of it being practical, sure, if a person wants to cause further mayhem to get their voice heard... it is a POSSIBLE solution. A terrible one though.

What you were doing, is implying it's perfectly ok to throw a cocktail in front of a crowd, as long as it's not at them.

[Aelex]

The first post after you used the word, tried to educate you about the meaning of the word. Nothing that came after was necessary, if you'd just said "OK thanks" and rephrased your opinion with some other word.

And anyone who didn't respect that would be getting some criticism from me now.

Indeed, sorry to have make it escalade, it's just that I hate condescension...I guess I'll just follow your advice and try to rephrase it.

Throwing molotov is a way among many others to make a point. It's not a good way for doing so because violence is not really good for rallying people to your cause, but it's still a way to make people talk of you, at least.

[Novus Kanaan]

It doesnt matter whether you´re pro life or pro choice or other. Throwing Molotov Cocktails around has no justification whatsoever. to claim it does is supporting terrorism.

[AiliailiA]

The first post after you used the word, tried to educate you about the meaning of the word. Nothing that came after was necessary, if you'd just said "OK thanks" and rephrased your opinion with some other word.

And anyone who didn't respect that would be getting some criticism from me now.

Indeed, sorry to have make it escalade, it's just that I hate condescension...I guess I'll just follow your advice and try to rephrase it.

Throwing molotov is a way among many others to make a point. It's not a good way for doing so because violence is not really good for rallying people to your cause, but it's still a way to make people talk of you, at least.

I do think violence as a form of protest is a terrible way of rallying people to a cause. Planned violence, when protestors know there will be TV cameras and with their form of "protest" take all the coverage the demonstration may get, drown out the message of the usually far more numerous peaceful protestors.

As a peaceful protestor myself, I resent the hell out of that. As far as I'm concerned, the armed and disguised thugs who try to initiate a violent confrontation with police are enemies of the protest. If they turn up smelling of petrol, I say perform a citizen's arrest on them and turn them over to police at the earliest possible moment.

[AiliailiA]

It doesnt matter whether you´re pro life or pro choice or other. Throwing Molotov Cocktails around has no justification whatsoever. to claim it does is supporting terrorism.

Throwing molotovs in public, at or near people, has no justification whatsoever. I'm with you up to there. But "terrorism" is such a strong word, and given the laws in the US, UK and other countries which criminalize "supporting terrorism" in material ways, I think you have crossed the line. You're describing a "claim" ... ie, words, attempts to justify, arguments for ... as supporting terrorism.

And that's just a bit too close to criminalizing political speech for my taste.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

Indeed, sorry to have make it escalade, it's just that I hate condescension...I guess I'll just follow your advice and try to rephrase it.

Throwing molotov is a way among many others to make a point. It's not a good way for doing so because violence is not really good for rallying people to your cause, but it's still a way to make people talk of you, at least.

I do think violence as a form of protest is a terrible way of rallying people to a cause. Planned violence, when protestors know there will be TV cameras and with their form of "protest" take all the coverage the demonstration may get, drown out the message of the usually far more numerous peaceful protestors.

As a peaceful protestor myself, I resent the hell out of that. As far as I'm concerned, the armed and disguised thugs who try to initiate a violent confrontation with police are enemies of the protest. If they turn up smelling of petrol, I say perform a citizen's arrest on them and turn them over to police at the earliest possible moment.

Citizen's Arrest huh? Haven't heard that term since the boyscouts.

[AiliailiA]

It's interesting that anything bomb-like is so feared.

Remote-controlled bombs are something to fear. Concealed bombs with timers, something to fear. But a hand-held bomb, even a well-constructed one like a hand grenade, poses less threat than a gun does.

If someone threatens you with a hand grenade, and you have a gun, you'd just shoot them.


Bombs are a horrible weapon to be sure. The idea that the place you're in might be suddenly blown up, with the bomb-planter safely away, and victims


People who want to throw molotov cocktails should be allowed to, though.

