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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:29 pm

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That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!

Fundamentalists like you make reasonable Christians look bad.

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This, in the traditional sense Ron Paul is as Conservative as it gets. Rand Paul is basically just a modern Conservative with some very weak Libertarian leanings, and Ron Paul is a deep traditionalist Paleocon.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:32 pm

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That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preachesfuck up! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing wrong. Only the Tea PartyRepublicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral better Government!


"Moral"
"Christian"
"Broken"
"Practice what he preaches"
"Right"

These are hardly accurate words, so I've taken the liberty of editing your post more properly. Jesus, at least try to sound Republican.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:32 pm

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That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!

So rather than uphold your principles, you'll sign up for the death panels?

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:32 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Can Cruz even run since he's not a 'natural-born citizen'?

I DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! I BET HE IS ACTUALLY A COMMIE FROM CUBA WITH A FAKE CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! *nods*

(Seriously though, if the GOP and Fox News rally around Ted Cruz, it'll be extremely hypocritical since they spent years going on and on about how Obama should be impeached because he is actually a Muslim from Kenya.)

The GOP is the living embodiment of hypocrisy. Hell, you may as well use the word "Republican" as a synonym for hypocrisy.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:45 pm

Kind of glad to see some establishment Republicans (who I by no means am amiable toward) smacking down this little upstart; because they're right; he hasn't shown himself to be fit to be President, and he has been using (as Rep. King pointed out) oversimplification and exaggeration to mislead voters (for an example of this, the third video cued in that CNN playlist ("Who is Ted Cruz?") has him saying that he will abolish the IRS and put "All 125,000 [sic] IRS agents on the Southern border").

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/23/politics/ ... index.html

GOP Rep. Peter King dismisses Ted Cruz as 'carnival barker'


Washington (CNN)Rep. Peter King called Sen. Ted Cruz a "big mouth" who "basically led the Republican Party over the cliff" and dismissed Sen. Rand Paul as an "isolationist" on Monday as he said their party should ignore those two candidates for its 2016 presidential nomination.

King's sharpest comments were directed at Cruz.

"To me, he's a guy with a big mouth and no results," the New York Republican told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in an interview on "The Situation Room."

"We have very, very complex issues facing the country today, and he goes out of his way to oversimplify," King said of Cruz. "Ted Cruz may be an intelligent person, but he doesn't carry out an intelligent debate. He oversimplifies, he exaggerates ... he doesn't provide leadership and he has no real experience."

King, who is considering his own campaign for the White House, also took aim at another freshman senator who's likely to enter the 2016 race -- Kentucky's Rand Paul.

He said Paul is a "nice guy" but far too much of an "isolationist" for his liking.

"His views would basically remove the U.S. from having a real role to play in the world, and his mindset -- when you look at things he's said over the years, in effect blaming the United States for problems around the world, somehow that it's our fault," King said. "To me that's a bad mindset for the commander-in-chief of the United States to be going into office with."

He said there are several Republican presidential candidates he could support. Among them, King said, are former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

"We have a lot of talent out there," he said. "I just don't see Ted Cruz and Rand Paul being part of that talent pool."

King's doing little to hide his frustrations with freshman senators who are courting the GOP's most conservative and libertarian factions.

Earlier Monday, King had issued a written statement criticizing Cruz's announcement that he was running in 2016 and said the Texas Republican isn't qualified to serve as president.

"Shutting down the federal government and reading Dr. Seuss on the Senate floor are the marks of a carnival barker not the leader of the free world," King said in a written statement on Monday.


King's statement references a Cruz speech on the Senate floor that last more than 20 hours, railing against Obamacare in 2013.

King has been a vocal Cruz critic since the government shutdown that fall, blaming him for the standoff and calling him a "fraud."

Cruz and other conservatives pressed House Republican leaders to push a strategy to defund Obamacare as part of the annual legislation to fund federal agencies. The fight over the issue triggered a closure of the government for more than two weeks. House GOP leaders ultimately relented and passed a spending bill without the health care provision, and later acknowledged the strategy damaged their standing in public opinion polls.

King, a senior member of both the Homeland Security and Intelligence committees, has traveled to some early primary states and said he's mulling a potential 2016 bid because he believes the Republican party needs to nominate someone who will press a strong national security agenda.

Another potential GOP presidential contender took aim at Cruz on Monday. South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, speaking to the Council on Foreign Relations, scoffed when asked how a President Cruz would handle a nuclear crisis.

"Ted with nukes, Ted with nukes, let's see ..." he joked, drawing laughter from the crowd. "I dunno what Ted would do, but he should come up here and answer these questions, don't you think?"


Graham is openly contemplating a presidential bid and has also been trying to establish himself as the national security candidate in the soon-to-be crowded field.
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Postby Melkor Unchained » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:46 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:Can Cruz even run since he's not a 'natural-born citizen'?

I DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! I BET HE IS ACTUALLY A COMMIE FROM CUBA WITH A FAKE CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! *nods*

(Seriously though, if the GOP and Fox News rally around Ted Cruz, it'll be extremely hypocritical since they spent years going on and on about how Obama should be impeached because he is actually a Muslim from Kenya.)

The GOP is the living embodiment of hypocrisy. Hell, you may as well use the word "Republican" as a synonym for hypocrisy.


