Woman throws molotov at prolife activists.

[Qeno]

what says nsg? I personally think that his is a disgusting attack on both the freedom on speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of expression. The women were not trying to harm anyone, they were simply exercising their constitutional rights in a peaceful manner. If they were being belligerent, it would be different, but I see no evidence to suggest that they were.

You know what they say

"Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned"

[The Rich Port]

Yes, one person's actions clearly mean we all hate freedom.

Reading through this thread it's clear it's more than one person that don't respect the right to be pro-life...

I'm ashamed of some of my fellow pro-choicers in here. Disgusting.

We don't hate freedom.

We "hate" (disagree with) pro-lifers.

Who actually hate freedom.

[Galloism]

Reading through this thread it's clear it's more than one person that don't respect the right to be pro-life...

I'm ashamed of some of my fellow pro-choicers in here. Disgusting.

We don't hate freedom.

We hate pro-lifers.

Who actually hate freedom.

Speak for yourself. I don't hate prolifers. I don't have time.

I can't hate everyone who is wrong/displays cognitive dissonance. No time.

[The Rich Port]

We don't hate freedom.

We hate pro-lifers.

Who actually hate freedom.

Speak for yourself. I don't hate prolifers. I don't have time.

I can't hate everyone who is wrong/displays cognitive dissonance. No time.

Eh, good point...

[The Union of the West]

That's horrible. Violence is not a good way to support a political cause. It just makes your cause look bad.

But NSG will probably defend it...

[Cannot think of a name]

That's horrible. Violence is not a good way to support a political cause. It just makes your cause look bad.

But NSG will probably defend it...

The thread is ten pages long...not only did your 'prediction' come in late, but you still got it wrong.

[The Union of the West]

That's horrible. Violence is not a good way to support a political cause. It just makes your cause look bad.

But NSG will probably defend it...

The thread is ten pages long...not only did your 'prediction' come in late, but you still got it wrong.

Well, there were a couple posts to the effect of "I'm not upset that this happened." But I suppose you're right about outright defending it.

10 pages isn't that long for an NSG thread.

[Norstal]

Abortion is murder. Wearing condom is murder. Using birth-pills is murder. Tolerating Islam is murder. Getting vaccinated is murder. Gay marriage is murder. Taxation is murder.

What isn't murder to you people?

Where are you getting your facts about pro-life activists? None of us believe that any of the last 4 are murder.

Why is it that you guys get to make generalizations about how abortions are murder and I can't generalize anything?

Don't get butthurt when someone uses the same weapons that you made.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

That's horrible. Violence is not a good way to support a political cause. It just makes your cause look bad.

But NSG will probably defend it...

NSG didn't defend it, and it's unconfirmed that it was meant to support a political cause.

[The Union of the West]

That's horrible. Violence is not a good way to support a political cause. It just makes your cause look bad.

But NSG will probably defend it...

NSG didn't defend it, and it's unconfirmed that it was meant to support a political cause.

Why else would someone throw a molotov cocktail at political activists? For fun?

[Norstal]

NSG didn't defend it, and it's unconfirmed that it was meant to support a political cause.

Why else would someone throw a molotov cocktail at political activists? For fun?

I'm a little reluctant to take a Brietbart take on someone else's news story, so since Brietbart was kind enough to mention where the story came from, I went and checked it out.

Some important elements:

When officers interviewed Toney, she initially denied everything but later admitted to throwing the bottle and that it “might” have been smoldering when she threw it out of her window, according to an affidavit. The court document did not specify Toney’s motive and if she was specifically targeting the protestors or the abortion clinic.
...
Gardner said in her experience, people who retaliate are angry from an abortion in their past or have some sort of tie to it. But it is still unclear about Toney’s background.

Maybe I missed that ambiguity in the Brietbart article.

Other little bits, not as important:

After inspecting the bottle, arson investigators determined it was a Molotov cocktail that did not ignite due to the fact that it landed in a soft, grassy area, according to court documents. It states the bottle was a “gum out fuel additive” that had a burned piece of paper towel rolled up into a wick, which had been burned from being lit.

According to the executive director of Central Texas Coalition for Life, the group was able to record part of the suspect’s license plate number before she drove away, which led police to 52-year-old Melanie Toney. Toney was pulled over less than three miles away from the clinic.

The message from the Planned Parenthood clinic where this happened:

KXAN spoke with Planned Parenthood before police released any information about the woman accused of throwing the Molotov cocktail who agree that violence is not the answer.

“The health and safety of Planned Parenthood patients and employees is of our most concern. All individuals that are anywhere near or properties we want to remain safe, much like the core value of the city of Austin, we want this community to be safe,” said Ken Lambrecht, President and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas. He said they condemn violence of any sort. “We’re just thankful that all of our staff, visitors and those near our facilities are safe and healthy today.”

Predictably the only people outside of local stations carrying this are places like Brietbart and anti-abortion websites. So...that's pretty much it.

Regardless of why she threw it or who her intended victim was, it's obviously a messed up thing to do. Not sure what else there is to discuss.

[The Black Forrest]

That's horrible. Violence is not a good way to support a political cause. It just makes your cause look bad.

But NSG will probably defend it...

The thread is ten pages long...not only did your 'prediction' come in late, but you still got it wrong.

Hey now. Don't mess with his preconceptions.

[Shaggai]

What is there to discuss here? The morality of firebombs? There's already a thread for abortion.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

NSG didn't defend it, and it's unconfirmed that it was meant to support a political cause.

Why else would someone throw a molotov cocktail at political activists? For fun?

The motive has yet to be established by anyone qualified to figure out the motive.

[AiliailiA]

Abortion is murder. Wearing condom is murder. Using birth-pills is murder. Tolerating Islam is murder. Getting vaccinated is murder. Gay marriage is murder. Taxation is murder.