On private property. Preferably on property licensed as a business, so it's subject to safety inspections. But if they want to throw molotov cocktails in their own backyard, I'm not seeing the problem. If they screw up and set fire to their own house, they lose their house and insurance won't pay out. If they screw up and set fire to a neighbour's property, they can be sued. If anyone dies or is injured as a result of such backyard fun, they can be criminally charged with anything from reckless endangerment to manslaugher.

I do think violence as a form of protest is a terrible way of rallying people to a cause. Planned violence, when protestors know there will be TV cameras and with their form of "protest" take all the coverage the demonstration may get, drown out the message of the usually far more numerous peaceful protestors.

As a peaceful protestor myself, I resent the hell out of that. As far as I'm concerned, the armed and disguised thugs who try to initiate a violent confrontation with police are enemies of the protest. If they turn up smelling of petrol, I say perform a citizen's arrest on them and turn them over to police at the earliest possible moment.

Citizen's Arrest huh? Haven't heard that term since the boyscouts.

It's a risky thing to do. If the "suspect" resists it will likely involve some kind of violence, threat of a weapon, illegal imprisonment, or something else which puts the arrestor in legal jeopardy. Citizens don't have anything like the lattitude police have to use force to make an arrest.

If there was just one of me against just one suspect, I might attempt a citizen's arrest by verbal means. But I would definitely not attempt to restrain them if they just walked away. I wouldn't lay a finger on them, to effect the arrest.

Protests however are not just one-on-one. The violent elements may turn up in groups, but even so they are vastly outnumbered by law-abiding protestors. If five or six ordinary protestors were prepared to lay hands on one violent protestor, there wouldn't be any violence other than that initiated by the violent protestor being arrested. Other non-violent protestors would document the whole thing with video. And the nearest cop is at most 100 metres away, and will immediately recognize petrol bombs in the possession of the suspect as grounds for arrest. It's just about ideal circumstances for a citizen's arrest.

Protestors sometimes hire private security. That's an option too. Though I really can't see any justification for an employee of a security firm to have more power of civilian arrest than any other citizen has. They don't have any more power in law, but they have financial backing which makes it harder to prosecute them or to sue them. It's crap, it's corrupt, but it's an option.

[Hallo Island]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/03/24/molotov-cocktail-thrown-at-pro-life-activists-outside-austin-planned-parenthood/

by Sarah Rumpf24 Mar 2015Austin, TX1045

AUSTIN, Texas — The Austin Police Department arrested a woman last night after a “Molotov cocktail” was thrown at pro-life activists praying outside of an Austin Planned Parenthood abortion facility. A Molotov cocktail is a type of homemade incendiary device usually incorporating gasoline, a breakable glass bottle, and a wick that is lit before the device is thrown.

According to a report by LifeNews.com, volunteers with the pro-life groups Central Texas Coalition for Life and 40 Days for Life were praying outside the abortion facility in South Austin when the woman drove up and threw the Molotov cocktail at them. Fortunately, one of the volunteers quickly stomped out the flames and no one was injured. The volunteers wrote down the woman’s license plate and reported it to the police.
Molotov cocktail thrown at pro-life activists outside Austin Planned Parenthood. Courtesy of Central Texas Coalition for Life.

Molotov cocktail thrown at pro-life activists outside an Austin Planned Parenthood. Courtesy of Central Texas Coalition for Life.

According to a report by KXAN Austin, the Planned Parenthood clinic involved is on East Ben White Boulevard near South Congress. Planned Parenthood told KXAN none of their staff and patients were injured or affected by the incident.

Breitbart Texas contacted the Austin Police Department, and their public information officer confirmed that they did receive a call and a woman was arrested at an Austin Planned Parenthood. They were unable to release any specifics about what she threw; their report “just said that something was on fire in the call.”

The case has not been assigned to a detective yet, according to the Austin Police Department. It has not been determined whether they will handle the case or give it to another agency. There may possibly be federal issues involved.

The Central Texas Coalition for Life members told LifeNews.com that they were grateful no one was hurt and would be praying for the woman.

“We know that many women are hurting from past abortion experiences,” said Executive Director Heather Gardner. “One of the ways people sometimes lash out is through anger and violence. We pray for this woman and pray for healing in her heart if she is hurting from a past abortion.”

