Woman throws molotov at prolife activists.

[Cannot think of a name]

A small bit of new information:

The son of a woman who police say threw a Molotov cocktail at a group of women praying in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic on Monday said his family is trying to understand what happened. Melanie Toney was charged with aggravated assault after the incident.
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“I am very happy no one was hurt due to this incident,” Toney’s son said in a Facebook message. “I love my mom very much and would prefer to focus on getting her the help she needs.”

Toney’s LinkedIn account said she used to work in medical sales in Austin and California records show she’s a registered nurse. Her son, who lives in California, said his mother never worked for Planned Parenthood or any similar organization.

[Aelex]

Because a right exist, doesn't mean that we "can't" inhibit it. We are successfully inhibiting the right to bodily integrity, at least in some nations.

It's arbitrary, also. When is a house a house? When the plot is purchased, the fundament laid, or you are given the keys? It's somewhere in between.

From the Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen:
" Men are born and remain free and equal in rights."; they are born equal.

[Draakonite]

Because a right exist, doesn't mean that we "can't" inhibit it. We are successfully inhibiting the right to bodily integrity, at least in some nations.

It's arbitrary, also. When is a house a house? When the plot is purchased, the fundament laid, or you are given the keys? It's somewhere in between.

From the Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen:
" Men are born and remain free and equal in rights."; they are born equal.

Should we base current morality on a 200 year old document?

[The Rich Port]

No it isn't. If that were the case, we couldn't kill bacteria or cows or serial killers. Also, I never said it was because of religion.

And "at conception" or "in the womb" isn't arbitrary?

Because a right exist, doesn't mean that we "can't" inhibit it. We are successfully inhibiting the right to bodily integrity, at least in some nations.

It's arbitrary, also. When is a house a house? When the plot is purchased, the fundament laid, or you are given the keys? It's somewhere in between.

... What?

Also, metaphor fail. A house is a house when it has a roof and walls, not before. A plot is a plot, a foundation is a foundation. You can't call the foundation of a house a house. It's a POTENTIAL house.

Are you going to next claim that there's human analogues to huts, shacks and apartment buildings?

[Aelex]

Should we base current morality on a 200 year old document?

Well, most of today morality is based 1)On religious idea developped since the Antiquity or 2)On Lumières Idea...
The first is roughly one millenary and half old, the second is a little bit younger but still three hundreds years olds...

[Draakonite]

Because a right exist, doesn't mean that we "can't" inhibit it. We are successfully inhibiting the right to bodily integrity, at least in some nations.

It's arbitrary, also. When is a house a house? When the plot is purchased, the fundament laid, or you are given the keys? It's somewhere in between.

... What?

Also, metaphor fail. A house is a house when it has a roof and walls, not before. A plot is a plot, a foundation is a foundation. You can't call the foundation of a house a house. It's a POTENTIAL house.

Are you going to next claim that there's human analogues to huts, shacks and apartment buildings?

It's not a metaphor fail. A plot and a fundament aren't houses only because they can become one. At the same time, a house is a house, even when the colour of the walls needs to dry, before proclaiming the building "finished".

[Aelex]

It's not a metaphor fail. A plot and a fundament aren't houses only because they can become one. At the same time, a house is a house, even when the colour of the walls needs to dry, before proclaiming the building "finished".

It's a metaphor fail. An house is an house only when it's finished. Before it's an house which is being constructed, nothing more, nothing less.

[The Rich Port]

... What?

Also, metaphor fail. A house is a house when it has a roof and walls, not before. A plot is a plot, a foundation is a foundation. You can't call the foundation of a house a house. It's a POTENTIAL house.

Are you going to next claim that there's human analogues to huts, shacks and apartment buildings?

It's not a metaphor fail. A plot and a fundament aren't houses only because they can become one. At the same time, a house is a house, even when the colour of the walls needs to dry, before proclaiming the building "finished".

... Then what are they?

A house without running water or electricity or proper insulation or even a roof that doesn't leak is a pretty shitty house; probably inhumane to force someone to live in it.

[Draakonite]

It's not a metaphor fail. A plot and a fundament aren't houses only because they can become one. At the same time, a house is a house, even when the colour of the walls needs to dry, before proclaiming the building "finished".

It's a metaphor fail. An house is an house only when it's finished. Before it's an house which is being constructed, nothing more, nothing less.

The poster above seemed to disagree, saying that it only needs a roof and walls ^^

It's not a metaphor fail. A plot and a fundament aren't houses only because they can become one. At the same time, a house is a house, even when the colour of the walls needs to dry, before proclaiming the building "finished".

... Then what are they?

A house without running water or electricity or proper insulation or even a roof that doesn't leak is a pretty shitty house; probably inhumane to force someone to live in it.

This should be a simple metaphor... To get back to a point, rights seem to have a value. Personally, i would inhibit a humans right to bodily integrity temporary, to protect someone elses right to life. Which brings us back to the question when is something a human.
My personal opinion on that matter, 10 minutes after conception it probably isn't. 10 minutes before birth it propably is. I will leave setting tolerances and proper dates to others.

[The Rich Port]

It's a metaphor fail. An house is an house only when it's finished. Before it's an house which is being constructed, nothing more, nothing less.

The poster above seemed to disagree, saying that it only needs a roof and walls ^^

... Then what are they?

A house without running water or electricity or proper insulation or even a roof that doesn't leak is a pretty shitty house; probably inhumane to force someone to live in it.

This should be a simple metaphor... To get back to a point, rights seem to have a value. Personally, i would inhibit a humans right to bodily integrity temporary, to protect someone elses right to life. Which brings us back to the question when is something a human.
My personal opinion on that matter, 10 minutes after conception it probably isn't. 10 minutes before birth it propably is. I will leave setting tolerances and proper dates to others.