What isn't murder to you people?

Where are you getting your facts about pro-life activists? None of us believe that any of the last 4 are murder.

Only the last 4? Why not all of them? Or at least, all but abortion.

At least 40% of the US adult population are 'pro-life' according to polls. Around 10% of the adult population think birth control is morally wrong.

So at most a quarter of pro-lifers think birth control is morally wrong.

Are you telling me they think birth control is murder but it's not morally wrong?

[The Black Forrest]

What is there to discuss here? The morality of firebombs? There's already a thread for abortion.

You forgot to leave your logic at the door!

[AiliailiA]

Why else would someone throw a molotov cocktail at political activists? For fun?

The motive has yet to be established by anyone qualified to figure out the motive.

It may never be known. Melanie Maria Toney may be found mentally incompetent to plead. Or there may be a plea bargain.

We probably will get some clues even if she doesn't face a jury. At 52 years old she must have left some trace on the world before becoming Plastic Molotov Woman.

[Tahar Joblis]

Nazis want to kill people. Pro-life activists want to save people. See the difference?

Except they aren't people.....aaaaaaand most pro-lifers are huge war advocates.

It's very easy to make the mistake of thinking that because pro-life activists tend to vote Republican, they are necessarily party-line Republicans in every other way.

The political spectrum is complicated. One time, I knew a guy dating a girl from an extremely conservative religious community. Fundamentalist reactionary nutjobs. He was looking around at the job market and started looking at a military career. Her mother wrote an extremely scathing letter in response to this - because while they were conservative nutjobs, they found war (and the occupation of being a soldier) ... distasteful, to put it mildly.

The political spectrum is complicated. While the party that is anti-abortion is also the party that is generally hawkish, at present, that doesn't mean that the line pro-life activists are actually hawks. Some of them are, and this has led to a handful of incidents of domestic terrorism, including some of the more famous ones - Eric Rudolph should come to mind.

Most of the dedicated pro-life protesters are what we might call single issue voters. They don't care very much about other issues, compared to abortion.

I do think this is politically motivated violence, by the way. It's very hard to come up with an alternative motive for this particular act - incompetently executed or not.

[The Rich Port]

Except they aren't people.....aaaaaaand most pro-lifers are huge war advocates.

It's very easy to make the mistake of thinking that because pro-life activists tend to vote Republican, they are necessarily party-line Republicans in every other way.

The political spectrum is complicated. One time, I knew a guy dating a girl from an extremely conservative religious community. Fundamentalist reactionary nutjobs. He was looking around at the job market and started looking at a military career. Her mother wrote an extremely scathing letter in response to this - because while they were conservative nutjobs, they found war (and the occupation of being a soldier) ... distasteful, to put it mildly.

The political spectrum is complicated. While the party that is anti-abortion is also the party that is generally hawkish, at present, that doesn't mean that the line pro-life activists are actually hawks. Some of them are, and this has led to a handful of incidents of domestic terrorism, including some of the more famous ones - Eric Rudolph should come to mind.

Most of the dedicated pro-life protesters are what we might call single issue voters. They don't care very much about other issues, compared to abortion.

I do think this is politically motivated violence, by the way. It's very hard to come up with an alternative motive for this particular act - incompetently executed or not.

Indeed.

Here's a video about a debate between two liberal atheists, a pro-lifer and a pro-choicer.

[Imperium of Fenris]

Reading through this thread it's clear it's more than one person that don't respect the right to be pro-life...

I'm ashamed of some of my fellow pro-choicers in here. Disgusting.

We don't hate freedom.

We "hate" (disagree with) pro-lifers.

Who actually hate freedom.

That's a complete lie

[The Rich Port]

We don't hate freedom.

We "hate" (disagree with) pro-lifers.

Who actually hate freedom.

That's a complete lie

You're against women choosing abortion.

If that's not against freedom, I don't know what is.

[Draakonite]

That's a complete lie

You're against women choosing abortion.

If that's not against freedom, I don't know what is.

Having the right to life is a freedom. This whole prolifers wanting to limit freedom because of religion is a stereotype.
It's all a question about when does someone get human rights, or when can something be considered human. While im pretty neutral on the whole topic, i think that "at birth" is pretty arbitrary.

[The Rich Port]

You're against women choosing abortion.

If that's not against freedom, I don't know what is.

Having the right to life is a freedom. This whole prolifers wanting to limit freedom because of religion is a stereotype.
It's all a question about when does someone get human rights, or when can something be considered human. While im pretty neutral on the whole topic, i think that "at birth" is pretty arbitrary.

No it isn't. If that were the case, we couldn't kill bacteria or cows or serial killers. Also, I never said it was because of religion.

And "at conception" or "in the womb" isn't arbitrary?

[Ifreann]

NSG didn't defend it, and it's unconfirmed that it was meant to support a political cause.

Why else would someone throw a molotov cocktail at political activists? For fun?

Quite possibly, yes. Some people do like to burn things for fun. Though, I'd expect most of them to be able to actually make a Molotov cocktail.

[Draakonite]

Having the right to life is a freedom. This whole prolifers wanting to limit freedom because of religion is a stereotype.
It's all a question about when does someone get human rights, or when can something be considered human. While im pretty neutral on the whole topic, i think that "at birth" is pretty arbitrary.

No it isn't. If that were the case, we couldn't kill bacteria or cows or serial killers. Also, I never said it was because of religion.

And "at conception" or "in the womb" isn't arbitrary?

Because a right exist, doesn't mean that we "can't" inhibit it. We are successfully inhibiting the right to bodily integrity, at least in some nations.

It's arbitrary, also. When is a house a house? When the plot is purchased, the fundament laid, or you are given the keys? It's somewhere in between.