“We are so thankful that none of our courageous volunteers were injured during the incident,” said Gardner. “Because of their quick actions, the woman responsible was apprehended and will be held accountable.”

Board President Abby Johnson added, “In the culture of death perpetrated by abortion supporters, it is no surprise that they would respond to our pro-life efforts in this violent way. We must remember that this type of incident is very rare and it will in no way deter us from offering real options to women walking into abortion facilities. We are here to promote peace in and out of the womb, something abortion supporters do not understand.”

Breitbart Texas will provide updates to this story if more information becomes available.

what says nsg? I personally think that his is a disgusting attack on both the freedom on speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of expression. The women were not trying to harm anyone, they were simply exercising their constitutional rights in a peaceful manner. If they were being belligerent, it would be different, but I see no evidence to suggest that they were.

IS TRYING TO TAKE A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO HER BODY NOT BELLIGERENT?!

jesus

[Farnhamia]

The irony. To think after all these years of pro-life fanatics slaughtering abortion patients and doctors around the world that somebody might decide to reciprocate in similar fashion. I guess it's the old adage of getting what's coming to you; surely you can't possibly be surprised that targeting abortion clinics with violence results in more violence? If the story is even true, of which I have my doubts, perhaps the pro-life movement might be inspired to do a better job of encouraging people not to murder abortion clinic staff?

you dont show proof so stfu,
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives ... pro-lifer/
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives ... t-beating/
http://www.operationrescue.org/archives ... on-clinic/
proof that this happens to pro life activists, so f*** you

Yes, well, when your anger rises to such a pitch that "f*** you" seems like a reasonable retort, step away. Seriously, you have a clean record, don't spoil it by lashing out this way.

[The Rich Port]

This attack is disgusting. This woman was acting like a communist revolutionary against peaceful activists.

The irony. To think after all these years of pro-life fanatics slaughtering abortion patients and doctors around the world that somebody might decide to reciprocate in similar fashion. I guess it's the old adage of getting what's coming to you; surely you can't possibly be surprised that targeting abortion clinics with violence results in more violence? If the story is even true, of which I have my doubts, perhaps the pro-life movement might be inspired to do a better job of encouraging people not to murder abortion clinic staff?

Sadly, the best thing we coulda done for the pro-choice movement was to not meet violence with violence.

God knows how much they're going to ramp, spin and hype up this minor incident.

[Gold Harbor]

And yet the 8 people killed in attacks on abortion clinics are put at the same level as the thousands killed by Islamic Jihad. Liberal propaganda fail.

Thank you so much for pissing on the graves of these 8 people for the sake of making us liberals look dumb.

Thank you so much for pissing on the graves of thousands of people for the sake of defending islam.

[The Rich Port]

Thank you so much for pissing on the graves of these 8 people for the sake of making us liberals look dumb.

Thank you so much for pissing on the graves of thousands of people for the sake of defending islam.

XD When the fuck have I ever done that

[Cannot think of a name]

Thank you so much for pissing on the graves of these 8 people for the sake of making us liberals look dumb.

Thank you so much for pissing on the graves of thousands of people for the sake of defending islam.

I was trying to figure out what the hell you were on about then I realized...


You're not used to being on this side of an event, you don't know what to do. This is something one would do if someone on their side of an ideology did a shitty thing, you just start randomly bringing up as many other shitty things or dubiously shitty things in a unrelated stream of nonsense so that whatever we do, we're not having that uncomfortable conversation about the shitty thing someone who tangentially agrees with you did.

But presented with a situation where you're on the opposite side of this, you don't know what to do so you just operate on muscle memory.

It makes perfect sense now.

[Nazi Flower Power]

No that literally is what you said. You said it was an appropriate way to express anger. Appropriate meaning proper, or norm.

You literally just said it was a good way to respond to anger.

God forbid a world where we firebomb our surroundings, just because we've had a bad day.

Appropriate way =/= good way.
Still, I guess you're not aware that political bombing was (and is still) a quite "normal" way to express your opinion?

I meant appropriate as in morally acceptable.