Let's be fair here: Obama ran in 2008 on a campaign that included--arguably even highlighted--a willingness to reverse Bush-era civil rights abuses. He did no such thing, and arguably actually made them worse. All references to ending warrantless wiretapping, challenging torture, etc. were quietly removed from his 2012 platform. Hypocrisy is hardly the sole province of the GOP.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:53 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Tbh, I think Ted Cruz and the Tea Party may be even worse than someone like, say, Marine Le Pen.

Are you fucking kidding me? Knee-jerk conservatism trumps fascism any day. You're being hyperbolic.

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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:56 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Ted Cruz would be the most conservative nominee in GOP history. And Chris Christie would be the most liberal, followed by Jeb Bush. Heh.

That's according to one study - meaning, one opinion. It all comes down to how you define conservative. I don't think Chris Christie is more liberal than Nixon. Tricky Dick was almost as left-wing as Bernie Sanders. Christie has at least shown some commitment towards tax reduction and budget restraint, which cannot be said about the Hoover/Ike/Nixon/Ford breed of Republican.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:01 pm

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:Ted Cruz would be the most conservative nominee in GOP history. And Chris Christie would be the most liberal, followed by Jeb Bush. Heh.

That's according to one study - meaning, one opinion. It all comes down to how you define conservative. I don't think Chris Christie is more liberal than Nixon. Tricky Dick was almost as left-wing as Bernie Sanders. Christie has at least shown some commitment towards tax reduction and budget restraint, which cannot be said about the Hoover/Ike/Nixon/Ford breed of Republican.

Oh god what!? You can't be serious. :rofl:

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:04 pm

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Atlanticatia wrote:Tbh, I think Ted Cruz and the Tea Party may be even worse than someone like, say, Marine Le Pen.

Are you fucking kidding me? Knee-jerk conservatism trumps fascism any day. You're being hyperbolic.

The Tea Party isn't conservative, they're as reactionary as any fascist.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:07 pm

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Ashmoria wrote:his mother is an American citizen. that is all it takes.


So was Obama's mother and he was born in a U.S state.

And no, I won't "forget and forgive" letting the right question Obama's eligibility. I recognize Ted Cruz most likely can run for President, but since I am a little shit, I have some questions for the right. Why does Mr. Cruz get a free pass on the "tough questions"? Why is that? and I want conservatives to answer this, not liberals answering for them. Where in the fuck is Trump? Where in the fuck is Orly Tatiz. And if the other republican candidates don't harp on this issue, I am going to fucking flip shit. No, this double standard should not be fucking ignored.
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Edit: I want to see formal and legal documentation that Mr. Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship and recognition from the Canadian government that took place. Why? Because conservatives got what they want with Obama's birth certificate and now I ask the same for Mr. Cruz. That is fucking fair, conservatives.

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Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:Are you fucking kidding me? Knee-jerk conservatism trumps fascism any day. You're being hyperbolic.

The Tea Party isn't conservative, they're as reactionary as any fascist.


This essay ought to be required reading in High School. Here's the pertinent bit:

"The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way."

Who are you referring to with the term "fascist?" The average assumption is probably along the lines of the NSDAP or Mussolini's Italy, but comparing the Tea Party to either institution is (if we're being honest with ourselves here) a bit of a stretch. There is very little in common, policy-wise, between the Tea Party platform and the NSDAP's 25 Points. Do you believe that a Tea Party president would find a way to assume dictatorial control of the state, and use its resources to murder its own citizens by the million? Or does "fascist" mean something else here?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:45 pm

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Atlanticatia wrote:Ted Cruz would be the most conservative nominee in GOP history. And Chris Christie would be the most liberal, followed by Jeb Bush. Heh.

That's according to one study - meaning, one opinion. It all comes down to how you define conservative. I don't think Chris Christie is more liberal than Nixon. Tricky Dick was almost as left-wing as Bernie Sanders. Christie has at least shown some commitment towards tax reduction and budget restraint, which cannot be said about the Hoover/Ike/Nixon/Ford breed of Republican.

Nixon was personally nowhere close to liberal.
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Hallo Island wrote:A+ for Government Shutdown

F for being a Jesus Freak


So the shutdown was a good thing?

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Hallo Island wrote:A+ for Government Shutdown

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So the shutdown was a good thing?

Great nation, first of all.

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So the shutdown was a good thing?

Great nation, first of all.

but yes.


Enlighten me on how a shutdown of government services like the Post office and things like it are good?

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Postby Othelos » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:02 pm

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That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!

haha. ha.

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That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!

Fundamentalists like you make reasonable Christians look bad.


So does the extreme liberal side.
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Hallo Island wrote:Great nation, first of all.

but yes.


Enlighten me on how a shutdown of government services like the Post office and things like it are good?

Well for starters the US postal service has a forced monopoly on mail, which is actually the one thing in my life that makes me furious.
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Postby Cosumar » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:08 pm

Ashamed to admit that Ted Cruz is a friend of my family. Somewhat. He and my mother grew up in the same church and high school. She says he was an obnoxious nerd back in the day. (As if he's not still obnoxious)

All of my extended family are going to vote for this guy because of the connection, and also because they like his "strong Christian conservative values".

Sigh.
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Postby The Soviet League » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:11 pm

Cosumar wrote:Ashamed to admit that Ted Cruz is a friend of my family. Somewhat. He and my mother grew up in the same church and high school. She says he was an obnoxious nerd back in the day. (As if he's not still obnoxious)

All of my extended family are going to vote for this guy because of the connection, and also because they like his "strong Christian conservative values".

Sigh.


I do not see any wrong, but meh.
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