Too bad it was a shitty metaphor.

[Jumalariik]

Is it just me, or is there a double standard here?
When there was that truly unfortunate attack on the furry convention, people who supported it were deleted, while here, people say that this attack was justified with no punishment as far as I know.
(I condemn both attacks just to be clear. If there were punishments please tell me, I'm on a phone with weak connection.)

[Cannot think of a name]

Is it just me, or is there a double standard here?
When there was that truly unfortunate attack on the furry convention, people who supported it were deleted, while here, people say that it was justified with no punishment as far as I know.
(I condemn both attacks just to be clear. If there were punishments please tell me, I'm on a phone with weak connection.)

Who has said it was justified?

[Jumalariik]

Is it just me, or is there a double standard here?
When there was that truly unfortunate attack on the furry convention, people who supported it were deleted, while here, people say that it was justified with no punishment as far as I know.
(I condemn both attacks just to be clear. If there were punishments please tell me, I'm on a phone with weak connection.)

Who has said it was justified?

The wolven league I think... The one who calls himself a totalitarian...
Hope that helps.

[Dakini]

A small bit of new information:

The son of a woman who police say threw a Molotov cocktail at a group of women praying in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic on Monday said his family is trying to understand what happened. Melanie Toney was charged with aggravated assault after the incident.
...
“I am very happy no one was hurt due to this incident,” Toney’s son said in a Facebook message. “I love my mom very much and would prefer to focus on getting her the help she needs.”

Toney’s LinkedIn account said she used to work in medical sales in Austin and California records show she’s a registered nurse. Her son, who lives in California, said his mother never worked for Planned Parenthood or any similar organization.

So we still don't know why she did this, basically.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

This should be a simple metaphor... To get back to a point, rights seem to have a value. Personally, i would inhibit a humans right to bodily integrity temporary, to protect someone elses right to life. Which brings us back to the question when is something a human.
My personal opinion on that matter, 10 minutes after conception it probably isn't. 10 minutes before birth it propably is. I will leave setting tolerances and proper dates to others.

The least arbitrary, most consistent line we can draw there is initiation of brain activity. We declare death when a brain ceases measurable activity. Thoughts and memories cannot form before the brain starts firing up. Brain activity has never been shown earlier than 25 weeks.

[Gold Harbor]

If it was a pro life doing this to pro-choice people it would be all over the news. Bias much?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

If it was a pro life doing this to pro-choice people it would be all over the news. Bias much?

Doubtful. Probably would be the same situation.

[Dakini]

If it was a pro life doing this to pro-choice people it would be all over the news. Bias much?

Considering that nobody was hurt, probably not.

Also, we still don't know what this woman's motives were. As far as we know, she was trying to throw that thing at the clinic, not at the assholes who were out there harassing patients.

[The 93rd Coalition]

This attack is disgusting. This woman was acting like a communist revolutionary against peaceful activists.

Irony, kind of. I mean, not really, but in a way.

[Cannot think of a name]

A small bit of new information:

So we still don't know why she did this, basically.

Basically. No, wait...I think some stump preacher said it was a wake up call from god, but I can't find that story now so maybe I just made that up. Or my google fu is no good.

If it was a pro life doing this to pro-choice people it would be all over the news. Bias much?

Yeah! Remember when this was all over the news in 2011? I mean, I don't, I only found this trying to find that stupid preacher story, but...yeah. Sure.

[The Rich Port]

So we still don't know why she did this, basically.

Basically. No, wait...I think some stump preacher said it was a wake up call from god, but I can't find that story now so maybe I just made that up. Or my google fu is no good.

If it was a pro life doing this to pro-choice people it would be all over the news. Bias much?

Yeah! Remember when this was all over the news in 2011? I mean, I don't, I only found this trying to find that stupid preacher story, but...yeah. Sure.

Satan Himself, The Great and Deceitful, couldn't kill that woman with that shit.

[Geilinor]

From the Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen:
" Men are born and remain free and equal in rights."; they are born equal.

Should we base current morality on a 200 year old document?

Should our current morality be based on even older documents? There's the Code of Hammurabi, but I don't think you'd like that.

[Gold Harbor]

So we still don't know why she did this, basically.

Basically. No, wait...I think some stump preacher said it was a wake up call from god, but I can't find that story now so maybe I just made that up. Or my google fu is no good.

If it was a pro life doing this to pro-choice people it would be all over the news. Bias much?

Yeah! Remember when this was all over the news in 2011? I mean, I don't, I only found this trying to find that stupid preacher story, but...yeah. Sure.

And yet the 8 people killed in attacks on abortion clinics are put at the same level as the thousands killed by Islamic Jihad. Liberal propaganda fail.

[Pope Joan]

Montenegro fans threw a flare into the face of Russia's goalkeeper just now.

I can't help harboring less favorable opinions of groups whose members do such things.

Maybe the pro choice folks should forfeit a match, like Montenegro will.

[Dakini]

Basically. No, wait...I think some stump preacher said it was a wake up call from god, but I can't find that story now so maybe I just made that up. Or my google fu is no good.

Yeah! Remember when this was all over the news in 2011? I mean, I don't, I only found this trying to find that stupid preacher story, but...yeah. Sure.

And yet the 8 people killed in attacks on abortion clinics are put at the same level as the thousands killed by Islamic Jihad. Liberal propaganda fail.

lol, whut?

Montenegro fans threw a flare into the face of Russia's goalkeeper just now.

I can't help harboring less favorable opinions of groups whose members do such things.

Maybe the pro choice folks should forfeit a match, like Montenegro will.

We don't even know that this lady is pro-choice.