[Scomagia]

It doesnt matter whether you´re pro life or pro choice or other. Throwing Molotov Cocktails around has no justification whatsoever. to claim it does is supporting terrorism.

I wish people would stop trying to apply "terrorism" to fucking everything.

[Dakini]

On a vaguely related note, someone vandalized Mississippi's last remaining abortion clinic recently. Unlike the Molotov cocktail, this attack actually did some damage.

[Nazi Flower Power]

On a vaguely related note, someone vandalized Mississippi's last remaining abortion clinic recently. Unlike the Molotov cocktail, this attack actually did some damage.

Am I the only one whose reaction to this is: Why is there a whole state with only one abortion clinic? It's a pretty big state, too. My definition of "big" may be influenced by living in New England, where all the states except Maine are stupidly tiny, but this could still be a real problem for some people in Mississippi -- especially since they have a high rate of teen pregnancy.

[Godular]

On a vaguely related note, someone vandalized Mississippi's last remaining abortion clinic recently. Unlike the Molotov cocktail, this attack actually did some damage.

Am I the only one whose reaction to this is: Why is there a whole state with only one abortion clinic? It's a pretty big state, too. My definition of "big" may be influenced by living in New England, where all the states except Maine are stupidly tiny, but this could still be a real problem for some people in Mississippi -- especially since they have a high rate of teen pregnancy.

I suspect the answer to that is "Because JHEEZHUS!!"

[Dakini]

On a vaguely related note, someone vandalized Mississippi's last remaining abortion clinic recently. Unlike the Molotov cocktail, this attack actually did some damage.

Am I the only one whose reaction to this is: Why is there a whole state with only one abortion clinic? It's a pretty big state, too. My definition of "big" may be influenced by living in New England, where all the states except Maine are stupidly tiny, but this could still be a real problem for some people in Mississippi -- especially since they have a high rate of teen pregnancy.

You didn't know that? Mississippi has basically kept passing anti-choice legislation keeping abortion clinics from operating until only one remained. It's even trying to shut that one down.

Mississippi is an awful place.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Am I the only one whose reaction to this is: Why is there a whole state with only one abortion clinic? It's a pretty big state, too. My definition of "big" may be influenced by living in New England, where all the states except Maine are stupidly tiny, but this could still be a real problem for some people in Mississippi -- especially since they have a high rate of teen pregnancy.

I suspect the answer to that is "Because JHEEZHUS!!"

That's why you hang witches. It's no excuse for denying women access to medical services.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Am I the only one whose reaction to this is: Why is there a whole state with only one abortion clinic? It's a pretty big state, too. My definition of "big" may be influenced by living in New England, where all the states except Maine are stupidly tiny, but this could still be a real problem for some people in Mississippi -- especially since they have a high rate of teen pregnancy.

You didn't know that? Mississippi has basically kept passing anti-choice legislation keeping abortion clinics from operating until only one remained. It's even trying to shut that one down.

Mississippi is an awful place.

I knew Mississippi was a shitty state. I just didn't know it was shitty in this specific way.

[Godular]

I suspect the answer to that is "Because JHEEZHUS!!"

That's why you hang witches. It's no excuse for denying women access to medical services.

You would be surprised at what "Because JHEEZHUS!!" is used to justify.

Or you wouldn't. People will use religion to justify some awful shit.

Though if I recall properly, Mississippi has a time honored tradition of needing to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era.

[Nazi Flower Power]

That's why you hang witches. It's no excuse for denying women access to medical services.

You would be surprised at what "Because JHEEZHUS!!" is used to justify.

Or you wouldn't. People will use religion to justify some awful shit.

Like hanging witches?

Though if I recall properly, Mississippi has a time honored tradition of needing to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era.

Yes. The problem is that they have been gaining weight and they are getting harder to drag.

[Godular]

You would be surprised at what "Because JHEEZHUS!!" is used to justify.

Or you wouldn't. People will use religion to justify some awful shit.

Like hanging witches?

Though if I recall properly, Mississippi has a time honored tradition of needing to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era.

Yes. The problem is that they have been gaining weight and they are getting harder to drag.

1.Ayup.

2. Getting ornery, too.